Nobody booed Francis even when he made his usual first couple of mistakes, but he was clearly beaten for skill and pace which resulted in their first goal.
How can you possibly know that - are you the all seeing being? Are you calling those who heard it liars?
Nobody booed Francis even when he made his usual first couple of mistakes, but he was clearly beaten for skill and pace which resulted in their first goal.
How can you possibly know that - are you the all seeing being? Are you calling those who heard it liars?
I just do, maybe - who knows, not necessarily.
Chill a bit.
If you prefer me to say "I could be mistaken but I didn't hear people around me or the crowd in general booing him etc etc " then OK,
My message to CP, SF and Benno is..............man-up !............ criticism is all part of professional football.
spot on.
Bollocks is it spot on. We have to many muppets down the valley that boo for no reason what so ever like against Exeter for keeping the ball.
Players have been booed in the warm up before they have even come on. I hear benno getting told to f off as his warming up on the touch line. What must this do to there confidence. Like someone else said boo if there not giving it there all and showing passion but leave off if there having a bad a game. Get behind them
Strange as it may seem, I think we are all broadly in agreement.
We all know that booing is not constructive, yet it is a part of football.
The key point is whether players start with a blank sheet of paper and then lose the support of fans - or are they just disliked from minute-one ?
My experience of the Valley crowd is that they are generally pretty tolerant, but like all sets of fans, contain some rogue elements.
Thinking about how to resolve this issue, I can see that only a top quality 90 minute full-on performance from the individuals mentioned is going to change things, and I refer to the excellent football being played by Chris Solly as a case in point.
Perhaps considered a weak link last year and in full view of his critics, Solly has played his way into the positive thoughts of spectators this season.
Take note, those players who feel they are being unfairly targeted.
Curbs always managed the crowd as well as the team - so delighted our current manager isn't afriad to speak up - He is shaping up so well, I am genuinely excited on where he will take us.As for the booers and the football neanderthals who constantly want us to boot it forwards -they are definitely a minority and are so pathetic.
I'm not knocking New Shopper for bringing it up, I think they were right to, but the booing really has to stop now as a result. The last thing we want is for Charlton to be known as a club where the fans boo the team when they're top of the league. That's not going to look to good to a potential signing is it. The problem with news like that being out and about is people tend not to read the whole thing and see it's the minority that are booing, they'll just read it like the whole stadium rips the players. Cheers boo-boys!
My message to CP, SF and Benno is..............man-up !............ criticism is all part of professional football.
spot on.
Bollocks is it spot on. We have to many muppets down the valley that boo for no reason what so ever like against Exeter for keeping the ball. Players have been booed in the warm up before they have even come on. I hear benno getting told to f off as his warming up on the touch line. What must this do to there confidence. Like someone else said boo if there not giving it there all and showing passion but leave off if there having a bad a game. Get behind them
I don't agree with telling a player to f**k off whilst warming up or even booing a player before they have even come on, but booing a player when fans deem it's desevered is part of the game and it happenes in every ground across the country and I don't see why we think we should be different. Players are paid enough money and if they can't endure a few boos when not giving passion or effort then they shouldn't be a footballer.
JBlock said: ...booing a player when fans deem it's desevered is part of the game and it happenes in every ground across the country and I don't see why we think we should be different. Players are paid enough money and if they can't endure a few boos when not giving passion or effort then they shouldn't be a footballer.
I expect you're right, that it probably does happen in every ground, but that's no reason to condone it. The reason we should be different is because we want a winning team. We have a better chance of having a winning team if the fans are supporting them rather than opposing them. As Chris Powell says, "it doesn’t help".
The amount of money players are paid is completely irrelevant. Some will cope with booing, some won't. But money has nothing to do with it.
Your last sentence is the most instructive though, "if they can't endure a few boos when not giving passion or effort then they shouldn't be a footballer". Endure. Endure!!! There you are admitting in your own words that booing is something that has to be endured. What fan in their right might wants to put players in their own team through some sort of endurance test? Talk about make life difficult for yourself.
Ooh goodie the booing debate, we haven't had that for a least 24 hours.
Just two brief points: try going to pretty much any other ground and the booing will be as 'bad' and IMO much worse in most cases whether they are top or bottom of the league. Football has and always has had it's fair share of negativity surrounding it. Not a new thing at all and do think we are making it into a bigger issue than it is.
Secondly, I think if we were to look back 6 months we'd find a large percentage if not THE MAJORITY of posters on here were calling for Powell to go. Now I may be going out on a limb here but I suspect that you didn't keep that opinion to yourselves during the game and venture to suggest you might even have made your feelings known to CP and the board during or after the game? If it was okay for those of you who did it back then it seems slightly hypocritical now to take the opposite view on booing and start laying down the law on what is or isn't acceptable yourselves whe nyour reaction to our position was to call for CP to go. I'm not a booer and they did wind me at the weekend during that little 5 minute spell TBF but they are still a small minority.
A little food for thought really and wished we'd just stop going on about it.
Booing undoubtedly can be detrimental to the player however it can galvanise him and by showing him his lack of effort is not acceptable in my view he can either roll his sleeves up and at least try or he can carry on not giving two hoots. I will not be a happy clapper and clap regardless of a player playing well or not, however I am not one of those who will get on a players back after one bad game.
... it can galvanise him and by showing him his lack of effort is not acceptable in my view he can either roll his sleeves up and at least try or he can carry on not giving two hoots...
I've heard this argument before; never seen it happen though. Examples please.
A guy next to me in The West Stand shouted for Francis to drop dead and take a suicide pill.
Some people really need to get a grip on reality. The guy was in his 60's and became more and more vocal as the game went on and didn't once get behind the players or team but just slagged them off.
I'll mumble under my breath - talk to fellow fans but will never shout abuse and boo. The reason it is being brought up again is because Powell has told us it is detrimental and asked us not to do it. Those apologists for it more than likely do it so I don't expect you to accept the criticism because we are effectively booing you on here.
As for Powell, I wasn't sure he was the right one at the end of the season but never booed him, I always hoped he woudl be the right one the same as I hope a player who isn't doing well improves. I remember Steve gritt getting a lott od stick in his early Charlton career and turning the boos to cheers but lots of players get damaged by it - it isn't accepatable to say they get big money so should put up with it - we shouldn't be damaging players wearing the Charlton shirt -we should be undermining and intimidating opponents if we are going to do it.
Must admit I'd have been happier if Powell came out and and said this off his own back, rather than being urged by a journo. He must surely hear this from the dug-out?
As for the comments about manning up and taking critisism, pathetic. Someone puts in a poor shift then fine, slag them off constuctively, but not during the game. Maybe if you boo-boys used all that energy to scream encouragement at the team things might actually improve?
I'd bet these are the people who constantly belittle their kids, telling them they're useless and a waste of space..................
@Muttley: Those apologists for it more than likely do it so I don't expect you to accept the criticism because we are effectively booing you on here.
I hesitated to make that conclusion Muttley, but I mark you right. It's noticeable that several of the posters here who are saying "shut up, it s not a problem" tend also to be more negative and critical of the players than the consensus.
And that's OK. If you want to slag off the players, come on here and do it, and argue with the rest of us. Just don't boo players before they've even kicked a ball or hurl abuse at a sub like Benson as he is warming up.
Must admit I'd have been happier if Powell came out and and said this off his own back, rather than being urged by a journo.
Once again Tango, this is an implied insult to both the journo and Chris Powell (although I'm sure you didnt mean it as such)
If Chris Powell wants to tell us something, the NewsShopper column along with the programme and the website, is the place where he does it. That is what it is for.
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Bollocks is it spot on. We have to many muppets down the valley that boo for no reason what so ever like against Exeter for keeping the ball.
Players have been booed in the warm up before they have even come on. I hear benno getting told to f off as his warming up on the touch line. What must this do to there confidence. Like someone else said boo if there not giving it there all and showing passion but leave off if there having a bad a game. Get behind them
Genuine lol..........
Ooh goodie the booing debate, we haven't had that for a least 24 hours.
Just two brief points: try going to pretty much any other ground and the booing will be as 'bad' and IMO much worse in most cases whether they are top or bottom of the league. Football has and always has had it's fair share of negativity surrounding it. Not a new thing at all and do think we are making it into a bigger issue than it is.
Secondly, I think if we were to look back 6 months we'd find a large percentage if not THE MAJORITY of posters on here were calling for Powell to go. Now I may be going out on a limb here but I suspect that you didn't keep that opinion to yourselves during the game and venture to suggest you might even have made your feelings known to CP and the board during or after the game? If it was okay for those of you who did it back then it seems slightly hypocritical now to take the opposite view on booing and start laying down the law on what is or isn't acceptable yourselves whe nyour reaction to our position was to call for CP to go. I'm not a booer and they did wind me at the weekend during that little 5 minute spell TBF but they are still a small minority.
A little food for thought really and wished we'd just stop going on about it.
Arent you joining in the going on about it?
;-)
As for Powell, I wasn't sure he was the right one at the end of the season but never booed him, I always hoped he woudl be the right one the same as I hope a player who isn't doing well improves. I remember Steve gritt getting a lott od stick in his early Charlton career and turning the boos to cheers but lots of players get damaged by it - it isn't accepatable to say they get big money so should put up with it - we shouldn't be damaging players wearing the Charlton shirt -we should be undermining and intimidating opponents if we are going to do it.
As for the comments about manning up and taking critisism, pathetic. Someone puts in a poor shift then fine, slag them off constuctively, but not during the game. Maybe if you boo-boys used all that energy to scream encouragement at the team things might actually improve?
I'd bet these are the people who constantly belittle their kids, telling them they're useless and a waste of space..................