Toni and Guy got their windows smashed in, already fixed new ones (about 2 hours after it happened). Incredible, saw the cameras filming them putting it back in. How's it all gonna get cleared up? Tempted to take the day off tomorrow to help out
People on here throughout the night have called for the Govt to bring the Army in to help out. As an ex squaddie, the main problem I see in this is they don't have the training to deal with crowd handling in a passive capacity. Yes, we'd all like to see them pile in and kick the shit out of them, but the nanny's that run our state deem that to be excessive. During my time in the Army, we were still very much involved with street conflicts in NI so this type of training was carried out on a regular basis. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case.
Totally agree. Using the Army in an internal security role (i.e. in support of the civil police) is a world away from normal soldiering. It's very specialised and requires a lot of time-consuming training. You can't just send a regiment that's been trained for a "hot" war onto the streets of London. If you did there would be carnage and we would be no better than a lot of dictatorships.
I can't understand why the police can't use tasers on the rioters - I am sure this would be effective.
Residents in clapham are now being told to leave their homes by Police for their own safety - no f**king way would I do that? This being reported on radio.
Paul, from BBC News, looters have set a party shop alight, and the police are worried about the helium canisters they use for inflating the baloons exploding. That's why they're suggesting people evacuate.
Had a riot here in Peckham earlier in the evening, made my journey home from the proms difficult. Two shops 30 secs walk from me broken into, just straight forward crimanal robbery nothing poitical in it. Anarchy on the streets as old bill have lost control, and will they ever really regain it, or will we all be living on a tinder box from now on.
Can someone explain to me, what exactly is the point of having a police force? The Old Bill were not quite so reticent to kick the shit out of the miners back in the 1980's or even the students earlier this year, were they? And yet they don't seem quite so keen now.
As for the "government" what a total disgrace and an embrassment. How can you have The PM, Chancellor and Lord Mayor all overseas on holiday at the same time leaving "Call Me Nick" in charge? It was obvious from last week that this was going to get serious and yet the Eton boys all stayed on their holidays. Nice.
There needs to be a clear voice of leadership to be seen to be in charge and there just isn't one and that's unforgivable, God knows I am not bloody Tory but there is no way that Thatcher/Tebbitt would have let such a void of leadership take place.
This is the last thing the country needs in its current economic climate and there just seems to be an absolute void in leadership.
Maybe we need to outsource our policing to the Chinese?
Ormiston, with the greatest respect mate, cut out the overtly political stuff. It's been done already on this thread and it doesn't get us anywhere at this particular moment in time.
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I'll be staying indoors with the dog and bats.
Cowardly Scum, Every single one of them.
Beat me to it you bugger
I can't understand why the police can't use tasers on the rioters - I am sure this would be effective.
We mate recently transferred to Woolwich Fire station. I hope to God he's ok.
He's probably sat on his doorstep with a samurai sword.
Can someone explain to me, what exactly is the point of having a police force? The Old Bill were not quite so reticent to kick the shit out of the miners back in the 1980's or even the students earlier this year, were they? And yet they don't seem quite so keen now.
As for the "government" what a total disgrace and an embrassment. How can you have The PM, Chancellor and Lord Mayor all overseas on holiday at the same time leaving "Call Me Nick" in charge? It was obvious from last week that this was going to get serious and yet the Eton boys all stayed on their holidays. Nice.
There needs to be a clear voice of leadership to be seen to be in charge and there just isn't one and that's unforgivable, God knows I am not bloody Tory but there is no way that Thatcher/Tebbitt would have let such a void of leadership take place.
This is the last thing the country needs in its current economic climate and there just seems to be an absolute void in leadership.
Maybe we need to outsource our policing to the Chinese?