As I've posted elsewhere, we currently sit in our worst league position in 85 years, equalling the 14th place in which we finished in div three in 1973/74.
You do wonder how much worse it can get and how much lower we have to sink before everyone agrees that perhaps the time has come to give someone else a go!
Get rid now, don't wait for the situation to become irretrievable.
And as for our fans being 'fickle' after they have watched utter shit for the last 3-4 seasons and kept coming back and parting with their hard-earned cash in increasingly difficult times - well that suggestion is beneath contempt and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it.
P.S There are still people mentioning AC's name.......please stop. He isn't coming back and we need to face up to the fact. P.P.S IMO We can't blame muzza for not appointing Gus Poyet - he was an unknown quantity. We can criticise him if he fails to act in order to save our season though. What Nicholas said sent a shiver down my spine as I recognised how easily it could become a reality. Christ, I hope not.
A lot of us (myself included) seem to have decided this game was a pivotal one where final judgement would be passed on Parkinson.
Why?
Maybe we would be better off viewing it in isolation; brittle work-in-progress team gets tonked by high riding settled side brimming with confidence.
Certainly that's how Parky will see it and why he won't walk, yet.
I do think the next few games may decide his fate; results, fans reaction and Murrays stated expectation of a top six finish.
I do despair that there is a greater malaise at work than just Parky though.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the team and the fans; and as much as the team are doing nothing to excite us, the flacid, silent, resigned masses yesterday (myself included) do nothing to lift or energise our players.
An indefinable "something" needs to happen to break the malaise
Replacing the manager may or may not be the answer; it hasn't been recently.
But Parky needs to get results now or it will soon become the primary option on the table
For the last couple of years my two boys, age 8 and 10, have had season tickets. Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch they've still enjoyed themselves and been Charlton through and through. So far this season though I can see their faith wavering, and the last 30 minutes yesterday was the first time they've asked to leave early (cruel Dad that I am I made us stay to the bitter end).
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
I do despair that there is a greater malaise at work than just Parky though.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the team and the fans; and as much as the team are doing nothing to excite us, the flacid, silent, resigned masses yesterday (myself included) do nothing to lift or energise our players.
this team has had great support on the whole this season. We have better and more vocal support that most of the teams in the league and look at the support they got at millwall in both ties last season before bottling it twice with a spectatcularly impotent performance at their place.
IT IS NOT THE FANS FAULT!
Any player or manager that blames the fans needs to grow some fucking balls and start playing for the shirt. Earn our respect if your fucking egos are so fragile instead of picking up your money and coasting along each week doing something the rest of us would probably do for a club we would die for.
Apparently Brighton were booed by their supporters following a disappointing performance last week. They responded by tonking us 4-0.
If fans get on the back of a team, it is up to that team and those players how they respond. They can either go and hide. Or they can do what Brighton did yesterday and fight to restore their damaged pride.
Parky said lat night he didn't blame the fans for booing yesterday's debacle. It's down to him now to get the same response v Carlisle that Poyet got out of his players against us yesterday.
Given we are currently sitting in our worst league position in 85 years (equalling the 14th in div three which Hales and Flanagan and company managed in 73/74), I think it's amazing that our supporters are as patient as they are.
I'm only repeating what I read LforE, as I wasn' t there. But here, for example, is the Guardian's match report of Brighton v Bournemouth last week:
''Four wins and one draw in September helped propel the Seagulls to the top and earned Poyet the manager of the month award but many fans seem unconvinced.
After a first half in which the only really promising chance for either side was a weak 10-yard shot from Glenn Murray, fans became restless at the home team's circuitous build-up. Backwards passes were booed and cries of "launch it" were frequent. Those jeers turned to cheers in the 61st minute when Gary Dicker rolled a free-kick short to Kazenga Lualua and the Newcastle loanee crashed in a low shot from 25 yards.
The frustration returned, however, as Bournemouth gained the ascendancy by hitting long balls towards Fletcher, who had arrived as substitute straight after Brighton's goal. "If the fans want Brighton to change our style of play when we're at the top, then they need another manager," Poyet said.
"The team will play the way I want them to play, it's my team and my decision. If somebody starts panicking and kicking long because the fans shout, he's going to be out of the team. That's very clear."
Man united got booed off yesterday by their idiots...did ferguson and Vidic start crying and say that they need the fans to get behind them like chelsea and barcelonas always do regardless of the perfromance?
No they hold their hands up and take responsibilty by saying they werent good enough and should have been better and will no doubt go out and be up for it next game and tonk the opposition.
Man up.....you are playing football not defusing bombs in Afghanistan.
Difference is Ferguson can point to two European Cups, a dozen or so Premier league titles and has a team stuffed full of internationals. It's hardly the same thing as a lacllustre bunch of journeyman pros trying to find some direction.
I do despair that there is a greater malaise at work than just Parky though.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the team and the fans; and as much as the team are doing nothing to excite us, the flacid, silent, resigned masses yesterday (myself included) do nothing to lift or energise our players.
this team has had great support on the whole this season. We have better and more vocal support that most of the teams in the league and look at the support they got at millwall in both ties last season before bottling it twice with a spectatcularly impotent performance at their place.
IT IS NOT THE FANS FAULT!
I agree entirely it's not the fans fault - only a plonker like Pardew would take that view.
I was just thinking there were times yesterday, particularly early second half at 0-1 when a bit of rousing vocal support might have lifted the players to go that extra mile.
I also feel that our dramatic descent has made it very difficult for the fans to adjust their expectations - I suspect there is nobody here who takes the view that Parky's work-in-progress is a 2 to 3 season project although that is probably the reality (notwithstanding we probably won't last that long if we don't go up sooner)
The fans, rightly or wrongly expect more.
Having sais all that I don't get to many away games; so I'll take your word Rodders that the support has actually been pretty good
As you say they are pros.....professionals and some of them experienced ones at that. They are not youth team players who are overawed by the occasion.
The supporters who keep them in a job are not to blame and if the poor little lambs are looking for some direction then ill buy them all a compass and send them a link to multi map.
I went around to Bartrams after the game as usual. I expected to see a mob gathering to at least ask questions, but there was but a small queue for tickets. Bartrams was virtually empty compared to recent seasons as well. The sheer number of diehards on this board alone saying they may not or wont be going until there is a change should be enough to rightly propel any chairman to make the right decision....let alone the poor excuse we have of a management team and the lamentable coaching staff. Alas, Ive said it for a while now, there is a cozyness down at the Valley, its almost like a jobs for life for the boys type "Gentlemans" club
Having said that, the Chairman in particular has time and again put his money, where his mouth is, and all credit to him alone for that. But the frightening prospect that really could become a reality is Charlton playing in front of sub 10,000 crowds again in a Premier league stadium and all the costs and infrastructure associated with running it. That simply isnt possible on small crowds, its a struggle now. The same old things are being said now as were said in the lead up to Pardew going....Lessons are put in front of us to learn, we seem to continue making the same mistakes again and again and again, and as I said elsewhere, it just makes me sad.
[cite]Posted By: LeaburnForEngland[/cite]For the last couple of years my two boys, age 8 and 10, have had season tickets. Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch they've still enjoyed themselves and been Charlton through and through. So far this season though I can see their faith wavering, and the last 30 minutes yesterday was the first time they've asked to leave early (cruel Dad that I am I made us stay to the bitter end).
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
[cite]Posted By: LeaburnForEngland[/cite]For the last couple of years my two boys, age 8 and 10, have had season tickets. Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch they've still enjoyed themselves and been Charlton through and through. So far this season though I can see their faith wavering, and the last 30 minutes yesterday was the first time they've asked to leave early (cruel Dad that I am I made us stay to the bitter end).
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
I know what your kids go through then mate (im 15)..the amount of abuse i took last year especially after losing to Northwich Victoria on the telly..majority are premier league teams fans so if their side loses i take the mickey back, the reply i get is...'at least were not League 1. Some of my mates actually like the way i support my local team no matter how crap they are playing but to lose results like that makes us look pathetic. I have enjoyed some great memiories of the past including games last year like Leeds..i can't see those results happening this season unless Parky is not here.
The way i look at it every game ive seen us play this season win, lose or draw, weve looked the weaker team in every match, except plymouth didnt go, when you have less of the ball, not going to be able to create as much as other the team. Overall i think a new manager and backroom staff needed becuase the manager aint got a clue, first half yesterday with their diamond, didnt change it or try to match up with them.
[cite]Posted By: LeaburnForEngland[/cite]For the last couple of years my two boys, age 8 and 10, have had season tickets. Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch they've still enjoyed themselves and been Charlton through and through. So far this season though I can see their faith wavering, and the last 30 minutes yesterday was the first time they've asked to leave early (cruel Dad that I am I made us stay to the bitter end).
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
I know what your kids go through then mate (im 15)..the amount of abuse i took last year especially after losing to Northwich Victoria on the telly..majority are premier league teams fans so if their side loses i take the mickey back, the reply i get is...'at least were not League 1. Some of my mates actually like the way i support my local team no matter how crap they are playing but to lose results like that makes us look pathetic. I have enjoyed some great memiories of the past including games last year like Leeds..i can't see those results happening this season unless Parky is not here.
Both quality posts but to Stubley I say - I remember a similar thing during my schooldays as the only Charlton fan in the school-but even then I said Balls to all those plastics who support the gloryboys because they get to watch them on Tv week in and week out. Because I was actually there watching my football in actual being there real 3d so I took the moral high ground, and you must too! Good luck to you though because when I was at school Lennie Lawrence was the manager and his teams had Grit(t) both literally and metaphorically!
Who wrote that guff on the os that a smattering of fans booed the team off? Hardly a smattering and let's not forget that about 12,000 had already walked out in disgust. After a normal game it takes me till six to get home. I stayed to the end and chatted with friends strolled back to the car and was home by five forty five, no traffic at all. If we had all stayed it would have been deafening at the end. I suppose though that it is the os so must be telling the truth.
Parkinson was the cheap option at the time, very unpopular with the fans but the board went with him. Admittedly he had a hard job in his first season but didn't do it very well. He was then, for some strange reason given a contract extension that seemed to be madness.
We should have got promoted last year, no question about that. We dropped some very silly points mainly due to Parkinsons inability to change things went it's not going well. Failure to get promotion should have meant the end for Parkinson but we couldn't afford to sack him because of that ridiculous contract extension.
We have to cut our losses now, pay him off, do whatever is neccesary and get rid of him before he takes this club further down.
[cite]Posted By: D_F_T[/cite]Parkinson was the cheap option at the time, very unpopular with the fans but the board went with him. Admittedly he had a hard job in his first season but didn't do it very well. He was then, for some strange reason given a contract extension that seemed to be madness.
We should have got promoted last year, no question about that. We dropped some very silly points mainly due to Parkinsons inability to change things went it's not going well. Failure to get promotion should have meant the end for Parkinson but we couldn't afford to sack him because of that ridiculous contract extension.
We have to cut our losses now, pay him off, do whatever is neccesary and get rid of him before he takes this club further down.
Parky was given a contract extension because we were in the top 3 & Reading were after him. If he'd gone to "his" club, then a lot of supporters would have moaned that we let him walk away, because he only had a few months left on his contract.
I don't agree that we should have got promoted no question. Have you forgotten about Norwich & Leeds who both had better squads than us ?
I'm not supporting Parky, I'm sitting on the fence or happy to replace him if we can come up with someone better.
[cite]Posted By: LeaburnForEngland[/cite]For the last couple of years my two boys, age 8 and 10, have had season tickets. Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch they've still enjoyed themselves and been Charlton through and through. So far this season though I can see their faith wavering, and the last 30 minutes yesterday was the first time they've asked to leave early (cruel Dad that I am I made us stay to the bitter end).
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
I know what your kids go through then mate (im 15)..the amount of abuse i took last year especially after losing to Northwich Victoria on the telly..majority are premier league teams fans so if their side loses i take the mickey back, the reply i get is...'at least were not League 1. Some of my mates actually like the way i support my local team no matter how crap they are playing but to lose results like that makes us look pathetic. I have enjoyed some great memiories of the past including games last year like Leeds..i can't see those results happening this season unless Parky is not here.
Both quality posts but to Stubley I say - I remember a similar thing during my schooldays as the only Charlton fan in the school-but even then I said Balls to all those plastics who support the gloryboys because they get to watch them on Tv week in and week out. Because I was actually there watching my football in actual being there real 3d so I took the moral high ground, and you must too! Good luck to you though because when I was at school Lennie Lawrence was the manager and his teams had Grit(t) both literally and metaphorically!
Cheers Pilchard, i have got used to it a lot, even more now recently. Anyone who is a Charlton fan right now is in the same boat, we just have to live with it! I will never forget the day after Swindon in the Play Offs when at least one in every 3 people would mention the result to me. However, when the Spanners got to Wembley, all of my classmates were saying how well they were playing and how they deserved to be promoted. It made my hatred for Millwall go even higher!
You're right mate, I have gone from being the only Charlton fan at school to the only one at work! But to be honest despite the trials and tribulations my belief that CAFC are a fundamentally decent and great club have never changed. I find more knowledgeable football fans generally have mainly good things to say about us and wish us well in getting back to a higher place, the ones who rubbish us are mainly fans of the Sky 4 who think football came to planet earth in 1992 and was invented by Richard Keys and Andy Gray!
Football moves in cycles and to be fair we are having a bad one at present, when all the Spanners and Nigels have a pop politely remind them that whilst they look down on us in table terms- we tower above them in history and prestige terms and our history suggests we will rise again (even if after saturday it seems hard to believe!!) keep the faith mate!
[cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]I find more knowledgeable football fans generally have mainly good things to say about us and wish us well in getting back to a higher place, the ones who rubbish us are mainly fans of the Sky 4 who think football came to planet earth in 1992 and was invented by Richard Keys and Andy Gray!
Yep, I find the same thing. My answer is normally "when you've seen your team play in the flesh more often than I have, THEN you get the right to take the piss." Most of them haven't.
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You do wonder how much worse it can get and how much lower we have to sink before everyone agrees that perhaps the time has come to give someone else a go!
And as for our fans being 'fickle' after they have watched utter shit for the last 3-4 seasons and kept coming back and parting with their hard-earned cash in increasingly difficult times - well that suggestion is beneath contempt and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it.
P.S There are still people mentioning AC's name.......please stop. He isn't coming back and we need to face up to the fact.
P.P.S IMO We can't blame muzza for not appointing Gus Poyet - he was an unknown quantity. We can criticise him if he fails to act in order to save our season though. What Nicholas said sent a shiver down my spine as I recognised how easily it could become a reality. Christ, I hope not.
Why?
Maybe we would be better off viewing it in isolation; brittle work-in-progress team gets tonked by high riding settled side brimming with confidence.
Certainly that's how Parky will see it and why he won't walk, yet.
I do think the next few games may decide his fate; results, fans reaction and Murrays stated expectation of a top six finish.
I do despair that there is a greater malaise at work than just Parky though.
There is a symbiotic relationship between the team and the fans; and as much as the team are doing nothing to excite us, the flacid, silent, resigned masses yesterday (myself included) do nothing to lift or energise our players.
An indefinable "something" needs to happen to break the malaise
Replacing the manager may or may not be the answer; it hasn't been recently.
But Parky needs to get results now or it will soon become the primary option on the table
I'm now starting to think that for their long term support it's best we don't go until this clown clears off. Sitting through 90 minutes of that dross each week while their plastic Premier League supporting mates at school take the mickey is going to turn them off Charlton. The fact that my EIGHT YEAR OLD was asking why Dailley was playing right back, and why he was running up the wing while Martin drifted inside sums it up. An eight year old can see things that Parkinson can't. Clueless clueless clueless.
Poyet was on the side shouting instructions and orchestrating his team throughout. Parky and Breaker just stood there every now and again shouting and pointing at no-one in particular. We never look like scoring and we can't defend, and our midfield is over run week in, week out. Complete joke.
(Oh yes, my boys go to school in Brighton as well so this was even more painful for them!)
I will no doubt be there in a fortnight, as will my kids, but I fear the worst. If we lose then I think the whole ground will turn, at least I hope it will. Surely Murray will have to listen then?
this team has had great support on the whole this season. We have better and more vocal support that most of the teams in the league and look at the support they got at millwall in both ties last season before bottling it twice with a spectatcularly impotent performance at their place.
IT IS NOT THE FANS FAULT!
Any player or manager that blames the fans needs to grow some fucking balls and start playing for the shirt. Earn our respect if your fucking egos are so fragile instead of picking up your money and coasting along each week doing something the rest of us would probably do for a club we would die for.
Apparently Brighton were booed by their supporters following a disappointing performance last week. They responded by tonking us 4-0.
If fans get on the back of a team, it is up to that team and those players how they respond. They can either go and hide. Or they can do what Brighton did yesterday and fight to restore their damaged pride.
Parky said lat night he didn't blame the fans for booing yesterday's debacle. It's down to him now to get the same response v Carlisle that Poyet got out of his players against us yesterday.
Given we are currently sitting in our worst league position in 85 years (equalling the 14th in div three which Hales and Flanagan and company managed in 73/74), I think it's amazing that our supporters are as patient as they are.
''Four wins and one draw in September helped propel the Seagulls to the top and earned Poyet the manager of the month award but many fans seem unconvinced.
After a first half in which the only really promising chance for either side was a weak 10-yard shot from Glenn Murray, fans became restless at the home team's circuitous build-up. Backwards passes were booed and cries of "launch it" were frequent. Those jeers turned to cheers in the 61st minute when Gary Dicker rolled a free-kick short to Kazenga Lualua and the Newcastle loanee crashed in a low shot from 25 yards.
The frustration returned, however, as Bournemouth gained the ascendancy by hitting long balls towards Fletcher, who had arrived as substitute straight after Brighton's goal. "If the fans want Brighton to change our style of play when we're at the top, then they need another manager," Poyet said.
"The team will play the way I want them to play, it's my team and my decision. If somebody starts panicking and kicking long because the fans shout, he's going to be out of the team. That's very clear."
No they hold their hands up and take responsibilty by saying they werent good enough and should have been better and will no doubt go out and be up for it next game and tonk the opposition.
Man up.....you are playing football not defusing bombs in Afghanistan.
I agree entirely it's not the fans fault - only a plonker like Pardew would take that view.
I was just thinking there were times yesterday, particularly early second half at 0-1 when a bit of rousing vocal support might have lifted the players to go that extra mile.
I also feel that our dramatic descent has made it very difficult for the fans to adjust their expectations - I suspect there is nobody here who takes the view that Parky's work-in-progress is a 2 to 3 season project although that is probably the reality (notwithstanding we probably won't last that long if we don't go up sooner)
The fans, rightly or wrongly expect more.
Having sais all that I don't get to many away games; so I'll take your word Rodders that the support has actually been pretty good
The supporters who keep them in a job are not to blame and if the poor little lambs are looking for some direction then ill buy them all a compass and send them a link to multi map.
Having said that, the Chairman in particular has time and again put his money, where his mouth is, and all credit to him alone for that. But the frightening prospect that really could become a reality is Charlton playing in front of sub 10,000 crowds again in a Premier league stadium and all the costs and infrastructure associated with running it. That simply isnt possible on small crowds, its a struggle now. The same old things are being said now as were said in the lead up to Pardew going....Lessons are put in front of us to learn, we seem to continue making the same mistakes again and again and again, and as I said elsewhere, it just makes me sad.
Yesterday however, there was a noticeable difference, as if we had given up pre match just because Brighton were going to be noisy.
Less standers in the North Upper than Dagenham and Franchise and definitely less noise, a mystery.
Unless we WIN at Carlisle, Sheff Wed at home is going to be horrible, quite thankful for that wedding invite now.
All I can say is that if Charlton supporters were French, then they'd be a general strike for the next home game.
It's like we are on the M25 there is no end, just continual failings.
This is the only post Mr. Murray needs to read.
I know what your kids go through then mate (im 15)..the amount of abuse i took last year especially after losing to Northwich Victoria on the telly..majority are premier league teams fans so if their side loses i take the mickey back, the reply i get is...'at least were not League 1. Some of my mates actually like the way i support my local team no matter how crap they are playing but to lose results like that makes us look pathetic. I have enjoyed some great memiories of the past including games last year like Leeds..i can't see those results happening this season unless Parky is not here.
Both quality posts but to Stubley I say - I remember a similar thing during my schooldays as the only Charlton fan in the school-but even then I said Balls to all those plastics who support the gloryboys because they get to watch them on Tv week in and week out. Because I was actually there watching my football in actual being there real 3d so I took the moral high ground, and you must too! Good luck to you though because when I was at school Lennie Lawrence was the manager and his teams had Grit(t) both literally and metaphorically!
We should have got promoted last year, no question about that. We dropped some very silly points mainly due to Parkinsons inability to change things went it's not going well. Failure to get promotion should have meant the end for Parkinson but we couldn't afford to sack him because of that ridiculous contract extension.
We have to cut our losses now, pay him off, do whatever is neccesary and get rid of him before he takes this club further down.
Parky was given a contract extension because we were in the top 3 & Reading were after him. If he'd gone to "his" club, then a lot of supporters would have moaned that we let him walk away, because he only had a few months left on his contract.
I don't agree that we should have got promoted no question. Have you forgotten about Norwich & Leeds who both had better squads than us ?
I'm not supporting Parky, I'm sitting on the fence or happy to replace him if we can come up with someone better.
Good example for someone in SE7?
Cheers Pilchard, i have got used to it a lot, even more now recently. Anyone who is a Charlton fan right now is in the same boat, we just have to live with it! I will never forget the day after Swindon in the Play Offs when at least one in every 3 people would mention the result to me. However, when the Spanners got to Wembley, all of my classmates were saying how well they were playing and how they deserved to be promoted. It made my hatred for Millwall go even higher!
Football moves in cycles and to be fair we are having a bad one at present, when all the Spanners and Nigels have a pop politely remind them that whilst they look down on us in table terms- we tower above them in history and prestige terms and our history suggests we will rise again (even if after saturday it seems hard to believe!!) keep the faith mate!