[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]he didn't mention we were unlucky off it
I don't see how "f*ck knows how we lost that" and "our end ball wasn't good enough" are mutually exclusive views. Depends on your reading - or how you WANT to read it I suppose. To you it's always gonna be doom and gloom. To me I just try and see it for what it is - good or bad.
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Yes, overall it could be argued todays performance was ok but to me it's the attitude and tactics that stink. We are negative from the start and Parky either doesn't know any other way or he's bottled it as said.
I presume you went then? How unlucky was Bailey with his chances?
Nope, one of the few games i've missed so can say that in general we are a negative team.
Keeper saved them, is that unlucky? And since we've been extremely lucky during many of the wins we've had this season against the supposed lesser teams who didn't take there chances against us, i really don't think we can use luck or not with finishing as an excuse.
I'm looking at the bigger picture and maybe i am being too negative but Parky set the team out today for a draw hoping we could maybe get something on the break (as he did against the mighty Stockport) and even the sub later when he took Reid off and left Sam on showed he wanted to keep the supposed balance of the team over trying to do something positive and different to win the game.
Oh right, you didn't go today. Must be my mistake in reading your post about our attitude tactics and negativity. Apologies.
Im not being funny but do we want promotion or not?
Whilst we are still in the playoff contention there is no way on recent form (ie the last 6 months) we will have a chance in the playoffs over three games other than hoping that the other teams bottle it in 2 of the three requisite games.
If we are collectively happy to stay in this league for another term then fair enough but if not then we are in trouble.
Whether we were unlucky today, whether their keeper made gordon banks look like massimo taibi or not we lost 1-0 and unfortunately if that happens in the play offs then the performance will ultimately mean diddly squat to me.
Very much doubt those sunderland fans headed back home after mendonca did them consoled themselves with the fact that they played well and were unlucky.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: DRAddick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: DRAddick[/cite] Yes, overall it could be argued todays performance was ok but to me it's the attitude and tactics that stink. We are negative from the start and Parky either doesn't know any other way or he's bottled it as said.[/quote]
I presume you went then? How unlucky was Bailey with his chances?[/quote]
Nope, one of the few games i've missed so can say that in general we are a negative team. Keeper saved them, is that unlucky? And since we've been extremely lucky during many of the wins we've had this season against the supposed lesser teams who didn't take there chances against us, i really don't think we can use luck or not with finishing as an excuse.
I'm looking at the bigger picture and maybe i am being too negative but Parky set the team out today for a draw hoping we could maybe get something on the break (as he did against the mighty Stockport) and even the sub later when he took Reid off and left Sam on showed he wanted to keep the supposed balance of the team over trying to do something positive and different to win the game.[/quote]
Oh right, you didn't go today. Must be my mistake in reading your post about our attitude tactics and negativity. Apologies.[/quote]
If you choose to only look at one game at a time instead of the team sheet, lots of experience watching performances this season, and looking to the future then that's fine, but it's not me. Even the commentators were repeatedly mentioning in the second have that maybe if we've been more adventurous from the start the result could have been different...but feel free to ignore their first hand views if it doesn't suit.
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Amazing, a few minutes after a defeat and there are 40+ comments on the post match thread already.
For what it's worth a mate of mine who was at the game - and therefore had the benefit of actually watching it first hand and not having to go by iffy commentary or pre-conceived ideas of players strngths and weaknesses - texted me to say "F*** knows how we lost that". So, it would appear we were a bit unlucky. That's football.
Get real Off_it you're posting far too much sense there for a Post Match Thread.
A rare missed away game for me today, I have nothing to offer of any note apart from my disappointment at the result and disappointment that the scoreline doesn't seem to have reflected a decent enough performance that sounds as if it warranted a point. How some people are writing theses on the subject of a match they haven't watched a second of is beyond me.
Just got back. Tight game that could have gone either way IMO and a draw would have been a fairer result. They played the neater football overall but we had the better chances but couldn't put them away or their keeper made a decent save. Our midfield went awol too often for my liking, allowing them to stroll up to the edge of our box or pick their passes. I could see why Parky wanted to play with one up top when we were at 0-0 but Forster was too isolated for muhc of the game and IMO it took too long to change it to a 442 after they had scored, when we looked a lot better, and even more so when JJ came on towards the end. i don't think they could cope with JJ's movement and another 10 or 15 minutes might have made the difference.
I was at the game and I thought we made Davies earn his money today. He made at least three great saves that another day would have gone in. I don't remember them having too many chances. The passing was not good but probably div3 standard. Sam stood out and not in a good way. He just seems to get an opportunity to run at defenders and then stops looking to pass sideways or backwards.
funny how people see things,just rang up and was told sam and reid were hopeless,didnt take anyone on whatsover,bailey looked dangerous and made a big effort and shots were half decent,ended with shelvey must play now give him a chance
[cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]funny how people see things,just rang up and was told sam and reid were hopeless,didnt take anyone on whatsover,bailey looked dangerous and made a big effort and shots were half decent,ended with shelvey must play now give him a chance
Like I said Sam didn't have a good game but Reid who gets less abuse was no better.
Shelvey needs to be in there somewhere but it's hard finding that position for him.
Don't worry, I'm not coming on here to gloat - I hate people who do this.
A very professional win today from Southampton, despite the referee trying his best to help you lot out. Was a close game, Davis made a couple of good saves from Bailey in the first half and we put some pressure onto your goal and managed to get a deserved break through.
I thought we should of had a penalty soon after our first after Puncheon was pushed down into the area - It would have been soft but pushing someone while in the area isn't something you'd do and if it had happened in the 2nd half to Charlton I suspect your fans would have appealled too.
The 2nd half we seemed to take our foot off the gas after a strong start which we almost got a 2nd, not sure what happened though. You didn't really put much pressure on us until the last 10 where I was almost certain that you'd score.
You lot were unlucky not to score today but you come up against Jose Fonte while at his best - Easily a top half Championship defender.
You improved a bit when Forster went off, but your strikers just never looked like scoring.
I'd say a draw would have been a fair result, and unlucky to you lot.
Looked like it might kick off after the game when a couple of Charlton teens went looking for it but instead they just got a police escort to the train station while chanting 'Play Up Pompey'.
With our run-in and a 4 point gap to 2nd, automatic promotion looks a distant prospect but I think our form has improved a bit in the last few games, so I'm a bit more optimistic about our chances in the play-offs than I was a few weeks ago.
[cite]Posted By: sfc86[/cite]Looks like we'll be seeing you guys again next month then
Nope.......next season.
Dunno, I still like Swindon for 2nd spot myself
We won't be going up this season, we've left it too late.
Knowing us we will go to Bristol Rovers on Tuesday and lose.
Just because you're a saints fan too it doesn't make you the 'voice of reason', we've got easily as much chance as Huddersfield and Colchester if you check their run ins. If we beat Bristol we're effectively five points off with considerably better goal difference, our run in after Bristol is about as easy as possible.
I was given my opinion that we're not going up this season. It looks far more likely than us making the play offs.
This glimmer of hope won't go away, it would be typical Saints to throw everything out of the window from today and lose to Bristol Rovers.
Soundas just to clear things up...I asked johnny73 how he could justify saying it was right to drop jonjo when bailey missed more chances. You decided to get involved and say that their keeper pulled off some great saves therefore justifying jonjo being dropped because their keeper played well. If that wasn't your point then why did you bother to answer the question i asked Johnny73? And thank you but i dont have strange opinions at all i just dont like people sticking their oar in just for the sake of it. The question wasn't aimed at you but you took upon yourself to answer it. Well if you dont like me answering back then dont get involved.
Callumcafc i appreciate what your saying that bailey's misses were saved and jonjo's were missed but you get the same if the keeper pushes it round the post or if you it the corner flag. A miss is a miss and results in no goal, so what i say stands he missed more chances.
not read any of the comments yet so apologies if I make points already made. Agreed with team selection, except for dropping Shelvey, but don't think it really worked. Parky needs to grow some and drop either Semedo or, in my opinion Racon. Worries me that the only chances we are creating are from set pieces, nothing really from open play. Thougt the decision to take off Forster was wrong as the guy is a goalscorer and we need goals. Neither Sodje or Mooney made a difference and in fact made things worse as we were better before the changes. Jonjo did well when he came on and that would have been my only real change (apart from below), replacing Racon with Shelvey and Bailey back into midfield. We deserved a draw and their keeper made three great saves.
Now, some won't like it, but onto Lloyd Sam. I'm not his greatest fan as it is but thought I'd do a 'Lloyd Sam Watch' today to see what all the fuss is about. He was extremely poor today and barely got into the game. First off, second minute in, Bailey turns in midfield and plays a short ball to Sam who has acres of space in front of him. Instead of running into the space and going at the centre halves whereby he could later have a shot or play a team mate in or draw a foul in a dangerous area he heads to the wing only to stop after ten yards, turn, and play the ball back to a team mate, attack over. Secondly, he's on the touch line near the halfway line when Randolph throws the ball out to him which he controls, turns and heads up the touch line with the ball. Ten yards later he stops and plays the ball back to his full back. Any normal winger would attack the full back and attempt to get round him or least least give him a problem and draw a foul. That was all in the first half. That was Lloyd Sam watch. The sum total of his efforts today. All step overs, no substance. Second half, nought. How did he stay on for 90 minutes ?
Good performance, bad result and I know I would have preferred that the other way round. Don't think many Saints fans would have begrudged us a point, has there been many sides go to St Mary's and play that well this season? Walk back to the station took nowhere near as long as it did last year, so a bonus. The result puts a lot of pressure on Tuesday night and I think the worst thing that can happen now is collectively, players and fans, we give up on that remaining automatic place. If we concede first on Tuesday, I can see the players backing off, an early goal for us will help the confidence though.
[cite]Posted By: EGAddick[/cite]Good performance, bad result and I know I would have preferred that the other way round. Don't think many Saints fans would have begrudged us a point, has there been many sides go to St Mary's and play that well this season? Walk back to the station took nowhere near as long as it did last year, so a bonus. The result puts a lot of pressure on Tuesday night and I think the worst thing that can happen now is collectively, players and fans, we give up on that remaining automatic place. If we concede first on Tuesday, I can see the players backing off, an early goal for us will help the confidence though.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]not read any of the comments yet so apologies if I make points already made. Agreed with team selection, except for dropping Shelvey, but don't think it really worked. Parky needs to grow some and drop either Semedo or, in my opinion Racon. Worries me that the only chances we are creating are from set pieces, nothing really from open play. Thougt the decision to take off Forster was wrong as the guy is a goalscorer and we need goals. Neither Sodje or Mooney made a difference and in fact made things worse as we were better before the changes. Jonjo did well when he came on and that would have been my only real change (apart from below), replacing Racon with Shelvey and Bailey back into midfield. We deserved a draw and their keeper made three great saves.
Now, some won't like it, but onto Lloyd Sam. I'm not his greatest fan as it is but thought I'd do a 'Lloyd Sam Watch' today to see what all the fuss is about. He was extremely poor today and barely got into the game. First off, second minute in, Bailey turns in midfield and plays a short ball to Sam who has acres of space in front of him. Instead of running into the space and going at the centre halves whereby he could later have a shot or play a team mate in or draw a foul in a dangerous area he heads to the wing only to stop after ten yards, turn, and play the ball back to a team mate, attack over. Secondly, he's on the touch line near the halfway line when Randolph throws the ball out to him which he controls, turns and heads up the touch line with the ball. Ten yards later he stops and plays the ball back to his full back. Any normal winger would attack the full back and attempt to get round him or least least give him a problem and draw a foul. That was all in the first half. That was Lloyd Sam watch. The sum total of his efforts today. All step overs, no substance. Second half, nought. How did he stay on for 90 minutes ?
everything you have said about sam he has done since brentford at home, terrible player for us this season, when he should piss this league toilet proper pony player an entity that we can not afford yet he plays week in week out
We played well today. In fact, I would say we played better today than we did against Franchise FC & Carlisle. We created chances- Davis' saves were first class - and probably should have had a couple of penalties. We just seemed to lack something up front. It's not his fault but as soon as Akpo came one we resorted to playing hopeful long balls up front to him which were never going to work. If we are to to take advantage of his presence then we'd be better off getting the ball at wide and putting crosses across the face of goal for him to run onto.
Overall a good performance and nothing to worry about. We're in good form and I fully expect us to take the race for the automatic promotion places all the way.
watching Lloyd today we counted 3 forward passes all game. When he did actually beat a player he stopped and went backwards.
This isn't a "Slag Sam Off" post, but, for someone we know (& He knows) he can do better I'm not sure what the answer is.
Maybe CWLC will tell him at the Sponsors Evening.
[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]watching Lloyd today we counted 3 forward passes all game. When he did actually beat a player he stopped and went backwards.
This isn't a "Slag Sam Off" post, but, for someone we know (& He knows) he can do better I'm not sure what the answer is.
Maybe CWLC will tell him at the Sponsors Evening.
Yeah you're right there. In fact, just before their goal Sam had a chance to get down the right wing with the ball but instead cut back and lost possession...
[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]watching Lloyd today we counted 3 forward passes all game. When he did actually beat a player he stopped and went backwards.
This isn't a "Slag Sam Off" post, but, for someone we know (& He knows) he can do better I'm not sure what the answer is.
Maybe CWLC will tell him at the Sponsors Evening.
Yeah you're right there. In fact, just before their goal Sam had a chance to get down the right wing with the ball but instead cut back and lost possession...
Our wingers could learn from Puncheon today.
Maybe the answer is Wagstaff for the time being?
Waggstaff starting is a complete no no, he makes no contribution apart from going missing. He's a good sub to bring on for 20 minutes against tired defences and thats it at the moment.
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I don't see how "f*ck knows how we lost that" and "our end ball wasn't good enough" are mutually exclusive views. Depends on your reading - or how you WANT to read it I suppose. To you it's always gonna be doom and gloom. To me I just try and see it for what it is - good or bad.
Oh right, you didn't go today. Must be my mistake in reading your post about our attitude tactics and negativity. Apologies.
Whilst we are still in the playoff contention there is no way on recent form (ie the last 6 months) we will have a chance in the playoffs over three games other than hoping that the other teams bottle it in 2 of the three requisite games.
If we are collectively happy to stay in this league for another term then fair enough but if not then we are in trouble.
Whether we were unlucky today, whether their keeper made gordon banks look like massimo taibi or not we lost 1-0 and unfortunately if that happens in the play offs then the performance will ultimately mean diddly squat to me.
Very much doubt those sunderland fans headed back home after mendonca did them consoled themselves with the fact that they played well and were unlucky.
Yes, overall it could be argued todays performance was ok but to me it's the attitude and tactics that stink. We are negative from the start and Parky either doesn't know any other way or he's bottled it as said.[/quote]
I presume you went then? How unlucky was Bailey with his chances?[/quote]
Nope, one of the few games i've missed so can say that in general we are a negative team.
Keeper saved them, is that unlucky? And since we've been extremely lucky during many of the wins we've had this season against the supposed lesser teams who didn't take there chances against us, i really don't think we can use luck or not with finishing as an excuse.
I'm looking at the bigger picture and maybe i am being too negative but Parky set the team out today for a draw hoping we could maybe get something on the break (as he did against the mighty Stockport) and even the sub later when he took Reid off and left Sam on showed he wanted to keep the supposed balance of the team over trying to do something positive and different to win the game.[/quote]
Oh right, you didn't go today. Must be my mistake in reading your post about our attitude tactics and negativity. Apologies.[/quote]
If you choose to only look at one game at a time instead of the team sheet, lots of experience watching performances this season, and looking to the future then that's fine, but it's not me.
Even the commentators were repeatedly mentioning in the second have that maybe if we've been more adventurous from the start the result could have been different...but feel free to ignore their first hand views if it doesn't suit.
Get real Off_it you're posting far too much sense there for a Post Match Thread.
A rare missed away game for me today, I have nothing to offer of any note apart from my disappointment at the result and disappointment that the scoreline doesn't seem to have reflected a decent enough performance that sounds as if it warranted a point. How some people are writing theses on the subject of a match they haven't watched a second of is beyond me.
Inevitable wasn't it really... :-(
Nope.......next season.
Sorry you won't make the play-offs. Actually I'm not sorry you won't make the play-offs.
Shelvey needs to be in there somewhere but it's hard finding that position for him.
A very professional win today from Southampton, despite the referee trying his best to help you lot out. Was a close game, Davis made a couple of good saves from Bailey in the first half and we put some pressure onto your goal and managed to get a deserved break through.
I thought we should of had a penalty soon after our first after Puncheon was pushed down into the area - It would have been soft but pushing someone while in the area isn't something you'd do and if it had happened in the 2nd half to Charlton I suspect your fans would have appealled too.
The 2nd half we seemed to take our foot off the gas after a strong start which we almost got a 2nd, not sure what happened though. You didn't really put much pressure on us until the last 10 where I was almost certain that you'd score.
You lot were unlucky not to score today but you come up against Jose Fonte while at his best - Easily a top half Championship defender.
You improved a bit when Forster went off, but your strikers just never looked like scoring.
I'd say a draw would have been a fair result, and unlucky to you lot.
Looked like it might kick off after the game when a couple of Charlton teens went looking for it but instead they just got a police escort to the train station while chanting 'Play Up Pompey'.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
We won't be going up this season, we've left it too late.
Knowing us we will go to Bristol Rovers on Tuesday and lose.
I was given my opinion that we're not going up this season. It looks far more likely than us making the play offs.
This glimmer of hope won't go away, it would be typical Saints to throw everything out of the window from today and lose to Bristol Rovers.
eff off to your own site you stoopid prik
Callumcafc i appreciate what your saying that bailey's misses were saved and jonjo's were missed but you get the same if the keeper pushes it round the post or if you it the corner flag. A miss is a miss and results in no goal, so what i say stands he missed more chances.
Now, some won't like it, but onto Lloyd Sam. I'm not his greatest fan as it is but thought I'd do a 'Lloyd Sam Watch' today to see what all the fuss is about. He was extremely poor today and barely got into the game. First off, second minute in, Bailey turns in midfield and plays a short ball to Sam who has acres of space in front of him. Instead of running into the space and going at the centre halves whereby he could later have a shot or play a team mate in or draw a foul in a dangerous area he heads to the wing only to stop after ten yards, turn, and play the ball back to a team mate, attack over. Secondly, he's on the touch line near the halfway line when Randolph throws the ball out to him which he controls, turns and heads up the touch line with the ball. Ten yards later he stops and plays the ball back to his full back. Any normal winger would attack the full back and attempt to get round him or least least give him a problem and draw a foul. That was all in the first half. That was Lloyd Sam watch. The sum total of his efforts today. All step overs, no substance. Second half, nought. How did he stay on for 90 minutes ?
Swindon, Millwall, Bristol Rovers, Brighton.
So no, not many.
everything you have said about sam he has done since brentford at home, terrible player for us this season, when he should piss this league toilet proper pony player an entity that we can not afford yet he plays week in week out
Overall a good performance and nothing to worry about. We're in good form and I fully expect us to take the race for the automatic promotion places all the way.
This isn't a "Slag Sam Off" post, but, for someone we know (& He knows) he can do better I'm not sure what the answer is.
Maybe CWLC will tell him at the Sponsors Evening.
Yeah you're right there. In fact, just before their goal Sam had a chance to get down the right wing with the ball but instead cut back and lost possession...
Our wingers could learn from Puncheon today.
Maybe the answer is Wagstaff for the time being?
Waggstaff starting is a complete no no, he makes no contribution apart from going missing. He's a good sub to bring on for 20 minutes against tired defences and thats it at the moment.