I was once thrown down a flight of stairs by a bouncer who turned out to be gay* - my face then ground onto the cobbled streets of Nottingham. I was mocked by a couple friends who no doubt harbor the same attitudes towards the gay community as JaShea (maybe harsh - more attitudes towards their strength/"hardness"???)...that was until they quite literally stepped out of line at the bar. I'm 6'4, 22, and have boxed for almost 6 years, I know many gay guys from my modelling years, the majority are not to be messed with, and do not fit your aforementioned description!
*not completely unjustified as I was all over the place that night.
Don't get the boxing reference. Throwing someone down the stairs is hardly in the Queesbury Rules is it? Makes me laugh when people say....Don't mess with him he's a black belt in blah, blah, blah....
What's that matter when you kick him in the nuts, hit him over the head with an iron bar and then stab him?
Don't get the boxing reference. Throwing someone down the stairs is hardly in the Queesbury Rules is it? Makes me laugh when people say....Don't mess with him he's a black belt in blah, blah, blah....
What's that matter when you kick him in the nuts, hit him over the head with an iron bar and then stab him?
This has got so off topic I'm not sure I should even comment about Hughes.
However, I haven't met him so can't comment personally, but I find it difficult to believe that many on here know him personally, so to be so confident in suggestions that he is this, and he is that!
He went out and got drunk and in a drunken state he made a couple of bad judgements. The results were horrendous, of course they were, but I suspect that they were not premeditated. I'm not condoning his actions in any way, but causing an accident while drunk and 'running away' is not comparable to setting out to take someone's life and proceeding to do so.
We have a thread on here with 343 comments about events that have occurred while being drunk, I've never read it personally, but I'm sure it isn't full of comments like "Got drunk, went home and had a long sleep".
His actions as a footballer, on the pitch are, in my view, irrelevant to the crime he has been found guilty of and punished for. I hate players that wind up our crowd, but I don't attribute it to their personal life, and what can we, really, expect when we call a players a murderer and he scores against us? I don't think it's realistic to expect him to not celebrate any goals for the rest of his life, in the same way that the rest of us celebrate our successes at work, even though we might have done something that we are ashamed of in the past. He didn't do a little dance at the funeral of the chap that was killed in the accident. We really need to accept that he is allowed to get on with his life, or do we, literally, execute everyone that commits a serious crime?
If he has committed a sexual assault, and I've lost count of the number of times a girl appears in the papers making such claims against footballers that are never proved to be true, then he should face justice, which I expect he will if it comes to it. However those that have decided to use this allegation to proclaim how terrible a man he is are probably prejudiced, and this is why so many are reminding you that one is innocent until proven guilty.
Never mind about that. You've missed the but where Wakefield's 'fessed up to doing some modelling. Assuming you're not talking about Airfix what on earth are you doing on here?
This is the site for pug ugly, overweight, past-it-but-refuse-to-admit-it, Charlton fans. If you're looking for male grooming tips you may be in the wrong room ;-)
Never mind about that. You've missed the but where Wakefield's 'fessed up to doing some modelling. Assuming you're not talking about Airfix what on earth are you doing on here?
This is the site for pug ugly, overweight, past-it-but-refuse-to-admit-it, Charlton fans. If you're looking for male grooming tips you may be in the wrong room ;-)
This has got so off topic I'm not sure I should even comment about Hughes.
However, I haven't met him so can't comment personally, but I find it difficult to believe that many on here know him personally, so to be so confident in suggestions that he is this, and he is that!
He went out and got drunk and in a drunken state he made a couple of bad judgements. The results were horrendous, of course they were, but I suspect that they were not premeditated. I'm not condoning his actions in any way, but causing an accident while drunk and 'running away' is not comparable to setting out to take someone's life and proceeding to do so.
We have a thread on here with 343 comments about events that have occurred while being drunk, I've never read it personally, but I'm sure it isn't full of comments like "Got drunk, went home and had a long sleep".
His actions as a footballer, on the pitch are, in my view, irrelevant to the crime he has been found guilty of and punished for. I hate players that wind up our crowd, but I don't attribute it to their personal life, and what can we, really, expect when we call a players a murderer and he scores against us? I don't think it's realistic to expect him to not celebrate any goals for the rest of his life, in the same way that the rest of us celebrate our successes at work, even though we might have done something that we are ashamed of in the past. He didn't do a little dance at the funeral of the chap that was killed in the accident. We really need to accept that he is allowed to get on with his life, or do we, literally, execute everyone that commits a serious crime?
If he has committed a sexual assault, and I've lost count of the number of times a girl appears in the papers making such claims against footballers that are never proved to be true, then he should face justice, which I expect he will if it comes to it. However those that have decided to use this allegation to proclaim how terrible a man he is are probably prejudiced, and this is why so many are reminding you that one is innocent until proven guilty.
A reasoned, well-thought out post. However, to take the opposite view completely - drunk-driver=cunt.
@chirpyred - my point being that even if he hadn't thrown me down the stairs, and instead invited me out back, clicking his fingers and so on...i'm 90% sure I would have ended up in the same state. He was 'wel'ard!'. @Bournemouth - i'm 'retired', and have condemned myself to years of contributing on threads that have gone way, way, waaaay off topic. (and i'm a charlton fan)
in response to Kings Hill Addick, drink driving is premeditated. If you go out in your car and drink and are prepared to drive home then what ever occurs afterwards is premeditated. Not as if he couldn't afford a taxi home. Anyone who drink drives is scum and is risking the lives of others by doing so.
in response to Kings Hill Addick, drink driving is premeditated. If you go out in your car and drink and are prepared to drive home then what ever occurs afterwards is premeditated. Not as if he couldn't afford a taxi home. Anyone who drink drives is scum and is risking the lives of others by doing so.
"premeditated"
would be i am planning to drive down the pub tonight have skinful and then find the next innocent person i can kill when i drive home drunk ..there has to be the planned intention to commit a crime to make it "premeditated" very few drunk drivers do that although i cannot condone them so KHA does have it right from the legal standpoint
You miss the point which is that having drunk too much his decision to drive whilst drunk IS premeditated. You are wrong to think that premeditated can only be considered from the point of time when he is at home and before going out. Once you take that decision then, rightly, it is no defence or even mitigation to say you didn't intend to kill or maim. Leroy in his own reasoned, well-thought out response (!!!) is bang on the money. Apart from this aspect I agree with KHA. I do however think he should be jailed for just about the stupidest goal celebration ever.
In the same way that a lollipop man is 'nearly' a policeman!
TBH JaShea's rigorous research methodology is way above the usual standard I see from social 'scientists'!
P.S Glad this thread has now veered away from the technicalities of sexual assault.....it was starting to get a bit gruesome. Thankfully we have now set sail for the uncontroversial and unemotive subject of drink driving!
If the assailant is a transexual who has had a penis transplant (saw a programme a few weeks back and i think it involved some skin and ligaments from another part of the body and a pump) and s/he has inserted it into one of the afformentioned orifices, is that rape? And what if the victim had been drink driving. Does that affect the verdict?
If the assailant is a transexual who has had a penis transplant (saw a programme a few weeks back and i think it involved some skin and ligaments from another part of the body and a pump) and s/he has inserted it into one of the afformentioned orifices, is that rape? And what if the victim had been drink driving. Does that affect the verdict?
If the assailant is a transexual who has had a penis transplant (saw a programme a few weeks back and i think it involved some skin and ligaments from another part of the body and a pump) and s/he has inserted it into one of the afformentioned orifices, is that rape? And what if the victim had been drink driving. Does that affect the verdict?
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Just caught up with this thread.......funny, weird, totally off topic but most of all a brilliant read. Better than Facebook.
On topic.........Lee Hughes remains and always will be a cnut.
Don't get the boxing reference. Throwing someone down the stairs is hardly in the Queesbury Rules is it? Makes me laugh when people say....Don't mess with him he's a black belt in blah, blah, blah....
What's that matter when you kick him in the nuts, hit him over the head with an iron bar and then stab him?
Never mind about that. You've missed the but where Wakefield's 'fessed up to doing some modelling. Assuming you're not talking about Airfix what on earth are you doing on here?
This is the site for pug ugly, overweight, past-it-but-refuse-to-admit-it, Charlton fans. If you're looking for male grooming tips you may be in the wrong room ;-)
@Bournemouth - i'm 'retired', and have condemned myself to years of contributing on threads that have gone way, way, waaaay off topic. (and i'm a charlton fan)
What's your favourite Michael Jackson song Large? Black and White?
would be i am planning to drive down the pub tonight have skinful and then find the next innocent person i can kill when i drive home drunk
..there has to be the planned intention to commit a crime to make it "premeditated" very few drunk drivers do that although i cannot condone them so KHA does have it right from the legal standpoint
You miss the point which is that having drunk too much his decision to drive whilst drunk IS premeditated. You are wrong to think that premeditated can only be considered from the point of time when he is at home and before going out. Once you take that decision then, rightly, it is no defence or even mitigation to say you didn't intend to kill or maim. Leroy in his own reasoned, well-thought out response (!!!) is bang on the money. Apart from this aspect I agree with KHA. I do however think he should be jailed for just about the stupidest goal celebration ever.
If the assailant is a transexual who has had a penis transplant (saw a programme a few weeks back and i think it involved some skin and ligaments from another part of the body and a pump) and s/he has inserted it into one of the afformentioned orifices, is that rape? And what if the victim had been drink driving. Does that affect the verdict?
Anyone seen my transexual summer on Ch4? Some sights on there.
Is that Robbie Savage?