Yeah but The funny thing is I was thinking about this subject last night (and was going to start a thread today) as to why Powell hadn't come out publicly and said anything about these minority supporters. Surely a manager should be seen to be backing his players (at least in the public eye)?
Here here well said Muttley i was going to say the same thing but could not put it in to words .
you are always going to get people who boo, it's just a fact of life. Everyone is different. When we score some people jump over seats or hung their mates, some stand and clap and punch the air in delight whilst some sit in their sit and clap politely. Should CP be telling those fans to leap about and be more euphoric? No of course not, because that is human nature and people reacted differently to any given situation. It's a mindless minority to whom no time should be given. To highlight the 'problem' may actually encourage them to do it more.
Here here well said Muttley i was going to say the same thing but could not put it in to words .
Everyone is different. When we score some people jump over seats or hung their mates, some stand and clap and punch the air in delight whilst some sit in their sit and clap politely. Should CP be telling those fans to leap about and be more euphoric? No of course not, because that is human nature and people reacted differently to any given situation. It's a mindless minority to whom no time should be given. To highlight the 'problem' may actually encourage them to do it more.
I much prefer................................ "Rah, Rah, Rah we're going to smash the Oiks" ; )
I realize with increasing age my memory may not be what it was but I feel sure "booing" has been around in sport for many a decade.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
The difference in "days gone by" was the abuse was usually directed toward the opposition e.g. Harry Cripps (before he became one of us) launching one of our delicate lads into the stand or some oaf of an official committing some unforgiveable "sin' against "our boys"
Just like the Benfica crowd with Man U and then the referee (as he ignored their players multiple pleas for anything!) - good old fashioned whistling/ booing (continentals always get those confused).
Now if you want to boo/ upset the opposition (why would you want to motivate them?) or an incompetent official (probably not even a great idea to piss them off either) then that is all part of the tribal thing but I find the argument for abusing your own players really strange.
A neutral I suppose could boo a really poor match but it would have to be both teams playing badly because, if one side was playing well they would be being entertained - wouldn't they?
Most of us I assume go to matches to "support our team" and hopefully be entertained - neutral we are not. What appears to have developed over the years is the "Quasi Supporter" (QS) who seem to come to games like some damsel waiting to be wooed by their champions' (our lads) performance before awarding their favours (support). In other words only actually support us when we are winning.
If all is not well however the "QS" obviously feeling deeply betrayed (how dare someone "deliberately" not play well when they have come to support them) have to publicly distance themselves by venting, more often than not, ignorant abuse.
I suggest, on occasion, we may all feel like it, but to continially spew targetted abuse suggests the QS are just pursuing their own personal gratification over the rest of us (it’s not as if we wouldn’t be suffering as well).
Lets be blunt people who boo and/or hurl abuse do so "to make themselves feel better" - nothing more - nothing less. To argue "I'm entitled cos I paid my money" is self important posturing. Everybody around you paid money too, what makes you so important?
Akin to booing an on stage entertainer? Nonsense, boo/ heckle in that scenario, the performer is gone in minutes. On a football field any "targets" have colleagues on the field (plus us in the stands) needing them to do a job. They literally have nowhere to hide.
In such difficult financial times the club needs all the revenue it can get, so perhaps to improve the general atmosphere us true supporters might reward the QS with a nice QS "bib". Then we and "the lads" will know we can just ignore these neurotic self indulgent plonkers. Perhaps the QS could have their own turnstile, perhaps a seperate area of the ground, perhaps ringed by soundproof glass so the rest of us can just enjoy (or not) the football and support the lads - just like the old days! Much simpler then - just used to go home and kick the dog!
(Joke.....................the bugger was always too quick)
Come on Large - totally different thing. Not shouting in celebration doesnt affect our players, does it?
I am not talking about the affect it may have. I am just saying that all people react differently to things. Someone cuts you up in their car, some people would chase after them for a ruck, some would shake their fist and swear at them whilst some would not react at all. Same with football.
Some people in jazz clubs 'react' by yakking to their friends through a performance. Until somebody turns round and points out that if they want to yak they could go to a pub. Then they shut up. Or even better, they stick to pubs.
Some people in jazz clubs 'react' by yakking to their friends through a performance. Until somebody turns round and points out that if they want to yak they could go to a pub. Then they shut up. Or even better, they stick to pubs.
Oh good. The two guys behind me sit and yak all through the game about this that and the other so next time I can turn round and tell them to go down the pub.
Large, you are not thick, so why pretend to be? Your post gives me the same sort of feeling as when I travel 800 miles to support my team only to hear some knobhead slagging players off before they've even kicked the bloody ball.
You know perfectly well what I'm getting at, either debate it or leave it.
Not exectly top of his list of concerns then. I hate this type of journalism, ask a very specific question where the manager can clearly only say one thing and then claim they're really concerned about it. He wasn't calling on fans to do anything until Newshopper raised a personal grievance about it.
Large does have a point doesn't he? It is very much about what we as very diverse individuals consider to be acceptable, and there has to be tolerance betyween us. However, there is clearly a minority who think their rights are more important than those of the majority.
We went to the Vatican recently and the rules for visitors were crystal clear, no shorts or un-covered shoulders and silence in the Sistine Chapel. If you think it infringed your rights - tough. Those that infringed the rules were either refused admission or, ironically, shouted at very loudly by the guards until they shut up. The Vatican laid the rules down very clearly and also made a fortune selling large scarves. Perhaps the club should promote the 'no abuse' message more vigorously ( and maybe sell scold bridles as well).
DRF, you're another one who has insulted the journalist's professionalism. I guess you didnt read the rest of this thread before doing so.
One more time. Chris Powell is not (in my opinion) mindless twonk. If he didnt think it was a problem, he would have said so. He would have said, 'fans pay their money and are entitled to voice their opinions" . he didnt. He said something else, at some length.
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
DRF, you're another one who has insulted the journalist's professionalism. I guess you didnt read the rest of this thread before doing so.
One more time. Chris Powell is not (in my opinion) mindless twonk. If he didnt think it was a problem, he would have said so. He would have said, 'fans pay their money and are entitled to voice their opinions" . he didnt. He said something else, at some length.
Do you think Chris Powell is a mindless twonk?
He isn't a mindless twonk but neither does he seem very concerned about it. He only commented on it because he was asked specifically about it by a journo. If not then he would have said nothing. If a piece had appeared on the OS from CP with a plea for a few fans to stop booing I would have given it more credence. He was asked a specific question and he replied to it but I don't think he's overly concerned about it. He even says it is a minority. He can't be that concerned about the effect it may have had on Francis as he hasn't even spoken to him about it. A few boos, which most of us didn't even hear. It really is something and nothing.
Some people in jazz clubs 'react' by yakking to their friends through a performance. Until somebody turns round and points out that if they want to yak they could go to a pub. Then they shut up. Or even better, they stick to pubs.
Oh good. The two guys behind me sit and yak all through the game about this that and the other so next time I can turn round and tell them to go down the pub.
Let me tell them for you seeing as one of them is my Dad. He has paid good and hard earned for his 5 year Season Ticket, so sorry if does not meet your criteria of what sort of supporter you would like around you.
We're top of the league. If we win 3-0 tomorrow and Hayes scored 2 or 3 of 'em, the next game at the valley, two misplaced passes and a miss on goal, then a significant minority would *still* start on him. FACT.
I'm not against booing after a half etc, but booing our own players during a game (usually one in particular and not booing others who are playing as bad/worse as him (pack mentality)) is just SHIT.
I remember when Mooney's name was booed before the game, they said it really upset all the players.
In a nutshell... THIS:
I don't want the players in my team to feel shit about being there. I don't want the 12th man to be helping the opposition. Wankers.
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
NUFF SAID.
My dishwasher is broken , do i fall into your generalisation? outside now! ;-0
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
NUFF SAID.
I boo and know plenty of others who do that aren't fat or lazy
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you are always going to get people who boo, it's just a fact of life. Everyone is different. When we score some people jump over seats or hung their mates, some stand and clap and punch the air in delight whilst some sit in their sit and clap politely. Should CP be telling those fans to leap about and be more euphoric? No of course not, because that is human nature and people reacted differently to any given situation. It's a mindless minority to whom no time should be given. To highlight the 'problem' may actually encourage them to do it more.
"Rah, Rah, Rah we're going to smash the Oiks" ; )
I realize with increasing age my memory may not be what it was but I feel sure "booing" has been around in sport for many a decade.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
The difference in "days gone by" was the abuse was usually directed toward the opposition e.g. Harry Cripps (before he became one of us) launching one of our delicate lads into the stand or some oaf of an official committing some unforgiveable "sin' against "our boys"
Just like the Benfica crowd with Man U and then the referee (as he ignored their players multiple pleas for anything!) - good old fashioned whistling/ booing (continentals always get those confused).
Now if you want to boo/ upset the opposition (why would you want to motivate them?) or an incompetent official (probably not even a great idea to piss them off either) then that is all part of the tribal thing but I find the argument for abusing your own players really strange.
A neutral I suppose could boo a really poor match but it would have to be both teams playing badly because, if one side was playing well they would be being entertained - wouldn't they?
Most of us I assume go to matches to "support our team" and hopefully be entertained - neutral we are not. What appears to have developed over the years is the "Quasi Supporter" (QS) who seem to come to games like some damsel waiting to be wooed by their champions' (our lads) performance before awarding their favours (support). In other words only actually support us when we are winning.
If all is not well however the "QS" obviously feeling deeply betrayed (how dare someone "deliberately" not play well when they have come to support them) have to publicly distance themselves by venting, more often than not, ignorant abuse.
I suggest, on occasion, we may all feel like it, but to continially spew targetted abuse suggests the QS are just pursuing their own personal gratification over the rest of us (it’s not as if we wouldn’t be suffering as well).
Lets be blunt people who boo and/or hurl abuse do so "to make themselves feel better" - nothing more - nothing less. To argue "I'm entitled cos I paid my money" is self important posturing. Everybody around you paid money too, what makes you so important?
Akin to booing an on stage entertainer? Nonsense, boo/ heckle in that scenario, the performer is gone in minutes. On a football field any "targets" have colleagues on the field (plus us in the stands) needing them to do a job. They literally have nowhere to hide.
In such difficult financial times the club needs all the revenue it can get, so perhaps to improve the general atmosphere us true supporters might reward the QS with a nice QS "bib". Then we and "the lads" will know we can just ignore these neurotic self indulgent plonkers.
Perhaps the QS could have their own turnstile, perhaps a seperate area of the ground, perhaps ringed by soundproof glass so the rest of us can just enjoy (or not) the football and support the lads - just like the old days!
Much simpler then - just used to go home and kick the dog!
(Joke.....................the bugger was always too quick)
Grapevine49
I am not talking about the affect it may have. I am just saying that all people react differently to things. Someone cuts you up in their car, some people would chase after them for a ruck, some would shake their fist and swear at them whilst some would not react at all. Same with football.
Oh good. The two guys behind me sit and yak all through the game about this that and the other so next time I can turn round and tell them to go down the pub.
"I never spoke to him about it after the game."
Not exectly top of his list of concerns then. I hate this type of journalism, ask a very specific question where the manager can clearly only say one thing and then claim they're really concerned about it. He wasn't calling on fans to do anything until Newshopper raised a personal grievance about it.
Large does have a point doesn't he? It is very much about what we as very diverse individuals consider to be acceptable, and there has to be tolerance betyween us. However, there is clearly a minority who think their rights are more important than those of the majority.
We went to the Vatican recently and the rules for visitors were crystal clear, no shorts or un-covered shoulders and silence in the Sistine Chapel. If you think it infringed your rights - tough. Those that infringed the rules were either refused admission or, ironically, shouted at very loudly by the guards until they shut up. The Vatican laid the rules down very clearly and also made a fortune selling large scarves. Perhaps the club should promote the 'no abuse' message more vigorously ( and maybe sell scold bridles as well).
top of the league with a game in hand.....
why are we even having the discussion and why was it even mentioned in a conversation with CP???
crazy.
Some people need to boo. They are normally the ones who at home put the hoover round and do the washing up. Football provides them with an opportunity to have a go at someone who has achieved more than they ever will in their life. FACT, boo boys are normally overweight lazy slobs with issues.
They don't stop when the object of their derision moves on, they just start on someone else. Like I said, would never boo a player wearing the Charlton shirt, and I object to anyone sitting near me doing so. Im too old to tell them to shut the f### up, but there are pleanty who sit where I sit who do it. We have driven other supportes away from our place , because our place is for Charlton supporters only.
NUFF SAID.
He isn't a mindless twonk but neither does he seem very concerned about it. He only commented on it because he was asked specifically about it by a journo. If not then he would have said nothing. If a piece had appeared on the OS from CP with a plea for a few fans to stop booing I would have given it more credence. He was asked a specific question and he replied to it but I don't think he's overly concerned about it. He even says it is a minority. He can't be that concerned about the effect it may have had on Francis as he hasn't even spoken to him about it. A few boos, which most of us didn't even hear. It really is something and nothing.
I'm not against booing after a half etc, but booing our own players during a game (usually one in particular and not booing others who are playing as bad/worse as him (pack mentality)) is just SHIT.
I remember when Mooney's name was booed before the game, they said it really upset all the players.
In a nutshell... THIS: SPOT ON.
boggzy - at last, a brain ..........