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  • edited December 2013
    Well done Sheffield I hadn't realised we could do Rangers.

    The changes I would suggest are Greg Shields who could replace Gough at right back ( only on the basis that Gough never played in our first team),Kerkar to move to left back to replace Niemi,Johansson to go left midfield and strikers Iain Ferguson and John Macdonald to come in and complete a 4 3 3..

    To balance the Old Firm We are quite a few players short of a Celtic team so I will pick a 5 a side team

    Celtic: Tony Warner (never played in our first team), Paul Elliott,Mark Reid,Zheng Zhi and Jim Melrose.Sub Stuart Balmer (Never played in Celtic's first team.

    Interestingly we also could have a five a side teams of Motherwell and Hearts :

    Motherwell : Darren Randolph,Yassin Mouatakill,Alan Mccormack,Mark Gower,Francis Jeffers and Iain Ferguson as a sub.

    Hearts: Willie Duff,Michael Stewart,Eggert Jonsson,Iain Ferguson and Ricardo Fuller.

    Back to English clubs here is a stab at Man United although Cameron Stewart did not make it to their first team and Paul Rachupka didn't make it to ours:

    Paul Rachupka,Tony Young,Jon Spector,David Wilson,Frank Haydock,Michael Stewart,Cameron Stewart,Garth Crooks,Harold Halse (pre war striker),Keith Gillespie,Jesper Blomqvist Sub Eamon Dunphy (another former United youth who never made the first team).

  • PDC can play for Celtic.

    Hibs five a side - Tony Caig in goal, Joe McLoughlin, Soares, Akpo Sodje, Jonatan Johansson

    Niemi could go in the Hearts team and I think there were a few players from the early years to add to that, but I doubt there is enough to make an XI.

  • Cardiff City XI

    Ronnie Moore, Mark Hudson, Mark Aizlewood, Jermaine Darlington, Leighton Phillips, John Robinson, Paul Went, Mickey Bennett, Jay Bothroyd, J F HasselBaink, John Pearson,

    Subs Deon Burton & Stuart Fleetwood
  • edited January 2014
    Richard J said:

    Well done Sheffield I hadn't realised we could do Rangers.

    The changes I would suggest are Greg Shields who could replace Gough at right back ( only on the basis that Gough never played in our first team),Kerkar to move to left back to replace Niemi,Johansson to go left midfield and strikers Iain Ferguson and John Macdonald to come in and complete a 4 3 3..

    To balance the Old Firm We are quite a few players short of a Celtic team so I will pick a 5 a side team

    Celtic: Tony Warner (never played in our first team), Paul Elliott,Mark Reid,Zheng Zhi and Jim Melrose.Sub Stuart Balmer (Never played in Celtic's first team.

    Interestingly we also could have a five a side teams of Motherwell and Hearts :

    Motherwell : Darren Randolph,Yassin Mouatakill,Alan Mccormack,Mark Gower,Francis Jeffers and Iain Ferguson as a sub.

    Hearts: Willie Duff,Michael Stewart,Eggert Jonsson,Iain Ferguson and Ricardo Fuller.

    Back to English clubs here is a stab at Man United although Cameron Stewart did not make it to their first team and Paul Rachupka didn't make it to ours:

    Paul Rachupka,Tony Young,Jon Spector,David Wilson,Frank Haydock,Michael Stewart,Cameron Stewart,Garth Crooks,Harold Halse (pre war striker),Keith Gillespie,Jesper Blomqvist Sub Eamon Dunphy (another former United youth who never made the first team).

    Fat Ralph Milne for Cameron Stewart maybe?

    I believe he made both first teams albeit not often!
  • edited January 2014
    LenGlover said:

    Richard J said:

    Well done Sheffield I hadn't realised we could do Rangers.

    The changes I would suggest are Greg Shields who could replace Gough at right back ( only on the basis that Gough never played in our first team),Kerkar to move to left back to replace Niemi,Johansson to go left midfield and strikers Iain Ferguson and John Macdonald to come in and complete a 4 3 3..

    To balance the Old Firm We are quite a few players short of a Celtic team so I will pick a 5 a side team

    Celtic: Tony Warner (never played in our first team), Paul Elliott,Mark Reid,Zheng Zhi and Jim Melrose.Sub Stuart Balmer (Never played in Celtic's first team.

    Interestingly we also could have a five a side teams of Motherwell and Hearts :

    Motherwell : Darren Randolph,Yassin Mouatakill,Alan Mccormack,Mark Gower,Francis Jeffers and Iain Ferguson as a sub.

    Hearts: Willie Duff,Michael Stewart,Eggert Jonsson,Iain Ferguson and Ricardo Fuller.

    Back to English clubs here is a stab at Man United although Cameron Stewart did not make it to their first team and Paul Rachupka didn't make it to ours:

    Paul Rachupka,Tony Young,Jon Spector,David Wilson,Frank Haydock,Michael Stewart,Cameron Stewart,Garth Crooks,Harold Halse (pre war striker),Keith Gillespie,Jesper Blomqvist Sub Eamon Dunphy (another former United youth who never made the first team).

    Fat Ralph Milne for Cameron Stewart maybe?

    I believe he made both first teams albeit not often!

    Yes we could I also realised after I posted that I missed Graham Moore.

  • edited January 2014


    Cardiff City XI

    Ronnie Moore, Mark Hudson, Mark Aizlewood, Jermaine Darlington, Leighton Phillips, John Robinson, Paul Went, Mickey Bennett, Jay Bothroyd, J F HasselBaink, John Pearson,

    Subs Deon Burton & Stuart Fleetwood

    Good team,I didn't realise Darlington played for so many clubs.There is actually a mutual keeper in Ken Jones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Jones_(footballer_born_1936) Again ,Graham Moore could also feature.

    Ken Jones,Mark Hudson,Jermaine Darlington,Mark Aizlewood,,Paul Went,Leighton Phillips,Mickey Bennett,Jay Bothroyd,Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink,Graham Moore,John Robinson

  • Swansea City XI

    Eddie May*, Reuben Agboola, Paul Miller, Leighton Phillips, Shelvey, Cyril Davies, Mark Gower, Scott Sinclair, Pawel Abbott, Leroy Lita, Frank Nouble


    *out of position and involved in a management & not playing capacity for us

  • Swansea City XI

    Eddie May*, Reuben Agboola, Paul Miller, Leighton Phillips, Shelvey, Cyril Davies, Mark Gower, Scott Sinclair, Pawel Abbott, Leroy Lita, Frank Nouble


    *out of position and involved in a management & not playing capacity for us

    I did the Swans earlier in the thread and missed some strikers and Cyril Davies .Noel Dwyer is a mutual goalie, Eddie can manage the team but we would need to clone him in an Addicks South Wales derby so he could assist Lennie with Cardiff.

    This was my attempt:

    Noel Dwyer,Rueben Agboola,Fede Bessone,Jonjo Shelvey,Paul Miller,Leighton Phillips,Alan Davies ,Mark Gower,John Hendry,Scott Sinclair,John Salako.


  • Missed your team, it has a better balance than mine.
  • Richard J said:


    Cardiff City XI

    Ronnie Moore, Mark Hudson, Mark Aizlewood, Jermaine Darlington, Leighton Phillips, John Robinson, Paul Went, Mickey Bennett, Jay Bothroyd, J F HasselBaink, John Pearson,

    Subs Deon Burton & Stuart Fleetwood

    Good team,I didn't realise Darlington played for so many clubs.There is actually a mutual keeper in Ken Jones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Jones_(footballer_born_1936) Again ,Graham Moore could also feature.

    Ken Jones,Mark Hudson,Jermaine Darlington,Mark Aizlewood,,Paul Went,Leighton Phillips,Mickey Bennett,Jay Bothroyd,Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink,Graham Moore,John Robinson
    Agree with Richard J. There should definitely be a place for Graham Moore.
    Superb skipper for Charlton.

    Played for Cardiff, Chelsea, Man Utd and Northampton in top flight football.
    Capped 21 times for Wales.
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  • Never been on this thread before, good stuff. My choice would be the Spurs team as best, Reid, Parker, Murphy, Bent, lovely.
  • edited January 2014
    Thuram's debut completes another international team.

    Viva le France (plus French African colonies) probably a 4 5 1 formation.

    Thuram,Mouatoukill,Youga,Dervite,Diawara,Traore,Racon,Faye,Kermorgant,Kerkar,Evina.

    It is interesting that all of this side have played for us over the last 10 years whereas the Scottish and Welsh teams which I posted earlier rely on some very historical legendary players.Does this show where the balance of power in football is going ?

    For a similar contrast here is Eire which spreads back back to the 60's with Foley.I am delighted that I can now despose of Eamon Dunphy from the team.

    Dean Kiely,Paddy Mccarthy,Theo Foley,Matt Holland,Gary Doherty,Alan Kernaghan,Eamon Rogers,David Mooney,Ray Treacy,Mark Kinsella,Andy Reid
  • Never been on this thread before, good stuff. My choice would be the Spurs team as best, Reid, Parker, Murphy, Bent, lovely.

    Apart from Reid all of those would also 'qualify' for the Fulham team as well.


  • Grimsby Town XI

    Charlie Wright, Aswad Thomas, Andy Todd, Simon Francis, Danny Butterfield, Dean Sinclair, Bryan Hughes, Jason Lee, Clive Mendonca, Martin Pringle, Bradley Allen
  • Excellant team Sheffield the only changes I could make would be Andy Peake or Matt Tees for Aswad Thomas who only was an unused sub for us ,but that would further unbalance the team.It never ceases to amaze me what clubs you can do this exercise with.

    Probably the strongest 11 for a current non league side is Luton :

    Luton

    Dean Kiely,Matt Jackson,Alan Kimble,Mark Aizlewood,Paul Elliott,Chris Perry,Paul Walsh,Derek Hales,Matt Tees,Matt Spring,Kevin Nicholls.
  • Striker heavy Scunthorpe team

    GK: Tony Warner
    DF: Sweaty Balmer
    DF: Matt Elliot
    DF: Kelly Youga
    MF: Dany N'Guessan
    MF: Andy Hughes
    FW: Akpo Sodje
    FW: Kim Grant
    FW: Chris Iwelumo
    FW: Deon Burton
    FW: Paul Hayes

    SUB: Leon Clarke
  • edited January 2014

    Striker heavy Scunthorpe team

    GK: Tony Warner
    DF: Sweaty Balmer
    DF: Matt Elliot
    DF: Kelly Youga
    MF: Dany N'Guessan
    MF: Andy Hughes
    FW: Akpo Sodje
    FW: Kim Grant
    FW: Chris Iwelumo
    FW: Deon Burton
    FW: Paul Hayes

    SUB: Leon Clarke


    Two changes. As above for the Cardiff team one of our Goalies from the 1960's the sadly deceased Ken Jones played 168 times for Scunny before joining us so he can displace Warner,Josh Wright for Akpo with Kim Grant playing on the wing helps lessen the striker heavy nature of the team and makes it look a bit more viable,Hughes could slot into right back as well and go 4 3 3.

  • Continuing the non league theme

    Cambridge

    Nick Pope ,Garry Rowett,Alan Kimble,Danny O'Shea,Phil Chapple,Steve Dowman,Tony Towner,Martin Robinson,Mike Flanagan,Neil Heaney,Gary Kimble,
  • How long before we can do a Standard Liege XI?
  • How long before we can do a Standard Liege XI?


    Only a 5 a side team at the moment

    Thuram,Sorondo,Astrit,Koc,Mike Small

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  • Richard J said:

    Continuing the non league theme

    Cambridge

    Nick Pope ,Garry Rowett,Alan Kimble,Danny O'Shea,Phil Chapple,Steve Dowman,Tony Towner,Martin Robinson,Mike Flanagan,Neil Heaney,Gary Kimble,

    Surely got to put Morro in there ahead of Dowman & O'Shea...
  • Richard J said:

    Continuing the non league theme

    Cambridge

    Nick Pope ,Garry Rowett,Alan Kimble,Danny O'Shea,Phil Chapple,Steve Dowman,Tony Towner,Martin Robinson,Mike Flanagan,Neil Heaney,Gary Kimble,

    Surely got to put Morro in there ahead of Dowman & O'Shea...

    Fair point ,playing Dean Sinclair rather than Danny O'Shea would probably give it more balance also.

  • In celebration of last night and our forthcoming trip , here is an updated Sheffield derby using Addicks.

    This time it has complete subs benches .Personally I think the Massives would win this,although they would not have very mobile full backs.

    Sheffield United

    Nicky Johns , Simon Francis , Carl Tiler , Matt Spring , Simon Webster , Jon Fortune , Keith Gillespie ,Clive Mendonca ,Rob Hulse ,Andy Reid, Kyel Reid. Subs : Carl Ikeme,Chris Wilder,Alan McLeary, Greg Halford,Tony Towner,Marcus Bent,Andy Gray


    Wednesday : Scott Carson ,Michael Morrison , Lawrie Madden , Jose Semedo , Madjid Bougherra ,Peter Shirtliff ,Steve Mackenzie ,Paolo Di Canio , Mark Bright , Chris Bart-Williams ,Lloyd Sam. Subs Bob Bolder ,Miguel Llera, Richard Wood, Robbie Mustoe , Luke Varney, Gordon Watson , Paul Williams .
  • After posting the Sheffield United team above I realised I had made a major omission in that I forgot Graham Stuart.

    A flick through Colin Cameron's Valiant 500 has proved fruitful, I have identified a Keeper for the Derby team. Our 1930's custodian Henry Wright went on to play for the Rams after the emergence of Sam Bartram .Also incorporating Sheffieldreds improvements:

    Henry Wright, Danny Mills,Chris Powell, Christian Dailly ,Simon Webster,Garry Rowett,Robert Lee,Derek Hales,Dai Astley,Johnnie Jackson,Charlie Revell

    After their great escape here's Wycombe. Not much pace at the back with Basey and Doherty though :

    Ben Roberts,Nathan Ashton,Grant Basey,Peter Garland,Gary Doherty,Paul Emblem,Rob Lee,Ade Azeez,Paul Hayes,Matt Spring ,Mark Robson

    Sunderland . The balance is not good and it is striker heavy , but you could have 4 other keepers Ben Alnwick , Derek Forster Thomas Myhre or Peter Wakeham.

    Bob Bolder,Greg Halford,Rueben Agboola,Andy Gray,Talal El Khaouri,David Young,Paul Williams,Vic Halom, Darren Bent,Andy Reid,Martyn Waghorn
  • If George signs then a Standard 11 is now possible.

    Allowing for our new signings and Koc who never appeared in our first team.

    I am sure that there will be others to improve it in the years to come . I hadn't realised until someone mentioned it on the Ben Haim thread that the legendary Jorge Costa ended his career at Standard.

    GK Thuram RB Nego LB Ben Haim CB Jorge Costa CB Sorondo RM Reza CM Buyens CM AA LM Koc ST George ST Mike Small.

    Burnley with Bikey in midfield.

    Weaver ( unused sub for them ) , Todd ,Mceverley ,Bikey ,Cort , Pender,Campbell,Gray, Iwelumo ( or Sordell) ,O'Connell, Stewart.

    Rotherham including their new signings and Ronnie Moore appearing as a centre back.

    McDonagh (unused sub for us) Richardson,Minto,Campbell , Moore, Wood, Towner,Mendonca, Burton,Campbell-Ryce,Mullen. Subs Wilder,Friar , Halom
  • I'm not sure that Nego has actually been registered at Standard?

    He was playing in Italy, when Ujpest signed him.
  • Oggy Red said:

    I'm not sure that Nego has actually been registered at Standard?

    He was playing in Italy, when Ujpest signed him.

    According to wiki he played 2 games for Standard on loan from Roma.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loïc_Nego


  • edited August 2014
    The discovery of 1930's keeper Henry Wright for Derby encouraged me to pitch this idea of joint 11's for the programme and you saw the first result last night .

    After Rotherham's promotion I worked out that I can now pick teams for all of the CCC clubs in 2014/15. For Rotherham ,Huddersfield and Forest I have needed to use keepers who didn't actually play in our first team , but were all registered players . Jim McDonagh (Rotherham) and Paul Rachupka (Huddersfield) were unused subs ( indeed McDonagh could also feature for the Terriers ) and Forest's Paul Smith played for our academy and appeared in a pre season team photo in 1999/2000 . I also go back to the days of Wigan Borough a forerunner of the current club with Charlie 'Spider' Preddy to avoid the need to pick Scott Carson for Wigan Athletic .

    The only club I had a real problem with was Huddersfield .We could go back to the origins of the game and pick a 2 3 5 formation because Simon Webster and Eddie Youds were the only defenders I am aware of . In a departure from my normal rules Glyn Snodin who never played but coached at both clubs gets a run out at right back and I located a pre war player James Davies who only played for us but had been registered with them , to play left back . If anyone could give me other possible names I would be grateful .

    I also decided not to use players who still play for either Charlton or the club concerned . So that is the reason Johnnie Jackson did not appear in the Colchester team last night and will not feature for Derby or Watford . Similarly Dan Seaborne will be picked at left back for Bournemouth rather than Rhoys Wiggins . David Button is eligible for Bournemouth , so will be picked above Stephen Henderson but not for the mutual Brentford team . Marvin Sordell's recent move away from Bolton was a relief. Without him finding an appropriate forward for the Trotters within these rules would have been challenging. It is the opposite of Huddersfield in that we seem to have a lot of mutual defenders but apart from Sordell no forwards. Indeed the 2 new connections Ben Haim and Dervite would not make this any easier.

    I also have picked more historical players than previously to make the teams more interesting . In a couple of cases they fitted in perfectly for the exercise . My Blackburn team needed another defender and I found him in William Rankin a Scottish centre back who was a FA Cup winner for Rovers and was our most expensive signing in 1932 .Nottingham Forest is improved by the 1946 Cup final duo of Sailor Brown and Jack Oakes. Last night for Col U I picked Benny Fenton and Cyril Hammond in the midfield alongside Keith Jones and Mark Kinsella .

    If anyone has any comments and ideas of any other players please let me know .
  • I did a piece for Dr Kish about the mutual team programme article.

    I update my view about the West Ham team which has quite a few new possible members following the recent transfers.

    http://www.cafcpicks.com/cgi-bin/drkish/display.pl?month=201503&date=20150326&time=2203

    I haven't previously posted Swindon.

    GK Andy Pettersen RB Alan Mccormack ,LB Jay McEveley ,CB Jimmy Giles,CB Alan MacDonald ,RM Paul Gilchrist , CM Danny Hollands , CM Roger Smart ,LM Johnnie Jackson ,ST Ray Treacy ,ST Arthur Horsfield .

    As stated above I deliberately did not use current players for the programme teams. I also took into consideration their spells at the other club.

    For Brighton I selected Peter O'Sullivan and I actually was going to pick Mike Small on the basis that ( believe or not) he had a very successful spell at the Goldstone and crucially had partnered Garry Nelson there . That partnership even yielded a goal on the one full game when they played together for the Addicks against Millwall .A week before the game Darren Bent's move to Derby had made him 'eligible' so Benty was selected to partner Nelse.

    My Huddersfield dilemma was sorted out by my discovery that Alex Dyer played for the Terriers as a defender towards the end of his career and Diego Poyet's brief loan spell earlier in the season . Of course there was a certain ex England International Left Back who might have had a good claim had I still needed a connection rather than a mutual player. As a current Huddersfield player Mark Hudson was ineligible .

    Some other moves have almost fitted into a mutual team like a jigsaw piece .

    Scunthorpe signed Miguel Llera . This gives the team a better balance.

    GK Ken Jones ,RB Stuart Balmer , LB Kelly Youga , CB Matt Elliott , CB Miguel Llera , RM Kim Grant , CM Andy Hughes , CM Josh Wright,LM Dany N'Guessen ,ST Paul Hayes ,ST Chris Iwelumo

    Oldham. Neil Etheridge played in the JPT for them before moving to us , so unlike Paul Rachupka he has actually played in both first teams.

    Jay Mceveley joining Sheffield United means I have a proper left back for the Blades and do not need to shoe horn the left footed centre back and occasional left back Carl Tiler into the team.

    Roger Johnson fits like a glove into the Wycombe team as a second central defender with Gary Doherty as well as potentially improving Birmingham , Cardiff , Massives ,West Ham and Wolves .

  • I wrote a mutual team article for Dr Kish yesterday about West Ham . I plan to do this as a regular feature this season.

    http://www.cafcpicks.com/cgi-bin/drkish/display.pl?month=201507&date=20150725&time=1034
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