Cannot see why this has to come out now..... except to fill a few lines in the Mail's agenda. Looked for a write up in the express of our game with Swindon, a few lines stuck in the filler pages of the sport section!......
Do not think it is 'creative writing' to me Airman. A cheap shot, from a cheapscape more like it..... I know there are several journalists and people on this site, however not everyone has the 'balls' to own up to it!
Whatever issues that people have with the board and club this is NOT really the time to air them is it 36 hours before we get to a possible play off final!.... Let us concerntrate of that game eh guys!
There is a Mail journalist on this board so it didn't have to be passed on at all.
This article, and the post that - whatever Airman says clearly comes from his comments in the Waggy thread - will simpy make the club look like it is self destucting and stop any potential investment.
[cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]There is a Mail journalist on this board so it didn't have to be passed on at all.
This article, and the post that - whatever Airman says clearly comes from his comments in the Waggy thread - will simpy make the club look like it is self destucting and stop any potential investment.
I don't recall seeing that quote anywhere but maybe I missed it. As to a Daily Mail article stopping any investment, that is just totally ludicrous.
Investors do a little more than read newpaper articles, and they are fully aware that the media is there to sell papers and not necessarily tell the truth.
Maybe the Mail has decided not to like us 'cause we stopped wearing black shirts for our away kit? (Little bit of historical politics for you :-) )
Bad timing it can be argued for something like this getting a wider audience. But you can't blame certain individuals for rocking the boat because people have been saying this all season long. It can't be a suprise that it's now being said in the media when the season is finished mostly and (non)journalists need something to write about.
[cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]There is a Mail journalist on this board so it didn't have to be passed on at all.
This article, and the post that - whatever Airman says clearly comes from his comments in the Waggy thread - will simpy make the club look like it is self destucting and stop any potential investment.
I don't recall seeing that quote anywhere but maybe I missed it. As to a Daily Mail article stopping any investment, that is just totally ludicrous.
Investors do a little more than read newpaper articles, and they are fully aware that the media is there to sell papers and not necessarily tell the truth.
I'm not saying it hasn't been expanded on - thats how you fill papers. However, do you really believe that its a total conicedence that the club has been ignored all season and a journalist then makes up an article about staff discontent on message board mere days after staff were showing discontent on this board?
As for the investment, don't take my comments out of context, of course investors do more than read papers, but for a club that was publically know as well run and happy to believe this will have no effect is a little nieve.
The lesson here has to be don't rip into your CEO on a public message board that journalists post on, where your identity is known. Very silly. The rest of the story is pointless fluff that's legitimised by what was said on here. Poor judgement, that brings the club into disrepute.
[cite]Posted By: The MoS[/cite][iBut last week a senior employee used an internet message board to launch an attack on current chief executive, Steve Waggott, claiming the staff had no confidence in him
Naive? No, I don't think so but we will have to differ there. Obvously, as others have said, it is done to fill the papers at season end when not so much is going on.
We are an easy target because of the fact that we were so well known for being a well-run club ... but all has not been sweetness and light for 2-3 seasons now, and we as fans deserve to know what is going on.
Anyway, let's leave it for now ... tomorrow is the most important thing on my mind.
We can all return to the 'Waggy Out' thread on Tuesday.
Sorry but why does it bring the club into disrepute ? If it's true then i am as a fan glad it has been said. Too many people on here are rose tinted about the club and from my perspective our current plight is more easily understood by such openness. It's fairly obvious that something in the Charlton management structure is stinking.
Let's be clear that the only story here is the quote about the potential for the club going into admin whether or not it's promoted. That's a legitimate angle on Charlton's game tomorrow night but it's not something that can be justified on the basis of anything I've posted here recently.
It's both dishonest this time - AFAIK no such comment has been made in recent weeks on a message board - and a regurgitation of a line pushed in the Mail previously.
The Mail isn't interested in Waggott and neither is Waggott a significant factor in the club's financial situation.
It's only the person responsible who's trying to combine the two issues for his own purposes.
lets cut the crap, this aint airman, we know mick collins writes for the mail on sunday is that him, we know nigel w has links to the press could it be him, stop feckin pussyfooting around and say what you want to say for christ sake.I fear for us full stop which given our position 4 years ago is bloody ridiculous.If you have anidea who it is just bloody say it.
Why Steve, what's the point? Doesn't really make any difference does it?
Things get said on message boards and are largely ignored by the mainstream media. However, when a recognised figure from within a club starts making puclic attacks then it adds to the "story", what story there is. It doesn't change anything - just means things get reported, a slant sometimes gets put on it and wider attention is drawn.
Personally I don't give a sh*t who tipped off the Mail or brought it to their attention. There wouldn't be a story - or at lease this particular slant on an old story - if people acted properly. But they don't.
It seems to me as outsider, Waggot is an easy target in a situation where the board are relatively powerless due to finances. I'm not about to criticise them for that as I am sure they are doing their best. So I guess we just keep struggling on.
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Why Steve, what's the point? Doesn't really make any difference does it?
Things get said on message boards and are largely ignored by the mainstream media. However, when a recognised figure from within a club starts making puclic attacks then it adds to the "story", what story there is. It doesn't change anything - just means things get reported, a slant sometimes gets put on it and wider attention is drawn.
Personally I don't give a sh*t who tipped off the Mail or brought it to their attention. There wouldn't be a story - or at lease this particular slant on an old story - if people acted properly. But they don't.
Bit of perspective....Its a story about Charlton in the Daily Mail during a time when every club outside Chelsea and Man City have solvency issues. People other than Charlton fans on forums will probably not take any real notice of it let alone any interest and most of those have a pretty good idea of the score on this issue so it's a pretty much non story.
Its not watergate and wont be remembered in a week by most on here probably let alone anyone in the general public.
"Staff lose confidence in board at struggling 3rd division club shocker" isnt gonna get the Evening Standard halting their ArsenalChelsea w@nkathon for even 5 minutes in the same way "Journalist acts questionably in act of self-interest shocker" aint big news.
When you publicly slag off your employer things happen. The administration story is the same old guff, but on this occassion it has been given more oxygen by certain comments - some of which are clearly yours and some of which are clearly not.
The story IS about potentially going into admin, but it's ALSO about public attacks on internet forums by senior club insiders (or whatever the term is they used).
In my view your comments were ill-judged and poorly timed, at best. Seriously, in most other professions you would be looking at formal disciplinary action. Maybe that's what you were trying to provoke - a big showdown at the OK Coral. For all our sakes - yours included - I hope it doesn't come to that.
The Daily Mail published a story last July, was damning about the clubs finances and insolvency issues then. Imho we are obviously an easy story as yes there are serious problems but there are at a number of other clubs.
Cheap and easy journalism, a page filler nothing more (for the time being).
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]In my view your comments were ill-judged and poorly timed, at best. Seriously, in most other professions you would be looking at formal disciplinary action. Maybe that's what you were trying to provoke - a big showdown at the OK Coral. For all our sakes - yours included - I hope it doesn't come to that.
Off_it, why has no such action been taken thus far, do you think? I would welcome a process in which the contribution of the chief executive to the running of the club is examined by members of the board and senior staff are able to give their views on the record.
Can I ask all journalists who are using this site for research to not mention our pixie infestation please. If news got out it could scupper future investment.
All I want to do is stick my head in the sand and hear nice fluffy things about our good old Charlton. Financial meltdown la la la. Staff not united la la la.
I cant have been the only one who still thought promotion wouldnt save us, infact the only thing that could save us financially would be a double promotion, without spending a penny next yr, something nie on impossible, esp now a big money takeover is pretty much out the window - unless we go into administration and the debts pretty much wipped out.
[cite]Posted By: RalphMilnesgut[/cite]Can I ask all journalists who are using this site for research to not mention our pixie infestation please. If news got out it could scupper future investment.
We can all recall the garbage a certain Mail journalist printed about the 'takeover' a few months ago, they were happy to publish a complete crock of shite about it and then did a runner to watch the confusion and recriminations evolve from a safe distance....
We all knew, given the timing of the article, that the main aim was to unsettle the club, the players and us fans. Fortunately we all got through it relatively unscathed and the effects of shitehawk journalism have been long forgotten...
I suspect the Mail has now decided to have another sly pop at us with yet another piece of gutter press of the lowest order. Printing such a load of shite on the eve of the biggest game of the season is just fcuking pathetic...
I suggest we treat the shite article with the contempt it deserves, concentrate on the game in hand and back the lads even harder...
And as for the shit for brains 'insider' skulking on here, why don't you reveal yourself to us so we can tell you what you can do with yourself...?
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]In my view your comments were ill-judged and poorly timed, at best. Seriously, in most other professions you would be looking at formal disciplinary action. Maybe that's what you were trying to provoke - a big showdown at the OK Coral. For all our sakes - yours included - I hope it doesn't come to that.
Off_it, why has no such action been taken thus far, do you think? I would welcome a process in which the contribution of the chief executive to the running of the club is examined by members of the board and senior staff are able to give their views on the record.
I wouldn't be to confident if i were in your shoes Airman. It may well be the club are, like many here, waiting for the season to end. Whether that is tomorrow or May 29th.
If i remember rightly the waggy things started (most recently) with the usual individual making his dislike of Waggy known and others then defending him including a comment about how he was popular with the staff. Suzie and then Airman in a bigger way responded to the positive and popular comments that they were not true and put there obviously more informed opinions across.
Maybe Airman did go further than some are comfortable with but are we saying that people with first hand knowledge should not be able to put their views across incase it rocks the boat? If Airman had said "yes, everything is great, Waggy is wonderful and the staff love and support him fully" then certain people would be saying their views count above the negative comments from people not connected directly with the club and it was right for them to speak up. It seems because they didn't say what some wanted to hear, then their comments shouldn't have been made and are destructive for the club? You can't have it both ways, either Airman can post about the club from an insiders point of view or he can't.
Remember, it's the Daily Fail we are talking about here. To them, the truth is often a foreign country and it wouldn't surprise me if this bullshit is being published with some ulterior motive in mind by someone who doesn't have the best interests of the club at heart; and as for the 'quote' well, "inside sources" is usually journo shorthand for "I made it up on the train this morning because I can't be arsed to do some proper journalism"
seriously, why are people worrying about the story. The press (apart from the mercury) have always either been condescending or stuck the boot in to us depending on whats happening at the club.
So, the combination of a big game on monday and some unwise posts on here give them a chance to rerun an old story to try and rock the boat. Fuck em, it's all about monday and a bit of press shit stirring shouldn't distract anyone.
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Do not think it is 'creative writing' to me Airman. A cheap shot, from a cheapscape more like it..... I know there are several journalists and people on this site, however not everyone has the 'balls' to own up to it!
Whatever issues that people have with the board and club this is NOT really the time to air them is it 36 hours before we get to a possible play off final!.... Let us concerntrate of that game eh guys!
This article, and the post that - whatever Airman says clearly comes from his comments in the Waggy thread - will simpy make the club look like it is self destucting and stop any potential investment.
I don't recall seeing that quote anywhere but maybe I missed it. As to a Daily Mail article stopping any investment, that is just totally ludicrous.
Investors do a little more than read newpaper articles, and they are fully aware that the media is there to sell papers and not necessarily tell the truth.
Bad timing it can be argued for something like this getting a wider audience. But you can't blame certain individuals for rocking the boat because people have been saying this all season long. It can't be a suprise that it's now being said in the media when the season is finished mostly and (non)journalists need something to write about.
Agree with that completely
I'm not saying it hasn't been expanded on - thats how you fill papers. However, do you really believe that its a total conicedence that the club has been ignored all season and a journalist then makes up an article about staff discontent on message board mere days after staff were showing discontent on this board?
As for the investment, don't take my comments out of context, of course investors do more than read papers, but for a club that was publically know as well run and happy to believe this will have no effect is a little nieve.
We are an easy target because of the fact that we were so well known for being a well-run club ... but all has not been sweetness and light for 2-3 seasons now, and we as fans deserve to know what is going on.
Anyway, let's leave it for now ... tomorrow is the most important thing on my mind.
We can all return to the 'Waggy Out' thread on Tuesday.
It's both dishonest this time - AFAIK no such comment has been made in recent weeks on a message board - and a regurgitation of a line pushed in the Mail previously.
The Mail isn't interested in Waggott and neither is Waggott a significant factor in the club's financial situation.
It's only the person responsible who's trying to combine the two issues for his own purposes.
Things get said on message boards and are largely ignored by the mainstream media. However, when a recognised figure from within a club starts making puclic attacks then it adds to the "story", what story there is. It doesn't change anything - just means things get reported, a slant sometimes gets put on it and wider attention is drawn.
Personally I don't give a sh*t who tipped off the Mail or brought it to their attention. There wouldn't be a story - or at lease this particular slant on an old story - if people acted properly. But they don't.
Well said.
Its not watergate and wont be remembered in a week by most on here probably let alone anyone in the general public.
"Staff lose confidence in board at struggling 3rd division club shocker" isnt gonna get the Evening Standard halting their ArsenalChelsea w@nkathon for even 5 minutes in the same way "Journalist acts questionably in act of self-interest shocker" aint big news.
Chill
Someone wants that story in the paper, as they did previously in the same paper, and they are prepared to be dishonest to get it in there.
It is not there because of anything I have said about Waggott and if I hadn't said anything about Waggott it would still be there.
When you publicly slag off your employer things happen. The administration story is the same old guff, but on this occassion it has been given more oxygen by certain comments - some of which are clearly yours and some of which are clearly not.
The story IS about potentially going into admin, but it's ALSO about public attacks on internet forums by senior club insiders (or whatever the term is they used).
In my view your comments were ill-judged and poorly timed, at best. Seriously, in most other professions you would be looking at formal disciplinary action. Maybe that's what you were trying to provoke - a big showdown at the OK Coral. For all our sakes - yours included - I hope it doesn't come to that.
Cheap and easy journalism, a page filler nothing more (for the time being).
Off_it, why has no such action been taken thus far, do you think? I would welcome a process in which the contribution of the chief executive to the running of the club is examined by members of the board and senior staff are able to give their views on the record.
Thank you
I cant have been the only one who still thought promotion wouldnt save us, infact the only thing that could save us financially would be a double promotion, without spending a penny next yr, something nie on impossible, esp now a big money takeover is pretty much out the window - unless we go into administration and the debts pretty much wipped out.
LOL
We all knew, given the timing of the article, that the main aim was to unsettle the club, the players and us fans. Fortunately we all got through it relatively unscathed and the effects of shitehawk journalism have been long forgotten...
I suspect the Mail has now decided to have another sly pop at us with yet another piece of gutter press of the lowest order. Printing such a load of shite on the eve of the biggest game of the season is just fcuking pathetic...
I suggest we treat the shite article with the contempt it deserves, concentrate on the game in hand and back the lads even harder...
And as for the shit for brains 'insider' skulking on here, why don't you reveal yourself to us so we can tell you what you can do with yourself...?
Daily Mail? Fcuk 'em...
I wouldn't wipe my arse on it...
And you can quote me on that if you like....
I wouldn't be to confident if i were in your shoes Airman. It may well be the club are, like many here, waiting for the season to end. Whether that is tomorrow or May 29th.
Maybe Airman did go further than some are comfortable with but are we saying that people with first hand knowledge should not be able to put their views across incase it rocks the boat?
If Airman had said "yes, everything is great, Waggy is wonderful and the staff love and support him fully" then certain people would be saying their views count above the negative comments from people not connected directly with the club and it was right for them to speak up.
It seems because they didn't say what some wanted to hear, then their comments shouldn't have been made and are destructive for the club? You can't have it both ways, either Airman can post about the club from an insiders point of view or he can't.
Remember, it's the Daily Fail we are talking about here. To them, the truth is often a foreign country and it wouldn't surprise me if this bullshit is being published with some ulterior motive in mind by someone who doesn't have the best interests of the club at heart; and as for the 'quote' well, "inside sources" is usually journo shorthand for "I made it up on the train this morning because I can't be arsed to do some proper journalism"
So, the combination of a big game on monday and some unwise posts on here give them a chance to rerun an old story to try and rock the boat. Fuck em, it's all about monday and a bit of press shit stirring shouldn't distract anyone.