... it happens in every ground across the country and I don't see why we think we should be different ...
There's most likely examples of racism in every ground across the country, doesn't mean we have to condone that just because its everywhere (I realise its a different issue but i'm just trying to make a point). Plus, I'd like our club to be above this. As Randy said, telling Benno to fuck off before he's kicked a football is utter BS, not gunna help anyone.
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
NUFF SAID.
I boo and know plenty of others who do that aren't fat or lazy
so that makes you thin and busy then .. is your real name Lizzie ?
Now I've had lunch and calmed down, I'll concede that Large has a point, which, if I understand it well, is that different people react differently at matches, always has been the case, nothing new. Can't argue with that. However he's then going on to assume that Charlton is no different to any other club, that its always been the same; and that there is nothing you can do about it. Thats where I disagree with him because he's ignoring the psychology of crowds. To explain this, never mind the jazz club, but I suppose a lot of people here also go to watch cricket, perhaps to support Kent,or the national team, and maybe rugby. Such people must surely admit that the atmosphere at cricket is different to football, which is different to rugby. And your behaviour changes with it. Right? and why, because you are fitting in with the general behaviour you see hear and feel around you.
Now I also believe that there are differences between different football crowds, and an individual's behaviour is modified by what he/she feels to be standard behaviour at any particular club. Then my further contention - and I admit its difficult to prove - is that things at the Valley have changed for the worse since the mid-90s. I've got some evidence. I remember late 90s both Warnock and Hoddle praising the Charlton crowd after getting beaten at the Valley, and Hoddle in particular said something I vividly remember: "they are patient with their team". Now, we've got Eddie Youds -who ironically was probably in the team then - saying the opposite. So I'm saying the booers are more numerous, more ridiculous and more damaging in their behaviour than in the 90s. Im saying that is a disadvantage to our team. And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
I don't think telling people who boo to stop will make them do it. Paying customers are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, im sure they'd think you're a "wanker" by clapping a player they clearly don't feel it necessary to.
And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
I don't think telling people who boo to stop will make them do it. Paying customers are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, im sure they'd think you're a "wanker" by clapping a player they clearly don't feel it necessary to.
I remember a time when our fans were more patient than fans from other teams - I can remember being amazed at how quickly some fans turned on their own team, and I remember thinking that turning on their team in that way helped us more than it helped their team. But slowly we seem to have changed. I would say that several years of frustration at the slow decline of the once mighty CAFC is probably a big factor. And now we have certain expectations, raised since the new owners came on board. I agree that telling people to stop booing won't work, but what will? Maybe all we can hope for is that it gets better over time?
Perhaps a Harry Hill rendition of ''Thick and Slow'' via a secret signal to the ''Rob Roy of the tannoy'', BDL, with everyone with foam hands pointing at the offenders, in a good humoured, happy, celebratory way?
And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
I don't think telling people who boo to stop will make them do it. Paying customers are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, im sure they'd think you're a "wanker" by clapping a player they clearly don't feel it necessary to.
But tell us about why you boo, JBlock. What do you mean by it, what does it feel like, what do you hope to achieve, and how effective do you think it is? I think we're all interested to know, so please help us to understand..
Some people in jazz clubs 'react' by yakking to their friends through a performance. Until somebody turns round and points out that if they want to yak they could go to a pub. Then they shut up. Or even better, they stick to pubs.
Oh good. The two guys behind me sit and yak all through the game about this that and the other so next time I can turn round and tell them to go down the pub.
Let me tell them for you seeing as one of them is my Dad. He has paid good and hard earned for his 5 year Season Ticket, so sorry if does not meet your criteria of what sort of supporter you would like around you.
Well said JohnH2. If you have a problem with my dad and his mate Large why not tell them to their faces??
Lordy, just caught up with this. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.
I've always been a big believer in knowing which battles to fight, and more importantly when to fight them. This very much appears to me to be a potentially right battle picked at completely the wrong time.
Lordy, just caught up with this. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.
I've always been a big believer in knowing which battles to fight, and more importantly when to fight them. This very much appears to me to be a potentially right battle picked at completely the wrong time.
And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
I don't think telling people who boo to stop will make them do it. Paying customers are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, im sure they'd think you're a "wanker" by clapping a player they clearly don't feel it necessary to.
..and how does that make you feel?
Makes me want to boo
Thats good. Hmmm We are going to try something new today.... Think of Simon Francis. What kind of fruit do you think of when you boo him?
But tell us about why you boo, JBlock. What do you mean by it, what does it feel like, what do you hope to achieve, and how effective do you think it is? I think we're all interested to know, so please help us to understand..
Let's get one thing straight I am not one who sits their and boo's and moans for no reason in fact I rarely do it to the point where I cannot remember the last time I have booed. I spend a lot of money following Charlton home and away and my argument is that if fans feel players aren't putting in the required desire and effort on a frequent basis then showing that player they are not happy is not a problem in my view. Booing players who are warming up and tell them to F off is totally unacceptable and I no way condone that.
So, if you feel comfortable with it, tell us what is 'no reason' and what is 'reasonable'? On a scale of 1 to 10, how angry are you generally? Did you use to play football at primary school? How did that make you feel? Have you ever hugged a tree?
So, if you feel comfortable with it, tell us what is 'no reason' and what is 'reasonable'? On a scale of 1 to 10, how angry are you generally? Did you use to play football at primary school? How did that make you feel? Have you ever hugged a tree?
Very condescending of you their FM considering you do not know me, not going to bite to your childish insults.
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
NUFF SAID.
I boo and know plenty of others who do that aren't fat or lazy
so that makes you thin and busy then .. is your real name Lizzie ?
The quoting thing has gone wrong, I never said that. Though I do have some sympathy with the point of view that people who boo "have issues", I'd try to avoid making such sweeping generalisations.
And I guess I'm also concluding that we can help to change it if we tell the booers to give it a rest, and make them feel what they are, and Wheresmeticket called them right. Wankers.
I don't think telling people who boo to stop will make them do it. Paying customers are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, im sure they'd think you're a "wanker" by clapping a player they clearly don't feel it necessary to.
So, if you feel comfortable with it, tell us what is 'no reason' and what is 'reasonable'? On a scale of 1 to 10, how angry are you generally? Did you use to play football at primary school? How did that make you feel? Have you ever hugged a tree?
Very condensing of you their FM considering you do not know me, not going to bite to your childish insults.
No, trust me - I did two years at night school.
Anyway, talking of childish insults, what is it that you hope to achieve by booing?
I don't want the players in my team to feel shit about being there. I don't want the 12th man to be helping the opposition. Wankers.
+1
If I feel that a player is dogshit, or doesn't give a monkey's (which is a far less forgivable crime against CAFC in my opinion) then I can come on here and say so (thank the Lord for CL). Doing something at a game which is far more likely to make us play badly just simply makes no sense to me.
I'd like us to play a game where all the players have their ipods on, so instead of hearing booing and 'fack's sake Chartlton - knock it long!' they instead hear the soothing sounds of George Benson, or whatever footballers listen to these days.
Then we'd have a better idea of the impact of the mindless element in the crowd.
Refreshing to see the majority of comments on here. Believe it or not - I don't have such a problem with collective booing of the team as long as it is totally deserved and doesn't happen too quickly - although I never boo full stop - I could see how it could in the right situation galvanise the team spirit to try to shut the booers up - all in it together and all that. You will from time to time get comments from a player like 'WE deserved the boos' but note the emphasis on the WE. But picking on one player and booing him is extremely damaging and it upsets the players who aren't being booed 'that could be me tomorrow'. That player who you think is rubbish could be mates with a good player who we are chasing and may put him off when they chat. You do have to be a gormless to boo a player before he kicks a ball and a bit gormless to boo a player full stop.
I was at Goodison this weekend and I was surrounded by a bunch of season ticket holders who sounded like they turned up just to tell Everton how much they hated them. The bloke next to me claimed he'd had his season ticket for 12 years but all he did was boo and swear at the players and the manager. He even had the nerve to boo Leon Osman for losing the ball in the final third when Everton were 3-1 up and it was the 94th minute. This isn't particularly relevent to the booing that goes on at Charlton but I just thought I'd point out that there are places where Premiership teams get abuse even when they win. I think your perception of the whole crowd is influenced by the people around you. Everton fans are known for being pretty patient with their team, but the only people around me were boo boys (and one particularly unpleasant boo woman) so I left the ground with the impression that the fans were a pretty miserable bunch. You just have to hope you don't get seats next to the misery-mongers
You do have a point - the boos aren't loud but if you hear them it upsets you but that might just be where you are sitting. I suppose it it impossible to keep these sad inadequates out - we probably just have to put up with them.
I spend a lot of money following Charlton home and away and my argument is that if fans feel players aren't putting in the required desire and effort on a frequent basis then showing that player they are not happy is not a problem in my view.
On those principles, shouldn't those fans that are booing target their abuse at Powell? after all, he's the one who picks these useless pony's to play.
I'll moan when something hasn't worked, not because i predict it might go wrong.
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Prague Addick - superb post. The booers aren't welcome at the Valley - Let's ensure we make them feel uncomfortable whenever it happens.
I've always been a big believer in knowing which battles to fight, and more importantly when to fight them. This very much appears to me to be a potentially right battle picked at completely the wrong time.
We are going to try something new today....
Think of Simon Francis. What kind of fruit do you think of when you boo him?
Let's get one thing straight I am not one who sits their and boo's and moans for no reason in fact I rarely do it to the point where I cannot remember the last time I have booed. I spend a lot of money following Charlton home and away and my argument is that if fans feel players aren't putting in the required desire and effort on a frequent basis then showing that player they are not happy is not a problem in my view. Booing players who are warming up and tell them to F off is totally unacceptable and I no way condone that.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how angry are you generally?
Did you use to play football at primary school? How did that make you feel?
Have you ever hugged a tree?
Anyway, talking of childish insults, what is it that you hope to achieve by booing?
mountain out of a molehill alert
I'd like us to play a game where all the players have their ipods on, so instead of hearing booing and 'fack's sake Chartlton - knock it long!' they instead hear the soothing sounds of George Benson, or whatever footballers listen to these days.
Then we'd have a better idea of the impact of the mindless element in the crowd.
I'll moan when something hasn't worked, not because i predict it might go wrong.