I would love to know who's behind it, but if the secrecy of all this is one of the keys to the takeover to happen I m more than happy to wait until the 24th.
[cite]Posted By: Elthamaddick[/cite]I voted no, agree with Ketman on the first page
Ditto but if the consortium is of the 'well off local businessmen' ilk then there should be some sort of message to supporters setting expectations. The longer the silence the more fans will believe that it is megabucks foreign investment of some sort.
The real measure of whether the new owners are good or bad shouldnt be measured by our preconception of them as people or their net worth it should surely be relative to the current state of the club and how much the sale of the club at this precise moment is a necessity or a wish.
For example people are talking about Wise and Jiminez being a disaster but if the choice was either them as the only poeple willing to invest or the club going out of business or into admin then surely they should be looked at in a different light.
What we are looking for is someone richer than Man City... We become the richest club in the world I get to watch us every week on the televison and a stream of technically gifted genius' start playing at the Valley the Crowds flock back, we finish off the stadium, we win the Europa, Chelsea go bust and we take their spot, and the club start giving out 60k dollar watches not just to players, but also to supporters..
[quote][cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]The real measure of whether the new owners are good or bad shouldnt be measured by our preconception of them as people or their net worth it should surely be relative to the current state of the club and how much the sale of the club at this precise moment is a necessity or a wish.
For example people are talking about Wise and Jiminez being a disaster but if the choice was either them as the only poeple willing to invest or the club going out of business or into admin then surely they should be looked at in a different light.[/quote]
That would be the only acceptable reason for even considering Wise and Jiminez.
But as others have suggested that might well be only a 'frying pan' and 'fire' situation, with the possibility of "property developer" Jiminez "developing" our assets (ground share with West Ham at the Olympic Stadium anyone....?).
[cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]The real measure of whether the new owners are good or bad shouldnt be measured by our preconception of them as people or their net worth it should surely be relative to the current state of the club and how much the sale of the club at this precise moment is a necessity or a wish.
For example people are talking about Wise and Jiminez being a disaster but if the choice was either them as the only poeple willing to invest or the club going out of business or into admin then surely they should be looked at in a different light.
In terms of their relative wealth I agree. Some people with more available money to invest in the Club than the current board, even if that is not hugely more, is a good thing.
Not sure I am comfortable with an argument of "anyone is better than Admin/receivership" to paraphrase your point Brunello.
As some middle eastern guy once said "what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?".
On a more serious note. I have given this much thought in trying to sleuth out our new buyers and using the formula that if you exclude the impossible then what you are left with nomatter how improbable is the truth. I therefore conclude that our new owners are in fact Sooty and Sweep with Sue acting as CE ala Karen Brady. It is just possible that the real power behind the takeover remains anonymous and Sooty and Sweep are just puppets. I thank you.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]On a more serious note. I have given this much thought in trying to sleuth out our new buyers and using the formula that if you exclude the impossible then what you are left with nomatter how improbable is the truth. I therefore conclude that our new owners are in fact Sooty and Sweep with Sue acting as CE ala Karen Brady. It is just possible that the real power behind the takeover remains anonymous and Sooty and Sweep are just puppets. I thank you.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: TEL[/cite]All I know is that Sooty has promised a clean Sweep
That would be great if true.[b aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Soo[/b]per
Though I'd be willing to[span aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]matthew cor[/span]bet[span aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]t[/span]we Bungle it up somehow
If it is Sooty and Sweep will anyone else have a hand in it ???
I think if anyone had asked before this bid whether we would accept investment from someone who didn't reveal their identity until they completed the takeover, we would have said yes.
Hopefully, they will be at the club for many years so if the price of that is not knowing who they are for a month, then I don't see that as too big a price to pay. If once they've completed the takeover they still didn't reveal their identity then of course we would have a legitimate reason to complain, but there has been no indication that this will be the case.
Richard Murray has said he wouldn't sell the club to someone who didn't have the right intentions. Guess this is when you discover whether you truest him or not?
I think you will find that the secrecy has been initiated by the buyer, the seller will have nothing to do with it, and little if not any, control over it.
[cite]Posted By: TEL[/cite]I think you will find that the secrecy has been initiated by the buyer, the seller will have nothing to do with it, and little if not any, control over it.
[cite]Posted By: TEL[/cite]I think you will find that the secrecy has been initiated by the buyer, the seller will have nothing to do with it, and little if not any, control over it.
The buyer will reveal his HAND soon enough
:-)
Another clue I don't get ! ??
Don't you? Thought it was pretty obvious. Maybe a bit too much info in fact.
[cite]Posted By: TEL[/cite]I think you will find that the secrecy has been initiated by the buyer, the seller will have nothing to do with it, and little if not any, control over it.
The buyer will reveal his HAND soon enough
:-)
Another clue I don't get ! ??
Don't you? Thought it was pretty obvious. Maybe a bit too much info in fact.
I'm with SHG, dont have a f'ing clue as to who it is.......oh dear I'm getting old and becoming thicker!!!
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I believe Tony Fernandez (Lotus GP) was someone who always was in the background looking at buying us but that was about a year ago.
The Name Tony Jimenz keeps cropping up and i dont know why but maybe there is something in it.
I have tried to do a very basic bit of background work and seeing as we are purely speculating what can we find out about those mentioned in the thread.
Me i am honestly not too bothered its a bit like paeking at your xmas pressies it will spoil the surprise good or bad
So this is what i found (0n wiki i know but it is there)
A Dubai company could seal a £50million takeover of Charlton this week.
Zabeel Investments, a group owned by the Dubai royal family, will begin a detailed examination of Charlton's accounts after chairman Richard Murray said he would recommend the 'indicative offer' to the club's shareholders.
Happy Valley: Charlton could become the latest club in English football to move into foreign ownership
Zabeel has pledged to wipe out Charlton's £20m debt and provide funds to strengthen the team although one of the key concerns for the group is likely to be the squad's wage bill, which is understood to be one of the highest in the Championship.
Murray expects events to move swiftly, and the takeover could even be finalized this week.
Zabeel's interest is rumoured to have been nurtured by Tony Jimenez, who left his executive role at Newcastle last week.
Jimenez had been in Dubai trying to find a buyer for Newcastle.
Zabeel executive chairman Mohammed al-Hashimi said: 'The passion of the fans, the heritage of the club and the unique status that Charlton enjoy in the community make it
In my opinion it opens wounds i didnt want re opened but and its a big but if Jimenez is the one then maybe he has more money available to him not his own than any of us should be concerned about
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I would not be looking at the gulf region for this but a lot further east.[/quote]
Takeover takeaway!
Ditto but if the consortium is of the 'well off local businessmen' ilk then there should be some sort of message to supporters setting expectations. The longer the silence the more fans will believe that it is megabucks foreign investment of some sort.
The new owners of a club will do pretty much as they wish - the supporters are merely incidental to the process.
For example people are talking about Wise and Jiminez being a disaster but if the choice was either them as the only poeple willing to invest or the club going out of business or into admin then surely they should be looked at in a different light.
Perfect..
For example people are talking about Wise and Jiminez being a disaster but if the choice was either them as the only poeple willing to invest or the club going out of business or into admin then surely they should be looked at in a different light.[/quote]
That would be the only acceptable reason for even considering Wise and Jiminez.
But as others have suggested that might well be only a 'frying pan' and 'fire' situation, with the possibility of "property developer" Jiminez "developing" our assets (ground share with West Ham at the Olympic Stadium anyone....?).
In terms of their relative wealth I agree. Some people with more available money to invest in the Club than the current board, even if that is not hugely more, is a good thing.
Not sure I am comfortable with an argument of "anyone is better than Admin/receivership" to paraphrase your point Brunello.
As some middle eastern guy once said "what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?".
That would be great if true. Sooper
Though I'd be willing to matthew corbett we Bungle it up somehow
If it is Sooty and Sweep will anyone else have a hand in it ???
Murray has earned the right to make this decision. And Peter Varney's name attached to it should be enough to keep people calm about it.
People want to know because they can't bear to out of the loop, not for any real concern about who's money it is.
I think if anyone had asked before this bid whether we would accept investment from someone who didn't reveal their identity until they completed the takeover, we would have said yes.
Hopefully, they will be at the club for many years so if the price of that is not knowing who they are for a month, then I don't see that as too big a price to pay. If once they've completed the takeover they still didn't reveal their identity then of course we would have a legitimate reason to complain, but there has been no indication that this will be the case.
Richard Murray has said he wouldn't sell the club to someone who didn't have the right intentions. Guess this is when you discover whether you truest him or not?
The buyer will reveal his HAND soon enough
:-)
Another clue I don't get ! ??
Don't you? Thought it was pretty obvious. Maybe a bit too much info in fact.
I'm with SHG, dont have a f'ing clue as to who it is.......oh dear I'm getting old and becoming thicker!!!
Didn't he try to buy West Ham?
Asia's version of Ryan Air but seriously wealthy
He has money though, he runs his Lotus F1 team well so if he is behind the bid it wouldn't be the worse news in the world! Doubt it's him though
What no hot water in the toilets and no big screen? Oh, we do that already.
The Name Tony Jimenz keeps cropping up and i dont know why but maybe there is something in it.
I have tried to do a very basic bit of background work and seeing as we are purely speculating what can we find out about those mentioned in the thread.
Me i am honestly not too bothered its a bit like paeking at your xmas pressies it will spoil the surprise good or bad
So this is what i found (0n wiki i know but it is there)
A Dubai company could seal a £50million takeover of Charlton this week.
Zabeel Investments, a group owned by the Dubai royal family, will begin a detailed examination of Charlton's accounts after chairman Richard Murray said he would recommend the 'indicative offer' to the club's shareholders.
Happy Valley: Charlton could become the latest club in English football to move into foreign ownership
Zabeel has pledged to wipe out Charlton's £20m debt and provide funds to strengthen the team although one of the key concerns for the group is likely to be the squad's wage bill, which is understood to be one of the highest in the Championship.
Murray expects events to move swiftly, and the takeover could even be finalized this week.
Zabeel's interest is rumoured to have been nurtured by Tony Jimenez, who left his executive role at Newcastle last week.
Jimenez had been in Dubai trying to find a buyer for Newcastle.
Zabeel executive chairman Mohammed al-Hashimi said: 'The passion of the fans, the heritage of the club and the unique status that Charlton enjoy in the community make it
In my opinion it opens wounds i didnt want re opened but and its a big but if Jimenez is the one then maybe he has more money available to him not his own than any of us should be concerned about
Surely at least one is VERY old news....unless we've gained promotion already.
I'd vote "no" on this issue of confidentiality, mainly for the reasons others have given already.