The undersoil thing is an expensive luxury for clubs below the Championship, you don't just turn it on the night before, you need it running for a few days, I think I read that it's about £25,000 to run it for 3 or 4 days, plus the £350k install costs.
Decent covers is probably the better options, or 4G artificial surfaces, which if you look at the return on investment, would probably be better. the clubs in Ireland and Scotland who have them, can charge £100 an hour to hire the pitch during the week, and use it as it's training ground, again saving money
the 1st payment to any team gaining promotion to the premier league should be made to be spent on undersoil heating. if they'd done this from it's inception, then half the league would have it.
I look forward to the Championship then when games get abandoned after 38 minutes. You can't tell me that you wouldn't be any less annoyed?
I'm not interested in other teams in L1 - just Charlton. I am not annoyed by abandonments or postponements - this is about the release of information.
I was at the Orient game in 1978 that was abandoned at HT due to waterlogging from the nonstop rain. Delighted, as it gave us a chance to avoid relegation when it was rearranged as the final game of the season.
what are your thoughts on us postponing the rochdale match after 9 oclock when their coaches left at 8?
My point is only about communicating the situation (not scheduled timings). The fact remains that it was 10:03 before there was any information released to the public. As I said in my post above - the ref could have deferred to a later inspection if not sure of the pitch status and away fans could make a decision to travel or not. But if you don't know what time the inspection is taking place, then it makes it unnecessarily harder for the paying public.
Chesterfield are a tin pot outfit who thought everybody was only coming from round the corner. The ref that looked on Friday should have been there at 9am and made a decision - or deferred to a 2nd inspection later.
We were the only match on the newswires with "morning inspection" instead of an approximate time.
I didn't travel, because 10:30 was my leave home time - but I know plenty who were on the 9:55 who could have waited at St Pancras and got the 10:55 if the match had passed a 10am inspection.
Seeing as nobody knew when the inspection was planned for, people had to make a decision to set off at their planned time and hope for the best.
This is the sort of piss poor organisation that you get in L1, so thank goodness we look like leaving it in the dark ages where it belongs. I know what happened at Ipswich v Boro - but an abandonment is different to a postponement. matches get abandoned through player injury and stadium safety issues, so they can happen anytime without obvious warning.
Someone said early in this thread "leave them alone, they are doing their best to get the match on"
When in fact, nobody from the vast Chesterfield Communications Dept was even out of bed at 9:30.
Communication was sadly lacking agreed. My question is this, when clubs build new grounds why is not compulsory to have undersoil heating installed?
The undersoil thing is an expensive luxury for clubs below the Championship, you don't just turn it on the night before, you need it running for a few days, I think I read that it's about £25,000 to run it for 3 or 4 days, plus the £350k install costs.
Decent covers is probably the better options, or 4G artificial surfaces
Everything comes down to money of course, however with the attendance for the rearranged game probably down on yesterdays that 25K would be well spent. The installation costs I think could be taken into account when building the stadium
I look forward to the Championship then when games get abandoned after 38 minutes. You can't tell me that you wouldn't be any less annoyed?
I'm not interested in other teams in L1 - just Charlton. I am not annoyed by abandonments or postponements - this is about the release of information.
your lack of patience then?
I dunno how people coped before the internet. News is soooo immediate these days, anything that takes more than 3 seconds to reach us after it happens is too long.
the fact remains, that if Chesterfield had said that the inspection was going to be at 9, 10 or 11.30am on saturday morning (assuming they knew when the ref was turning up) whatever the outcome, people would have been disappointed. It would have made hardly any difference to the fact that people were leaving their homes at various times. if they'd have done it before the official coaches were due to leave, the club may still have had to pay for the coaches as the coach company would have a loss of earnings anyway.
I look forward to the Championship then when games get abandoned after 38 minutes. You can't tell me that you wouldn't be any less annoyed?
I'm not interested in other teams in L1 - just Charlton. I am not annoyed by abandonments or postponements - this is about the release of information.
your lack of patience then?
I dunno how people coped before the internet. News is soooo immediate these days, anything that takes more than 3 seconds to reach us after it happens is too long.
the fact remains, that if Chesterfield had said that the inspection was going to be at 9, 10 or 11.30am on saturday morning (assuming they knew when the ref was turning up) whatever the outcome, people would have been disappointed. It would have made hardly any difference to the fact that people were leaving their homes at various times. if they'd have done it before the official coaches were due to leave, the club may still have had to pay for the coaches as the coach company would have a loss of earnings anyway.
We do have the internet now though so there's no excuse... Just cos people 25 years ago couldn't be so easily informed why should that make it acceptable now? Everybody didn't have mobile phones 25 years ago, but if you were delayed and couldn't make a meeting or job interview nowadays would it be acceptable to say "oh sorry I didn't let you know, 25 years ago people wouldn't have been able to have let you know, deal with it".
Nobody was asking for a personalised text message - there is just absolutely no reason why the club couldn't formally confirm a time for the pitch inspection in the morning (like every single other club), and make sure it was earlier (8:30 / 9:00pm). And I don't see how this would have made "hardly any difference" to do it earlier - hundreds on trains between 9 and 10:15 who travelled miles couldve been prevented.
Plus, personally, whilst I thought the game would definitely be off on Friday, the fact that it was announced as still on and there was just a "further morning inspection" as opposed to a formalised "we will be there at 9:00am and are anticipating the worst due to the weather requirements" made it seem to me like they were pretty confident it would be on but would just be undertaking a formality inspection in the morning.
It didn't actually inconvenience me greatly but I know of many people who it did inconvenience in terms of time and wasting 20 / 30 quid on pointless train fares etc. Just needless. Don't see that it is harsh or unreasonable to criticise that.
i still don't think letting people know whatever time they may or may not have decided to arrange an inspection would have helped people. some people yes, as they wouldn't have gone very far, but what about the people that set off in cars at 8? or those that went up the day before? whatever time it was called off, it was going to inconvenience people and making an announcement about what time they were going to announce what time they were going to decide if it was on or not was not going to make that much difference either.
I'm £120 down at the mo as i bought the train tickets for 3 of us, and feel a bit crap asking those people for the money for the tickets now considering we didn't even get on the train.
I agree it is frustrating that it was called off after the word came out on friday that it was likely to go ahead even though there were murmurs of doubt. my morning was more than chaotic organising other things before i was due to depart for chesterfield, but there was nothing knowing any earlier would have done to help me personally.
what i really disagree with in your post is your labelling of chesterfield as tinpot and this tinpot league. we've been here for 3 years. we're not out of this league yet, so by that definition we are tin pot ourselves and until we get out of this league, we are a div 3 team.
what i really disagree with in your post is your labelling of chesterfield as tinpot and this tinpot league. we've been here for 3 years. we're not out of this league yet, so by that definition we are tin pot ourselves and until we get out of this league, we are a div 3 team.
This is the Chesterfield who, despite record low temperatures (forecast to be minus 10), did not think about scheduling an inspection.(according to Airman)
That is tin pot.
I said that this was "piss poor organisation typical of league One"
When Man City came into this tin pot league a few years back - it did not make them a tin pot club.
The same is true for our beloved CAFC - a jewel in the mire of tier 3.
Imagine if it turned out not to be as cold overnight as the forecasts? Not an impossible occurance and then people would be moaning that the game was called off to early. My view is that it is ridiculous that train companies can't be more flexible and allow refunds when it is clear you booked the ticket for a postponed match. What it means is that in the future less people will go by train!
i still don't think letting people know whatever time they may or may not have decided to arrange an inspection would have helped people.
dear oh dear.
argh - not dear oh dear. people still lost out. people either left to get trains, had travelled already or decided not to go. if you had a train booked and were told that the inspection was scheduled for 10am, it wouldn't have made any difference as you would have had to decide to get the train or not if it was before or after. That is my point.
anyway, as it turns out, they apparently didn't have one scheduled, which is why we didn't know about it.
there is piss pot organisation going on in the premier league. it isn't exclusive. its just one of those things.
man city were in this league and they were there because they were not good enough to be anywhere else. they got out of it, and now they're mixing it up with the big boys. they had horrific egos when we went up as champions and they went up the same year because they 'didn't deserve to be in the lower leagues' and we called them 'massives' and promptly spanked them on the opening day of the season. some of our fans need to get the chip off their shoulders.
Imagine if it turned out not to be as cold overnight as the forecasts? Not an impossible occurance and then people would be moaning that the game was called off to early. My view is that it is ridiculous that train companies can't be more flexible and allow refunds when it is clear you booked the ticket for a postponed match. What it means is that in the future less people will go by train!
exactly. yup, not getting trains could lead to blocking up the roads, causing chaos and outrage because games aren't delayed for 15 minutes due to traffic delays for those people that didn't set off on time! honestly, people could go on and on with the moaning about how unfair life is for them.
Wouldn't have helped me. I'd already paid for train tickets so was spending that money regardless of whether there was a pitch inspection at 9am or 2pm or if it went ahead.
Wouldn't have helped me. I'd already paid for train tickets so was spending that money regardless of whether there was a pitch inspection at 9am or 2pm or if it went ahead.
Straight choice on advance purchase tickets, the money was already spent, the game was off. Have a day out regardless and enjoy yourself or cut your losses and not travel.
Suzi to think "whatever time they may or may not have decided to arrange an inspection would have helped people" is deluded.
to only quote half a sentence out of the context and the explanation it was sat between is incredibly irritating. nothing deluded about what i have written.
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Decent covers is probably the better options, or 4G artificial surfaces, which if you look at the return on investment, would probably be better. the clubs in Ireland and Scotland who have them, can charge £100 an hour to hire the pitch during the week, and use it as it's training ground, again saving money
if they'd done this from it's inception, then half the league would have it.
I'm not interested in other teams in L1 - just Charlton. I am not annoyed by abandonments or postponements - this is about the release of information.
I was at the Orient game in 1978 that was abandoned at HT due to waterlogging from the nonstop rain. Delighted, as it gave us a chance to avoid relegation when it was rearranged as the final game of the season.
what are your thoughts on us postponing the rochdale match after 9 oclock when their coaches left at 8?
My point is only about communicating the situation (not scheduled timings).
The fact remains that it was 10:03 before there was any information released to the public. As I said in my post above - the ref could have deferred to a later inspection if not sure of the pitch status and away fans could make a decision to travel or not. But if you don't know what time the inspection is taking place, then it makes it unnecessarily harder for the paying public.
lucky you aren't an irish rugby fan!
But, I am.
I dunno how people coped before the internet. News is soooo immediate these days, anything that takes more than 3 seconds to reach us after it happens is too long.
the fact remains, that if Chesterfield had said that the inspection was going to be at 9, 10 or 11.30am on saturday morning (assuming they knew when the ref was turning up) whatever the outcome, people would have been disappointed. It would have made hardly any difference to the fact that people were leaving their homes at various times. if they'd have done it before the official coaches were due to leave, the club may still have had to pay for the coaches as the coach company would have a loss of earnings anyway.
Nobody was asking for a personalised text message - there is just absolutely no reason why the club couldn't formally confirm a time for the pitch inspection in the morning (like every single other club), and make sure it was earlier (8:30 / 9:00pm). And I don't see how this would have made "hardly any difference" to do it earlier - hundreds on trains between 9 and 10:15 who travelled miles couldve been prevented.
Plus, personally, whilst I thought the game would definitely be off on Friday, the fact that it was announced as still on and there was just a "further morning inspection" as opposed to a formalised "we will be there at 9:00am and are anticipating the worst due to the weather requirements" made it seem to me like they were pretty confident it would be on but would just be undertaking a formality inspection in the morning.
It didn't actually inconvenience me greatly but I know of many people who it did inconvenience in terms of time and wasting 20 / 30 quid on pointless train fares etc. Just needless. Don't see that it is harsh or unreasonable to criticise that.
I'm £120 down at the mo as i bought the train tickets for 3 of us, and feel a bit crap asking those people for the money for the tickets now considering we didn't even get on the train.
I agree it is frustrating that it was called off after the word came out on friday that it was likely to go ahead even though there were murmurs of doubt. my morning was more than chaotic organising other things before i was due to depart for chesterfield, but there was nothing knowing any earlier would have done to help me personally.
what i really disagree with in your post is your labelling of chesterfield as tinpot and this tinpot league. we've been here for 3 years. we're not out of this league yet, so by that definition we are tin pot ourselves and until we get out of this league, we are a div 3 team.
This is the Chesterfield who, despite record low temperatures (forecast to be minus 10), did not think about scheduling an inspection.(according to Airman)
That is tin pot.
I said that this was "piss poor organisation typical of league One"
When Man City came into this tin pot league a few years back - it did not make them a tin pot club.
The same is true for our beloved CAFC - a jewel in the mire of tier 3.
anyway, as it turns out, they apparently didn't have one scheduled, which is why we didn't know about it.
there is piss pot organisation going on in the premier league. it isn't exclusive. its just one of those things.
man city were in this league and they were there because they were not good enough to be anywhere else. they got out of it, and now they're mixing it up with the big boys. they had horrific egos when we went up as champions and they went up the same year because they 'didn't deserve to be in the lower leagues' and we called them 'massives' and promptly spanked them on the opening day of the season. some of our fans need to get the chip off their shoulders.
yup, not getting trains could lead to blocking up the roads, causing chaos and outrage because games aren't delayed for 15 minutes due to traffic delays for those people that didn't set off on time! honestly, people could go on and on with the moaning about how unfair life is for them.
Glad I went though, had paid my train money so made the day as enjoyable as possible anyway.
i reckon a woman was involved
Charlton Wycombe Brum fans yesterday