Sorry back I back the FA on this and hope our fans don't charge on to the pitch.
I doubt many of you have any been in the situation of the players but sometime serious injuries can occur. If you have five grown men jumping up and down on you, you are likely to buckle under the strain. I have seen some of the injuries fans can cause in the over-exuberance. Do you really want the injury of a player on your consicence?
There is also the other problem of how long it takes to get you off the pitch again. If everyone agreed to rush on and off in five minutes to allow everyone else to see it would be fine but given that people don't give any consideration to the people sat near them I think it is very unlikely this would happen. They are more likely to end in fights as anything.
And thirdly, what about the pitch. Not so much of a problem on the last day but cut up pitches have caused up problems in recent games and I imagine we have left Carlise grounds people with a lovely problem to have to deal with.
So please think of the club, think of the other fans and think of the players and don't invade the pitch.
Hartlepool couldn't care less, not our rivals, nothing to play for.
But think back to the game where Fortune sent Palace down at the Valley, it would quickly have got ugly if Charlton fans had invaded the pitch after the game. Or if they had equalised, and their fans invaded the pitch. There have got to be some rules about this (even if they aren't always inforced. Fencing was brought in because of pitch invasions, and that led to Hillsborough.
Fencing was brought in to stop 8 year olds to 60 year olds running on the pitch to celebrate their teams being promoted? Or was it to stop hooligans attacking eachother?
& fences led to Hillborough? Or did the late arrival of supporters & incompetence of the police & officials lead to 96 people losing their lives?
Compared to the last pitch invasion I saw which was ironically our last away game in the Championship at Derby... That was nothing. There were relatively few of us and it was an emotional reach out towards the players, who were happy to oblige. Derby that day had thousands on the pitch, many of whom headed straight for us to throw taunts. They'd also achieved nothing. .
Was anyone planning to go on the pitch for Hartlepool? Saturday was a completely different scenario - the euphoria has calmed and now we can celebrate with the team collecting the trophy.
I dont think we need to worry. So glad I bought tickets pitchside.
This really is a joke, the fans that go home & away all season, we are getting a trophy for winning the league after 46 games, fans spend thousands of pounds following there team across the country and the last game they want to celebrate on the pitch with there team and aren't allowed? Seriously pathetic, this has happened for years now on a much larger scale than what would probably happen at The Valley. Massive shame on the FA
This really is a joke, the fans that go home & away all season, we are getting a trophy for winning the league after 46 games, fans spend thousands of pounds following there team across the country and the last game they want to celebrate on the pitch with there team and aren't allowed? Seriously pathetic, this has happened for years now on a much larger scale than what would probably happen at The Valley. Massive shame on the FA
I'm not sure if we've actually won the league yet. Wait for confirmation of this before invading the pitch.
Taking action would also be basically ripping the heart out of our away support. There were a lot of old and familiar faces on there, even Mr Do-The-Worm himself.
Carlisle's also got to be one of the easiest places around to get on the pitch as well, with that open, leveled off area in the corner and only one short barrier.
Am I being pedantic, but aren't our League 1 matches regulated by the Football League rather than the Football Association- who deal with the Premiership and their Cup competition? That said, this situation seems to be endemic of the plonkers who 'run' the admin side of the game.
i used to work at Leeds United and they threatened them with the same thing, but there was the inevitable invasion and nothing ever come about it
I seem to remember (possibly back in the early 80's?) playing at Elland Road on the last day of the season when they also decided to invade the pitch. Then they suddenly turned their attention to the away supporters.....never has an away "end" emptied so quickly.
I was sat in the West Stand with my Uncle, who had a ST, so I was able to view it all in safety :-)
2 extremes there. 1 was during the game & included in the refs report. The other saw 1,000 Brummies taunting & goading 3,800 villa, flare thrown, seats ripped out & general mayhem.
Not quite the same as a few thousand anoraks jogging on the pitch after the team have been presented with the trophy and the ref is already changed and left the ground.
Re the Blues - Villa incident, surely you can see the difference between the two events? One was mayhem, seats ripped out, flares thrown two and throw, goading of each other, thousands probably on the pitch. Not 100 Charlton fans hugging a few players!
First of all, I'm amazed some are naive enough to actually believe the FA when they say that there will be no presentation if some fans run on the pitch. Absolute rubbish. Once all the fans have been cleared back to the stands, they would then get the players out to do the presentation. It happens at practically EVERY end of season celebration when a team goes up.
To be honest, I don't expect many at The Valley are into running on the pitch anyway.
Re the Blues - Villa incident, surely you can see the difference between the two events? One was mayhem, seats ripped out, flares thrown two and throw, goading of each other, thousands probably on the pitch. Not 100 Charlton fans hugging a few players!
I wasn't making any comparison. Of course they are totally different in scale and nature.
I was looking to see if there was anything about other clubs being fined or not for pitch invasions and those were two I found.
So other clubs do get fined albeit for far worse cases. What I couldn't find were fines for cases similar to ours at Carlisle (although that doesn't mean that they don't exist, only that I couldn't find them).
for me this is like the standing debate. Law states you should sit, so sit. Law says no encroaching on the pitch, so don't encroach on the pitch. Simples.
My take on this is: Rather than turn this into a "we hate the FA" debate, I don't want to see the club receive a fine, I want to see the team lift the trophy, I'll be up in the north-upper and I am getting too old to be sliding around on a slippy pitch in my hush puppies.
So for those reasons, I for one won't be encroaching onto the pitch..........................................
Sorry back I back the FA on this and hope our fans don't charge on to the pitch.
I doubt many of you have any been in the situation of the players but sometime serious injuries can occur. If you have five grown men jumping up and down on you, you are likely to buckle under the strain. I have seen some of the injuries fans can cause in the over-exuberance. Do you really want the injury of a player on your consicence?
There is also the other problem of how long it takes to get you off the pitch again. If everyone agreed to rush on and off in five minutes to allow everyone else to see it would be fine but given that people don't give any consideration to the people sat near them I think it is very unlikely this would happen. They are more likely to end in fights as anything.
And thirdly, what about the pitch. Not so much of a problem on the last day but cut up pitches have caused up problems in recent games and I imagine we have left Carlise grounds people with a lovely problem to have to deal with.
So please think of the club, think of the other fans and think of the players and don't invade the pitch.
Excellent post. We all know that invading the pitch is not allowed so why the surprise when the FA takes action. I presume that most of those on here who think it is okay, are too young to remember Hillsborough. Running on the pitch was prevalent in the 70's and 80's and to prevent this, it was necessary to erect fences around pitches. When too many people were let into the pens at Hillsborough, they had nowhere to go as they were fenced in and 96 people died as a result. Fences were subsequently removed and the vast majority of people respected the fact that they should not invade the pitch. It is only in recent years that people seem to have forgotten Hillsborough and think they have the right to do what they want. They don't - please have a bit of thought for other people.
After the last match I enjoy seeing the players and families parading around the pitch. If those that think they can run on the pitch actually do that, they will spoil the party for the vast majority who are law abiding.
the title will have been won by the time we have left Preston.
the last day will be more of a day in the sun atmosphere.
Even if it did come down to the last day, the east and west stands dont even stand up, let alone 'run' onto the pitch. North Lower is a mix of supporters and its not exactly pitch level anyway. Most of the people the would run on are up in the NU so almost impossible to get down onto the pitch anyway.
Nothing to worry about and the players can lift the trophy on the pitch.
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I doubt many of you have any been in the situation of the players but sometime serious injuries can occur. If you have five grown men jumping up and down on you, you are likely to buckle under the strain. I have seen some of the injuries fans can cause in the over-exuberance. Do you really want the injury of a player on your consicence?
There is also the other problem of how long it takes to get you off the pitch again. If everyone agreed to rush on and off in five minutes to allow everyone else to see it would be fine but given that people don't give any consideration to the people sat near them I think it is very unlikely this would happen. They are more likely to end in fights as anything.
And thirdly, what about the pitch. Not so much of a problem on the last day but cut up pitches have caused up problems in recent games and I imagine we have left Carlise grounds people with a lovely problem to have to deal with.
So please think of the club, think of the other fans and think of the players and don't invade the pitch.
& fences led to Hillborough? Or did the late arrival of supporters & incompetence of the police & officials lead to 96 people losing their lives?
From this article it seems that Southampton were "investigated"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1371207/Birmingham-fined-20-000-pitch-invasion-Aston-Villa.html
although here Birmingham were fined £20k
I dont think we need to worry. So glad I bought tickets pitchside.
There fify.
Carlisle's also got to be one of the easiest places around to get on the pitch as well, with that open, leveled off area in the corner and only one short barrier.
IS THIS OK?
I was sat in the West Stand with my Uncle, who had a ST, so I was able to view it all in safety :-)
Not quite the same as a few thousand anoraks jogging on the pitch after the team have been presented with the trophy and the ref is already changed and left the ground.
I thought it was a 'bring your own' establishment?
Re the Blues - Villa incident, surely you can see the difference between the two events? One was mayhem, seats ripped out, flares thrown two and throw, goading of each other, thousands probably on the pitch. Not 100 Charlton fans hugging a few players!
To be honest, I don't expect many at The Valley are into running on the pitch anyway.
I was looking to see if there was anything about other clubs being fined or not for pitch invasions and those were two I found.
So other clubs do get fined albeit for far worse cases. What I couldn't find were fines for cases similar to ours at Carlisle (although that doesn't mean that they don't exist, only that I couldn't find them).
So for those reasons, I for one won't be encroaching onto the pitch..........................................
After the last match I enjoy seeing the players and families parading around the pitch. If those that think they can run on the pitch actually do that, they will spoil the party for the vast majority who are law abiding.
PLEASE DO NOT INVADE THE PITCH!!!!
the last day will be more of a day in the sun atmosphere.
Even if it did come down to the last day, the east and west stands dont even stand up, let alone 'run' onto the pitch. North Lower is a mix of supporters and its not exactly pitch level anyway. Most of the people the would run on are up in the NU so almost impossible to get down onto the pitch anyway.
Nothing to worry about and the players can lift the trophy on the pitch.