[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]No curb_it, i am a voice of reason...there is no evidence to suggest such mythical creatures such as god exist...
As someone mentioned before, for a lot of people its believung in what their parents told them and accepting it as fact...(its like believing in father christmas - quite clearly not true...like religi
these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
I've watched a lot of people over the years take a great deal of comfort in their beliefs, specially in times of crisis and bereavement. if this makes people narrow minded then so be it. If it helps people then I'm all for that. Let people go and pray and sing and give thanks if it makes them feel better. Doubt they'll take a blind bit of notice of you... "the voice of reason".
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]No curb_it, i am a voice of reason...there is no evidence to suggest such mythical creatures such as god exist...
As someone mentioned before, for a lot of people its believung in what their parents told them and accepting it as fact...(its like believing in father christmas - quite clearly not true...like religi
these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
I've watched a lot of people over the years take a great deal of comfort in their beliefs, specially in times of crisis and bereavement. if this makes people narrow minded then so be it. If it helps people then I'm all for that. Let people go and pray and sing and give thanks if it makes them feel better. Doubt they'll take a blind bit of notice of you... "the voice of reason".
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time; man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
And Man will "make up" scientific facts to suit his agenda too.
The man made climate change scam being a good example.
Christian Dailly ...... sounds like a church newspaper.
Incorruptible is possibly the editor?
Or at least contributes music articles, bible readings and obituaries ..... "Salvation Army in Sidcup salutes tragic trombonist".
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time.
Man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic, in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). It must be noted that its not compulsory to teach the theory of evolutuion in schools, yet kids learn about the origins of religion (and all the mumbo jumbo that goes along with it). Young children often take things literally and I feel for our society in which they are being brainwashed at such a young age (even more so in religious schools)...
If you met an adult who genuinly believed in father christmas or the boogy man or superman or spiderman: you would think they were crazy and would also tell them to "grow up" - believing in god is no different.
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time.
Man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic, in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). It must be noted that its not compulsory to teach the theory of evolutuion in schools, yet kids learn about the origins of religion (and all the mumbo jumbo that goes along with it). Young children often take things literally and I feel for our society in which they are being brainwashed at such a young age (even more so in religious schools)...
If you met an adult who genuinly believed in father christmas or the boogy man or superman or spiderman: you would think they were crazy and would also tell them to "grow up" - believing in god is no different.
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time.
Man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic, in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). It must be noted that its not compulsory to teach the theory of evolutuion in schools, yet kids learn about the origins of religion (and all the mumbo jumbo that goes along with it). Young children often take things literally and I feel for our society in which they are being brainwashed at such a young age (even more so in religious schools)...
If you met an adult who genuinly believed in father christmas or the boogy man or superman or spiderman: you would think they were crazy and would also tell them to "grow up" - believing in god is no different.
Can we please leave Religion off these boards? It really doesn't make any difference who believes what theologically and all it's going to do is cause disagreements. Those who believe can practice their beliefs and those who don't won't, and we can avoid unnecessary arguments.
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time.
Man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic, in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). It must be noted that its not compulsory to teach the theory of evolutuion in schools, yet kids learn about the origins of religion (and all the mumbo jumbo that goes along with it). Young children often take things literally and I feel for our society in which they are being brainwashed at such a young age (even more so in religious schools)...
If you met an adult who genuinly believed in father christmas or the boogy man or superman or spiderman: you would think they were crazy and would also tell them to "grow up" - believing in god is no different.
God has no peer therefore it cannot be reviewed.
Where does he sell his candy floss from then?
By the band stand! Candy Floss is gods beard - FACT
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
.........these people need to open up their minds an looke at scientific fact
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time; man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
And Man will "make up" scientific facts to suit his agenda too.
The man made climate change scam being a good example.
Oh no! Now Dailly's responsible for climate change scammers/deniers.
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
Then surely it is you who is closed-minded?
As Oggy has already said, scientific facts are only facts because we say they are, it's all theory.
This thread just gets better and better. From very unpromising beginings this is turning into a Charlton Life Classic with skirmishes going off all over the place...
[cite]Posted By: thenewbie[/cite]Can we please leave Religion off these boards? It really doesn't make any difference who believes what theologically and all it's going to do is cause disagreements. Those who believe can practice their beliefs and those who don't won't, and we can avoid unnecessary arguments.
why? surely people come on here for unnecessary arguments or discussions or whatever they're called.
[cite]Posted By: thenewbie[/cite]Can we please leave Religion off these boards? It really doesn't make any difference who believes what theologically and all it's going to do is cause disagreements. Those who believe can practice their beliefs and those who don't won't, and we can avoid unnecessary arguments.
why? surely people come on here for unnecessary arguments or discussions or whatever they're called.
Because its not a debate. It's just 'You're wrong', 'No, YOU'RE wrong,' 'NO YOU'RE WRONG' repeat blah blah blah. Quite apart from the fact that some people decide no lines are to be left uncrossed when you mention religion. Just my two penny's worth.
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). .
Seeing as most of our code of law is based on Jewish/Christian ethics I think you'll find you will struggle for this not to have an impact on you.
I'm an atheist, my wife attends church regularly. I'm happy for my kids to be brought up attending church/going to church schools because I want them to have that moral compass installed and reinforced at an early age. When they are old enough to decide what to believe, they will make up their own minds.
My view is that people who put their faith in science are just as narrow minded and short sighted as those that put their faith in religion.
In the 18th & 19th Century Newtons laws were the creed that all scientists believed, until observed events started to conflict with Newtons laws. Along came Einstein, whose theories became the new scientific creed, but only because nothing in current observed events conflicts with the theory. But that doesn't make them right, its just that we are not able to disprove them yet.
Overall I think its best just not to to think about these sort of things too much, I think Trevor Alfred Charles Jones and Eric Idle express this far more eloquently than I ever could:
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Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour.
That's orbiting at ninety miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
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[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]And Man will "make up" scientific facts to suit his agenda too.
The man made climate change scam being a good example.
God gave you the inside knowledge that its a scam did he?
Or just the voices in your head.
Read up on the subject, otherwise you might be in danger of looking like a fool.
What scientific facts have been made up? Eh? Just one will do. Please dont include extremist nutters. They may well be religious.
Perhaps you should read up on the university of East Anglia's climate change unit before you look a fool yourself. :0)
It's no excuse for inaction, but data on both sides of the climate change argument has been manipulated & omitted in order to support their case which has reduced the credibility of both sides.
How dare you come on a football list quoting the disciples of JC?
[cite]Posted By: Imnot Athletic[/cite]Overall I think its best just not to to think about these sort of things too much, I think Trevor Alfred Charles Jones and Eric Idle express this far more eloquently than I ever could:
[cite]Posted By: Robert[/cite]I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
Then surely it is you who is closed-minded?
As Oggy has already said, scientific facts are only facts because we say they are, it's all theory.
No. Scientific facts are not just facts because we say they are. They are facts because the have been observed and can be tested and verified. However, over time many of the things that are considered scientific facts will change. This is because as our understanding and our levels of technology improve we are able to do more complex experiments and observations, some of which will show that previous explanations are inadequate. The key thing to science is not "facts", but the scientific method that is used to ascertain them. In contrast, religion has no method, it therefore gets tied in knots when the current level of understanding exceeds religious doctrine.
[cite]Posted By: Imnot Athletic[/cite]
Perhaps you should read up on the university of East Anglia's climate change unit before you look a fool yourself. :0)
I have thanks. Its is a significant area of interest for my employment.
Now, are you answering my request to Len, because right now I cant see any fact that has been made up.
You may be confusing misinterpreting what facts mean or imply, but that is different from making up facts, isnt it?
Sorry if this has been mentioned but i'll admit to only reading the first page of this thread........
Firstly, i don't know where the "headbutt" accusation came from, as he lashed out his leg and kicked the guy behind him. Totally agree it was wrong but jesus, it was a split-second reaction to what amounted as an assault by the Oldham player who had absolutely no right to have his foot so high off the ground when an opposing player is challenging for the ball. Thought he was damn lucky not to be sent off also. Silly reaction from Dailly but understandable nonetheless. As for him being passed it, i personally think he's got another season in him at this level as a squad player. Don't think he should be capt next term as we'd need a regular starter for that, but definately worth hanging on to. And who knows, as we know absolutely nothing about how much money will be spent in the summer and what caliber of player we're likely to attract, who's to say that he still might be the best we have?
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I've watched a lot of people over the years take a great deal of comfort in their beliefs, specially in times of crisis and bereavement. if this makes people narrow minded then so be it. If it helps people then I'm all for that. Let people go and pray and sing and give thanks if it makes them feel better. Doubt they'll take a blind bit of notice of you... "the voice of reason".
Grow up
"Scientific fact", is only that which is academically accepted at the present time.
Man's knowledge of actual scientific fact is myopic, in comparison to what he is yet to understand.
And Man will "make up" scientific facts to suit his agenda too.
The man made climate change scam being a good example.
I used to watch porn, you learn a lot about how life began
ps your book is still sat on my desk... have been too lazy to take to PO. i will do.
Incorruptible is possibly the editor?
Or at least contributes music articles, bible readings and obituaries ..... "Salvation Army in Sidcup salutes tragic trombonist".
With apologies, naturally.
;o)
I totally agree, but science is peer reviewed before it can become published and then repeated many times by other researchers before it can be considered "fact" (all of which have to be peer reviewed in order to be published). Whereby religion is based on nothing, with no evidence. In my mind, this is conclusive enough.
I don't have a problem with people being religious, as long as it dosnt impact on me (or society). It must be noted that its not compulsory to teach the theory of evolutuion in schools, yet kids learn about the origins of religion (and all the mumbo jumbo that goes along with it). Young children often take things literally and I feel for our society in which they are being brainwashed at such a young age (even more so in religious schools)...
If you met an adult who genuinly believed in father christmas or the boogy man or superman or spiderman: you would think they were crazy and would also tell them to "grow up" - believing in god is no different.
God has no peer therefore it cannot be reviewed.
Where does he sell his candy floss from then?
By the band stand! Candy Floss is gods beard - FACT
It's a quiet news day.
There's no football topic to discuss apart from football names that sound like illness.
If we can't talk about religion, what the Hell can we talk about ....... politics?
Where's Henry?
;o)
Good point, well made!
Oh no! Now Dailly's responsible for climate change scammers/deniers.
Then surely it is you who is closed-minded?
As Oggy has already said, scientific facts are only facts because we say they are, it's all theory.
why? surely people come on here for unnecessary arguments or discussions or whatever they're called.
God gave you the inside knowledge that its a scam did he?
Or just the voices in your head.
Read up on the subject, otherwise you might be in danger of looking like a fool.
What scientific facts have been made up? Eh? Just one will do. Please dont include extremist nutters. They may well be religious.
Because its not a debate. It's just 'You're wrong', 'No, YOU'RE wrong,' 'NO YOU'RE WRONG' repeat blah blah blah. Quite apart from the fact that some people decide no lines are to be left uncrossed when you mention religion. Just my two penny's worth.
Seeing as most of our code of law is based on Jewish/Christian ethics I think you'll find you will struggle for this not to have an impact on you.
I'm an atheist, my wife attends church regularly. I'm happy for my kids to be brought up attending church/going to church schools because I want them to have that moral compass installed and reinforced at an early age. When they are old enough to decide what to believe, they will make up their own minds.
My view is that people who put their faith in science are just as narrow minded and short sighted as those that put their faith in religion.
In the 18th & 19th Century Newtons laws were the creed that all scientists believed, until observed events started to conflict with Newtons laws. Along came Einstein, whose theories became the new scientific creed, but only because nothing in current observed events conflicts with the theory. But that doesn't make them right, its just that we are not able to disprove them yet.
Overall I think its best just not to to think about these sort of things too much, I think Trevor Alfred Charles Jones and Eric Idle express this far more eloquently than I ever could:
Perhaps you should read up on the university of East Anglia's climate change unit before you look a fool yourself. :0)
It's no excuse for inaction, but data on both sides of the climate change argument has been manipulated & omitted in order to support their case which has reduced the credibility of both sides.
I have thanks. Its is a significant area of interest for my employment.
Now, are you answering my request to Len, because right now I cant see any fact that has been made up.
You may be confusing misinterpreting what facts mean or imply, but that is different from making up facts, isnt it?
Firstly, i don't know where the "headbutt" accusation came from, as he lashed out his leg and kicked the guy behind him. Totally agree it was wrong but jesus, it was a split-second reaction to what amounted as an assault by the Oldham player who had absolutely no right to have his foot so high off the ground when an opposing player is challenging for the ball. Thought he was damn lucky not to be sent off also. Silly reaction from Dailly but understandable nonetheless. As for him being passed it, i personally think he's got another season in him at this level as a squad player. Don't think he should be capt next term as we'd need a regular starter for that, but definately worth hanging on to. And who knows, as we know absolutely nothing about how much money will be spent in the summer and what caliber of player we're likely to attract, who's to say that he still might be the best we have?