Oggy i know its all about opinions but all i'm saying is you could reverse that and say our forwards would be so much better if sam gave them more assists. Its an argument you can use for both sides. Your seeing it from sams view i'm seeing it from another. Lets just say he's the marmite of charlton
What is he about? A decent return in assists, helps out his full back defensively and doesn't give away the ball too easily?
If they want an energetic and direct goalscoring winger they'll look elsewhere. I think whoever gets him will have watched him enough to know if he is the type of player they need.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]What is he about? A decent return in assists, helps out his full back defensively and doesn't give away the ball too easily?
If they want an energetic and direct goalscoring winger they'll look elsewhere. I think whoever gets him will have watched him enough to know if he is the type of player they need.
Any club that signs Sam would already have had him watched and done their homework on him.
They'll already know his weaknesses. And his strengths - that's why they'll want to sign him.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]What is he about? A decent return in assists, helps out his full back defensively and doesn't give away the ball too easily?
If they want an energetic and direct goalscoring winger they'll look elsewhere. I think whoever gets him will have watched him enough to know if he is the type of player they need.
Any club that signs Sam would already have had him watched and done their homework on him.
They'll already know his weaknesses. And his strengths - that's why they'll want to sign him.
[cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]If we keep Sam we will be very lucky hes a gem in this league.
One that needs a lot of polishing if he is to realise his full potential. He's just spent a year in this league and for one thats such a gem not by any stretch of the imagination can it be said that he stood out from any other player in the team or the league.
Its pointless really debating the pros and cons of Llyod Sam now as he surely wont play for us again now.
All I know is we will really miss Sam next season, Iv got a lotta time for waggy, like the way he's very direct, really hope he makes an impact next yr (maybe even as a striker - but thats just my opinion - think he could be a real gem there direct, quick, good finisher)
I'm not so sure Reid is any better than Sam, if he was surely he'd have made more of an impact at Sheff Utd? Both at a similar level I'd say, just different types of wide players. The way Reid plays just isn't as frustrating.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]I'm not so sure Reid is any better than Sam, if he was surely he'd have made more of an impact at Sheff Utd? Both at a similar level I'd say, just different types of wide players. The way Reid plays just isn't as frustrating.
I think there is an element of the old saying familiarity breeds contempt when it comes to Sam and we judge him more harshly than other players.
I like Reid but, to be honest, I was just grateful to see a loan player putting it in when compared to dross like Lee Cook, Scott Sinclair etc.
in my opinion he'll stay. I reckon he's in the comfort zone and isn't the type to relish a challenge elsewhere. He'd last ten minutes at a club like Newcastle. No, he'll stay and continue to pick up his albeit reduced wages but will still be happy with his lot and will continue to be as frustrating as always. Personally, I hope he does go.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]I'm not so sure Reid is any better than Sam, if he was surely he'd have made more of an impact at Sheff Utd? Both at a similar level I'd say, just different types of wide players. The way Reid plays just isn't as frustrating.
Reid is a "push and run" winger with good pace - he plays a more simple direct game, but generally needs space to be effective. Ideal on the quick break and decent shot on the run if he gets hold of it right.
Waggy's the same type of player, but doesn't have the upper body strength of Reid, and gets knocked off the the ball too easily - although impressed by Waggy's 1st touch and simple short passing ability. Can pull a shot out of nothing.
Sam's the tricky winger who can be effective in tight spaces, superb 1st touch, retains possession better, effective in a congested midfield - yet can open up packed defences. Shame he doesn't have that decisive killer instinct when wriggling his way into the box.
As Scoham says, very different types of winger, each having their own particular strengths.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]I'm not so sure Reid is any better than Sam, if he was surely he'd have made more of an impact at Sheff Utd? Both at a similar level I'd say, just different types of wide players. The way Reid plays just isn't as frustrating.
Reid is a "push and run" winger with good pace - he plays a more simple direct game, but generally needs space to be effective. Ideal on the quick break and decent shot on the run if he gets hold of it right.
Waggy's the same type of player, but doesn't have the upper body strength of Reid, and gets knocked off the the ball too easily - although impressed by Waggy's 1st touch and simple short passing ability. Can pull a shot out of nothing.
Sam's the tricky winger who can be effective in tight spaces, superb 1st touch, retains possession better, effective in a congested midfield - yet can open up packed defences. Shame he doesn't have that decisive killer instinct when wriggling his way into the box.
As Scoham says, very different types of winger, each having their own particular strengths.
And then there's Dazzler a completely different type of winger to all the others mentioned. He is gifted with the touch of a rapist, the speed of a slug on salt and the vision of stevie wonder. It amazes me why he never made it to pro level ;-)
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You'd be surprised Nolly. Reading other message boards pre/post match he's the one people single out.
If they want an energetic and direct goalscoring winger they'll look elsewhere. I think whoever gets him will have watched him enough to know if he is the type of player they need.
But as with all wingers we've had over the past 5 years they all become scapegoats.
Any club that signs Sam would already have had him watched and done their homework on him.
They'll already know his weaknesses. And his strengths - that's why they'll want to sign him.
Oh Eck he'll be with us again next year then ;-)
One that needs a lot of polishing if he is to realise his full potential. He's just spent a year in this league and for one thats such a gem not by any stretch of the imagination can it be said that he stood out from any other player in the team or the league.
LOL, Uncle.
;o)
All I know is we will really miss Sam next season, Iv got a lotta time for waggy, like the way he's very direct, really hope he makes an impact next yr (maybe even as a striker - but thats just my opinion - think he could be a real gem there direct, quick, good finisher)
Compared to Wagstaff he is pure class, compared to Reid he is very average.
I think there is an element of the old saying familiarity breeds contempt when it comes to Sam and we judge him more harshly than other players.
I like Reid but, to be honest, I was just grateful to see a loan player putting it in when compared to dross like Lee Cook, Scott Sinclair etc.
I like him and unfortunately agree with oohahh - we'll notice how "good" he is if/when he is not here next year.
Sam's 25.
So if he fails his medical at QPR, then he'll be back - and we'll all understand why he's subbed on 65 mins.
;o)
Reid is a "push and run" winger with good pace - he plays a more simple direct game, but generally needs space to be effective. Ideal on the quick break and decent shot on the run if he gets hold of it right.
Waggy's the same type of player, but doesn't have the upper body strength of Reid, and gets knocked off the the ball too easily - although impressed by Waggy's 1st touch and simple short passing ability. Can pull a shot out of nothing.
Sam's the tricky winger who can be effective in tight spaces, superb 1st touch, retains possession better, effective in a congested midfield - yet can open up packed defences. Shame he doesn't have that decisive killer instinct when wriggling his way into the box.
As Scoham says, very different types of winger, each having their own particular strengths.
And then there's Dazzler a completely different type of winger to all the others mentioned. He is gifted with the touch of a rapist, the speed of a slug on salt and the vision of stevie wonder. It amazes me why he never made it to pro level ;-)