[cite]Posted By: MickeyBennett[/cite]I'm generally a fan of Racon, but he was poor today.
Llera made me very nervous today. Missed tackles, and backed off too much
Agree with that. Thought Reid and Waggy switched well in the first half but both looked tired at the death.
Ref was poor missing numerous bear hugs on Abbott but the west side lino was worse - he seemed to make decisions by tossing a coin - at least it evened out
Oldham were not worth a point today. Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward. It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football. Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves. Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday. Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues. Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
A niggly game - too many fouls and the ref kept stopping play meant that the game struggled to get going or find its shape.
Oldham were ok, looked confident and composed as they should on a good run of results, perhaps it was our misfortune to play them at this time? Nevertheless they were culpable for stopping the game from flowing.
Next week Dailly and Semedo will return and we need to discover a striker, Oldham knew too much about Abbott and stopped him effectively, Martin looked useful, but another outlet might have won it for us.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]
i thought you were bloody impressive pal to be honest a lot better than last season and you have a lot to look forward to under dickov nice football at times pressure and bullying at others i liked it well done you were deserved of 3 points today imo
Cheers pal. The main thing I'm looking forward to is beating teams at home we should be beating. Getting good points whilst on the road is a bonus. We have Yeovil and Bristol R at home next before a tricky task of Peterborough away. If we can keeptthis momentum going and our workrate and fitness up then I don't see why we can't win those home games. And go into the P'boro game top.
I still think we'll finish midtable this season, but there's a lot of potential in this team.
You'll be knocking on the door of autos I think, playoffs minimum. Good luck anyway. Parkies has always appeared a pretty humble guy to me, not many managers like to credit opposing teams.
good luck mate enjoy the season i hope it delivers for you on todays performance i reckon we will close place wise all year like your lot i think we cant afford to not have our best players available if we do have them playing i can see both of us being tough oposition for anyone especially the bigger teams
you as a club have had it rough always thought you were similart to us having to compete in a tight area with some big clubs good luck i mean it
[quote][cite]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]Oldham were not worth a point today. Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward. It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football. Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves. Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday. Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues. Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?[/quote] Ah yes, you mean this oldham side who clearly had double the attempts that your team had on goal. From what some of your fans have said, we seem to have been the better team, especially in the second half?
Also what happened to them big wins that you was predicting against us? :D
[cite]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]Oldham were not worth a point today.
Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward.
It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football.
Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves.
Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday.
Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues.
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
you must have watched a different game to me they played some nice to feet football and got through us to easily if they had a goal scorer today they would have won nailed on fact..
i dont think they have not been given enough credit for a hard fought hard earned point
[cite]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]Oldham were not worth a point today.
Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward.
It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football.
Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves.
Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday.
Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues.
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
I dont know what game you were watching .
Oldham hit the post and Elliot was tested far more than their keeper, in fact their keeper wont get many easier games.
Well done Oldham . a point is the LEAST you deserved.
Oldham definitely deserved a point. We didn't have enough about us, but as said they obviously knew a lot about Abbott and if we get a striker and winger in we can mix things up a bit more.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]Oldham were not worth a point today.
Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward.
It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football.
Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves.
Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday.
Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues.
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
I dont know what game you were watching .
Oldham hit the post and Elliot was tested far more than their keeper, in fact their keeper wont get many easier games.
Well done Oldham . a point is the LEAST you deserved.
yep same from me mainly on their last 50 mins of play
positives for me were we rlled oour sleves up and hung in there we didnt attack enough because they were in our face kicking lumps out of us and competeing anyone who does that deserves to get something from the game if we had competed in certain games in that manor last season we would have turnt losses to draws and draws to win and we wouldnt be in this shit league where you have to compete in every game just to get into it..
thosse looking for crisp arsenal style football it aint going to happen in this league
[cite]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
Er ..... they scored a cracker, hit the post twice, had one cleared off the line and Robbie pulled off two very good saves. If that's parking the bus then what did you make of their last trip to SE7?!
thosse looking for crisp arsenal style football it aint going to happen in this league
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And realistically it isn't going to happen with our squad either. Not that I think that is a bad thing, you need to have a physical threat to escape this division and have to have players who won't get intimidated by other sides. Maybe last year we were asoft touch at times and a plus from today was that we handled the physical stuff from Oldham pretty well.
I thought Oldham were the better team, sharper passing and unlucky not to get the winner. Racon cant boss that midfield, he's passing isn't up to it no his tackling. He might have one good game in fifteen, Its not enough. Llera scares me everytime he gets it, Francis was very poor with his distribution and was slow to anticipate their play has were the rest of the defence. Still dont think their is an immediate need to worry because we'll play like that again and win. Couple more faces and it'll be ok. Overall enjoyed my first game of the season back at the valley. Cheers Bigmac and NLA
Thought we were poor throughout. We looked off the pace from the start and we sat way too deep.
If ever a game showed our lack of depth it was today. Absolutely crying out for a change after 55-60mins but other than Akpo we had nothing on the bench at all.
Personally thought Racon stunk the place out today. Offered nothing. Personally would have made a double swap when we did. Racon & Martin off and Fry & Akpo on. Would have pushed Jackson into central midfield and had Fry at left back.
Ref's at this level get worse and worse. Abbott got a going over, shirt pulled, pushed about all over the place and barely got a decision all afternoon. How the hell there was only 5mins added I'll never know. 5mins were added at the end of B'Mouth & Orient - how could it be the same today?.
Agree with the comments re: Wagstaff. He was anonymous today - we have an issue there as there is effectively no-one pushing him for that place. We need that sorted asap.
Hopefully Francis will improve. Thought he had a poor game today. Cheaply giving the ball away and offering no threat going forward.
Missed Christian Dailly big time today. The cohesion at the back disappeared. No leadership.
Hope the players we are after will come in this week. Would like to see 2 perms + maybe a couple of loans. Bench was worringly poor today.
As for Oldham - mirror image of Dickov. Played alright. Nothing overly special. Worth a point. The reaction to the sending off was pure Dickov - absolutely blatant yellow card and a pathetically childish reaction from Jarrett.
It boggles the mind that anyone watching that game can think that Oldham 'parked the bus'. Their football in the first half was as good as any I've seen an away team play since the championship - and better than most of those teams for that matter.
Second half they were ok as well - the only thing that pissed me off about them was the constant manhandling of Abbott by their centre-half. Even that was the ref's fault for not pulling him in it. As for timewasting, their keeper only did exactly what Elliott does every time we're one up with 15 minutes left.
No complaints at all about the result - thought Oldham were well worth the point and could have won it.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Saw in the corner of my eye someone on Charlton Life on their phone. West Upper sitting with his two boys.
Where were you sat Scoh? Must have been very close to me cos I saw this too at half time.
Overall I thought we played okay, bit shaky at the back but otherwise much like we did against Bournemouth and Orient, just it's being viewed differently because we didn't win. I still saw some nice touches though and evidence that we've got invention about our play that will see us create chances this season. Credit to Oldham, they played well and made life uncomfortable for us - talk about a team in their managers image, even down to trying to take pretty much every re-start in the wrong place.
We were a bit unlucky with the ref, he let a lot of stuff go that many refs wouldn't have - had Oldham's niggly stuff like all the shirt puling on Abbott been stamped down on then we might have won, but at least he tried to let it flow and it made for an entertaining game. West Stand lino was bloody hopeless though.
Disappointed we didn't win but more positives than negatives I think and signs that as this team gels we'll become a handful and I think if Oldham can play like that regularly we won't be the only one of the promotion hopefuls they frustrate so nothing to get too upset about, imo.
LMFAO , thats why I don't post that much now,Francis is like watching a shit herman heraidson.Solly go mate if you can't get in the team before that twat mate it aint worth it. ROTHKO if thats Parky's sticlk i'll bash the twat.Solly you may have best go mate.
We were a bit lucky to get a draw. Oldham were very determined and had more chances to win. That fantastic goal stirred them up. Robbie saved us with his good saves. Francis made mistakes but his height is good and he will probably turn out alright. Racon drifted out of the game and they took control despite Mac playing well. Semedo will fix that next week. I remember an Ipswich fan saying how frustrating Martin was and I see what he means. He has all the skills but takes wrong options. He can still be a big asset for us. We are still a developing team so 7/9 points is very good. I think Oldham will be in the mix at the end of the season.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]LMFAO , thats why I don't post that much now,Francis is like watching a shit herman heraidson.Solly go mate if you can't get in the team before that twat mate it aint worth it. ROTHKO if thats Parky's sticlk i'll bash the twat.Solly you may have best go mate.
Absolute proof, as if it were needed, that you shouldn't post when pished.
;o)
I think Large has been vindicated. He was slated by some on here last week by having a go at Parky for dropping Solly for Francis last week, but I think today shows that Solly deserves his chance again.
As for the rest..............today shows that we need a creative midfielder and a decent striker. Also shows the lack of experience and quality we have on thr bench, apart from ASolly & Sodje. To have a bench which includes Worner,Fry, Mambo, Stavrinou and Tuna is suicide. No league starts for us between them and an average age under 20.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]LMFAO , thats why I don't post that much now,Francis is like watching a shit herman heraidson.Solly go mate if you can't get in the team before that twat mate it aint worth it. ROTHKO if thats Parky's sticlk i'll bash the twat.Solly you may have best go mate.
There's nothing like giving a bloke a few games before deciding he's crap . Give the guy a chance we have only played three league games.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]LMFAO , thats why I don't post that much now,Francis is like watching a shit herman heraidson.Solly go mate if you can't get in the team before that twat mate it aint worth it. ROTHKO if thats Parky's sticlk i'll bash the twat.Solly you may have best go mate.
Absolute proof, as if it were needed, that you shouldn't post when pished.
;o)
the geezer is too slow, he don't aticipate feck all.We need a foil forabbott/sod je and Martin isn;'t it he needs a free role.I was proved correct with the clown my friends, and im sorry but if abbott plays for Charlton so do I
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]the geezer is too slow, he don't aticipate feck all.We need a foil forabbott/sod je and Martin isn;'t it he needs a free role.I was proved correct with the clown my friends, and im sorry but if abbott plays for Charlton so do I
Now im really confused. Is it Francis you want out the team or Abbot or maybe it's both? hic
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Ref was poor missing numerous bear hugs on Abbott but the west side lino was worse - he seemed to make decisions by tossing a coin - at least it evened out
Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward.
It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football.
Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves.
Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday.
Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues.
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?
Oldham were ok, looked confident and composed as they should on a good run of results, perhaps it was our misfortune to play them at this time? Nevertheless they were culpable for stopping the game from flowing.
Next week Dailly and Semedo will return and we need to discover a striker, Oldham knew too much about Abbott and stopped him effectively, Martin looked useful, but another outlet might have won it for us.
Still we're unbeaten in the League.
good luck mate enjoy the season i hope it delivers for you on todays performance i reckon we will close place wise all year like your lot i think we cant afford to not have our best players available if we do have them playing i can see both of us being tough oposition for anyone especially the bigger teams
you as a club have had it rough always thought you were similart to us having to compete in a tight area with some big clubs good luck i mean it
Other than a nice finish they didnt show any nice passing or intent of throwing players forward.
It was the same as last year, they came ran down the clock and didnt produce much football.
Well taken goal but he wasnt closed down quick enough.
We were nowhere near good enough ourselves.
Going forward Wagstaff didnt do much in the second half and Abbott and Martin were the total opposite of last Friday.
Akpo came on fresh with 10 to go, and i really think he should have done more.
A poor result for football on the whole. Teams like Oldham,Bolton,Blackburn,Stoke etc who rely on wasting time, kicking, and winding the opposition up, stop our English leagues from producing the class football you see elsewhere in Europe throughout their leagues.
Who pays to see a coach parked up for 90 minutes? There is talent in these leagues why not show it ?[/quote]
Ah yes, you mean this oldham side who clearly had double the attempts that your team had on goal.
From what some of your fans have said, we seem to have been the better team, especially in the second half?
Also what happened to them big wins that you was predicting against us? :D
you must have watched a different game to me they played some nice to feet football and got through us to easily if they had a goal scorer today they would have won nailed on fact..
i dont think they have not been given enough credit for a hard fought hard earned point
I dont know what game you were watching .
Oldham hit the post and Elliot was tested far more than their keeper, in fact their keeper wont get many easier games.
Well done Oldham . a point is the LEAST you deserved.
yep same from me mainly on their last 50 mins of play
positives for me were we rlled oour sleves up and hung in there we didnt attack enough because they were in our face kicking lumps out of us and competeing anyone who does that deserves to get something from the game if we had competed in certain games in that manor last season we would have turnt losses to draws and draws to win and we wouldnt be in this shit league where you have to compete in every game just to get into it..
thosse looking for crisp arsenal style football it aint going to happen in this league
Er ..... they scored a cracker, hit the post twice, had one cleared off the line and Robbie pulled off two very good saves. If that's parking the bus then what did you make of their last trip to SE7?!
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And realistically it isn't going to happen with our squad either. Not that I think that is a bad thing, you need to have a physical threat to escape this division and have to have players who won't get intimidated by other sides. Maybe last year we were asoft touch at times and a plus from today was that we handled the physical stuff from Oldham pretty well.
Hi NLA, your mate Parky has given Oldham plenty of credit for the way they played today.
;o)
If ever a game showed our lack of depth it was today. Absolutely crying out for a change after 55-60mins but other than Akpo we had nothing on the bench at all.
Personally thought Racon stunk the place out today. Offered nothing. Personally would have made a double swap when we did. Racon & Martin off and Fry & Akpo on. Would have pushed Jackson into central midfield and had Fry at left back.
Ref's at this level get worse and worse. Abbott got a going over, shirt pulled, pushed about all over the place and barely got a decision all afternoon. How the hell there was only 5mins added I'll never know. 5mins were added at the end of B'Mouth & Orient - how could it be the same today?.
Agree with the comments re: Wagstaff. He was anonymous today - we have an issue there as there is effectively no-one pushing him for that place. We need that sorted asap.
Hopefully Francis will improve. Thought he had a poor game today. Cheaply giving the ball away and offering no threat going forward.
Missed Christian Dailly big time today. The cohesion at the back disappeared. No leadership.
Hope the players we are after will come in this week. Would like to see 2 perms + maybe a couple of loans. Bench was worringly poor today.
As for Oldham - mirror image of Dickov. Played alright. Nothing overly special. Worth a point. The reaction to the sending off was pure Dickov - absolutely blatant yellow card and a pathetically childish reaction from Jarrett.
Second half they were ok as well - the only thing that pissed me off about them was the constant manhandling of Abbott by their centre-half. Even that was the ref's fault for not pulling him in it. As for timewasting, their keeper only did exactly what Elliott does every time we're one up with 15 minutes left.
No complaints at all about the result - thought Oldham were well worth the point and could have won it.
Where were you sat Scoh? Must have been very close to me cos I saw this too at half time.
Overall I thought we played okay, bit shaky at the back but otherwise much like we did against Bournemouth and Orient, just it's being viewed differently because we didn't win. I still saw some nice touches though and evidence that we've got invention about our play that will see us create chances this season. Credit to Oldham, they played well and made life uncomfortable for us - talk about a team in their managers image, even down to trying to take pretty much every re-start in the wrong place.
We were a bit unlucky with the ref, he let a lot of stuff go that many refs wouldn't have - had Oldham's niggly stuff like all the shirt puling on Abbott been stamped down on then we might have won, but at least he tried to let it flow and it made for an entertaining game. West Stand lino was bloody hopeless though.
Disappointed we didn't win but more positives than negatives I think and signs that as this team gels we'll become a handful and I think if Oldham can play like that regularly we won't be the only one of the promotion hopefuls they frustrate so nothing to get too upset about, imo.
Amazing that.You've just described Paul Dikov there.
Reality check.
I remember an Ipswich fan saying how frustrating Martin was and I see what he means. He has all the skills but takes wrong options. He can still be a big asset for us.
We are still a developing team so 7/9 points is very good. I think Oldham will be in the mix at the end of the season.
Absolute proof, as if it were needed, that you shouldn't post when pished.
;o)
As for the rest..............today shows that we need a creative midfielder and a decent striker. Also shows the lack of experience and quality we have on thr bench, apart from ASolly & Sodje. To have a bench which includes Worner,Fry, Mambo, Stavrinou and Tuna is suicide. No league starts for us between them and an average age under 20.
A point was all we could hope for............
There's nothing like giving a bloke a few games before deciding he's crap . Give the guy a chance we have only played three league games.
lol you got there before me!
But I agree it is too soon to make that statement regardless of whether it is true or not
Now im really confused. Is it Francis you want out the team or Abbot or maybe it's both? hic