I'm not a fan of the booing but to be honest and didn't boo yesterday but it was not going to take much yesterday after last weeks pathetic, abysmal surrender to Millwall. The wounds were still very much open yesterday. I imagine most of you getting your knickers in a twist about this weren't at Millwall.
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and as Keith has just explained if you watch the vid, he has told us what works and what would help, booing wasnt on the list, and booing even before a layer kicks a ball, now that is disgusting matey.....
Fortunately Keith isnt the only person who has an opinion on the matter. These other people, I believe their called Phychological Doctors, have done studies on things like this, but hey ho, don't let little thing like facts get in the way of your blind arguement.
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]None of us are suggesting its the fans fault that we wouldnt go up
Yeah.... some are....
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]the debate is about wheterh booing can be productive at any point and the answer is NO.....
That's the answer in YOUR opinion, the great thing about Humans is we can all have different opinions. Neither of us can know exactly what goes on in a players head. The booing might have helped Mooney yesterday, without it he may have scored a hatrick, nobody will ever know.
I personally think we have got much bigger things to worry about than a few fans decided to boo a player. (Although I'd still argue the boo prior to the game wasnt directly aimed at mooney, but more at the fact that Jonjo wasnt playing!
[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU5[/cite](Although I'd still argue the boo prior to the game wasnt directly aimed at mooney, but more at the fact that Jonjo wasnt playing![/quote
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]the numbers booing are minimal how about the cheerers drown out the booers ... oh can't do that cos we're all so quiet
In the end booing does not help the team. It didn't help us 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and whenever else fans have done it.
It's ridiculous that Mooney was booed before the game had even started. I can understand the frustration, a lot of fans me included want to see Shelvey back in the team.
I also think most if not all of the team are trying their best, the way we're playing isn't because of a lack of effort
How about the observation that the North Upper houses what little atmosphere and singing The Valley can create these days and is also the hotbed for the booing.
Perhaps people who sit there have a little more passion than the statues sitting elsewhere?
Actually I don`t sing and have never been a singer at football but believe me that there is Nobody who is more passionate than me about Charlton Athletic.
It's high time the club introduced a booing section, where fans who want to boo can congregate & boo without fear of detrimental judgment from non-booers.
Players would also benefit, those inspired to perform better by boos could celebrate in front of them by sarcastically applauding the booers when they score, players who are upset by the boos could cup an ear at them from a more appreciative part of the stadium when performing their job a bit better.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Actually I don`t sing and have never been a singer at football but believe me that there is Nobody who is more passionate than me about Charlton Athletic.
So how exactly do you feel you get behind the team? IMHO sitting in silence does more damange than booing.
By attending regularly for 49 years through thick and thin. Buying a season ticket and being a member of Valley Gold.Buying merchandise and naming my daughter Valley. Cheering in their success and feel despair for the failures. NEVER BOO. If that not good enough then with the greatest respect to AFKAs post then .... off.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]By attending regularly for 49 years through thick and thin. Buying a season ticket and being a member of Valley Gold.Buying merchandise and naming my daughter Valley. Cheering in their success and feel despair for the failures. NEVER BOO. If that not good enough then with the greatest respect to AFKAs post then .... off.
Does Mooney having one good game justify his response to the boos?
He wasn't booed for having one poor game, he's been singled out because of a string of woeful performances. If it was only about last week i would be saying good on you Mooney, give it back to them they deserve it, but it wasn't.
You wasn't booed for having one bad game so don't give it the big "i am" for having one good one. Play as well as you can every week then that answers the boo boys, not scoring one goal.
as absolutely none of us on this thread is a booer,then it really ought to be very simple that when the booing starts then for the rest of us to actually cheer the players on and drown the booers out.how easy would that be to show our support? or we could all be judgemental shake our heads,not really do anything maybe mumble a little and sit down and accept the dross being served up again.blame everything else in the world especially the booers as they are scum. have a few little sound bites ready ready for the internet to lord ourselves over these so called 'supporters' as,well, we're just better than them of course and it'll make us feel better about ourselves even though we've all contributed slightly less than the management and players.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]By attending regularly for 49 years through thick and thin. Buying a season ticket and being a member of Valley Gold.Buying merchandise and naming my daughter Valley. Cheering in their success and feel despair for the failures. NEVER BOO. If that not good enough then with the greatest respect to AFKAs post then fuck off.
But, if as you suggest, booing has this massive negative effect on our poor lambs, then surely you must be able to see the positives in singing, cheerings and getting behind the team vocally, yet decide not to take part.
IMHO the dosile atmosphere at the valley does far more damage than a few people booing.
[cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]as absolutely none of us on this thread is a booer,then it really ought to be very simple that when the booing starts then for the rest of us to actually cheer the players on and drown the booers out.how easy would that be to show our support? or we could all be judgemental shake our heads,not really do anything maybe mumble a little and sit down and accept the dross being served up again.blame everything else in the world especially the booers as they are scum. have a few little sound bites ready ready for the internet to lord ourselves over these so called 'supporters' as,well, we're just better than them of course and it'll make us feel better about ourselves even though we've all contributed slightly less than the management and players.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]By attending regularly for 49 years through thick and thin. Buying a season ticket and being a member of Valley Gold.Buying merchandise and naming my daughter Valley. Cheering in their success and feel despair for the failures. NEVER BOO. If that not good enough then with the greatest respect to AFKAs post then fuck off.
But, if as you suggest, booing has this massive negative effect on our poor lambs, then surely you must be able to see the positives in singing, cheerings and getting behind the team vocally, yet decide not to take part.
IMHO the dosile atmosphere at the valley does far more damage than a few people booing.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Have you been drinking ?
i must concede that the concept of cheering and getting behind the team may be lost on most and possibly slightly extreme,but i am happy to go with it!
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]
Fortunately your opinion is not worth much.
Has a lot in common with your support then.
Quality reply Stu ! Honestly.
In response I could mention Mr. R. Muray.I don`t see him jumping up and down and singing songs at matches. I suppose he`s not much use either. Think your argument through for christs sake.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Quality reply Stu ! Honestly.
Took about as much effort as:
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]
Fortunately your opinion is not worth much.
Anyhows, it would appear you are someone else who wants to have it both ways.
If booing has a negative effect, then surely, cheering, singing etc must have a positive effect, right? Someone sitting in silence is about as usefull to the players as an empty seat, as domonstrated by the numerous requests for us to vocally back our team, still, probably a bit too much effort for some, eh.
I only agree with booing if the team as a whole clearly arn't trying and putting the effort in, other than that if a player gets something wrong then I don't like it at all. I didn't like hearing Mooney getting booed when his name was read out and he was constantly berated by people around me, I'm not a fan of his at all but even I could see that he was trying really hard and I was glad that he celebrated the way he did. It's funny how a lot of us thought that the booing was unacceptable yet the majority of fans were doing it and it's only us the minority that thought there was something wrong. I think that just shows that we are in fact the sensible, decent fans that actually know our football and the majority of our fans are in fact the idiotic ones. I always make a point of saying to ollywozere that the majority of our fans are wankers which is a sentiment he seems to agree with. It's unfortunate I know but you know can you really see people like the idiots that pulled down my Jamaica flag when I was just trying to show some support for Deon Burton coming on here and making valid points about the game?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Quality reply Stu ! Honestly.
Took about as much effort as:
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]
Fortunately your opinion is not worth much.
Anyhows, it would appear you are someone else who wants to have it both ways.
If booing has a negative effect, then surely, cheering, singing etc must have a positive effect, right? Someone sitting in silence is about as usefull to the players as an empty seat, as domonstrated by the numerous requests for us to vocally back our team, still, probably a bit too much effort for some, eh.
Do you know what. Perhaps you are right. Lets hope that Richard Murrays seat is not empty in the near future. You didn`t have a smart answer to that one though did you. Have another crack.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Do you know what. Perhaps you are right. Lets hope that Richard Murrays seat is not empty in the near future. You didn`t have a smart answer to that one though did you. Have another crack.
We are talking about supporters, now whilst Mr R Murray is a supporter, he is alsothe chairman of the club, it doenst take a genious to figure out that he is not going to sit and sing along like a normal supporter, nor should he, it wouldnt be right.
However, if we rolled back the years, I wonder if Mr Murray used to sing a cheer along with fellow addicks, I bet he did.
Don`t think he was ever a "terrace" supporter to be honest though I take your point. At the end of the day I am gonna quote AFKA from another thread in that we are like two bald men arguing over a comb. You support Charlton in your way and me in mine. In truth I copped the hump by the suggestion (was it you) that not being a vocal supporter makes you less passionate about your team. Trust me it doesn`t. Take care .
after 40+ years of supporting this team if i want to boo i will --- end of.
17,000 there yestrday and we were kak again -----------booing so what ? people made the effort to go even after the team didnt show up against Nillwall and we get another bag of kak against a team who arestruggling to stay in this level-----------says it all.
I think if the idiots, yes idiots and irritating ones at that, realised that when booing that they:
1. Resembled a hairy strawberry
2. Sounded like graham norton with a sore throat
They would probably do it a lot less.
As for whether it has a positive effect or not, it really depends on the player, however when booing the whole team you guarantee that you will help some and make others play worse. whereas a bit of positivity from the crowd will virtually always have a better outcome on your team.
My final point is reserved to the very strange people in the north upper yesterday who made not a sound when we scored but would curse and rant we we made an error. You guys have my pity.
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Fortunately Keith isnt the only person who has an opinion on the matter. These other people, I believe their called Phychological Doctors, have done studies on things like this, but hey ho, don't let little thing like facts get in the way of your blind arguement.
Yeah.... some are....
That's the answer in YOUR opinion, the great thing about Humans is we can all have different opinions. Neither of us can know exactly what goes on in a players head. The booing might have helped Mooney yesterday, without it he may have scored a hatrick, nobody will ever know.
I personally think we have got much bigger things to worry about than a few fans decided to boo a player. (Although I'd still argue the boo prior to the game wasnt directly aimed at mooney, but more at the fact that Jonjo wasnt playing!
this.
This would be such an easy answer.
It's ridiculous that Mooney was booed before the game had even started. I can understand the frustration, a lot of fans me included want to see Shelvey back in the team.
I also think most if not all of the team are trying their best, the way we're playing isn't because of a lack of effort
Perhaps people who sit there have a little more passion than the statues sitting elsewhere?
Players would also benefit, those inspired to perform better by boos could celebrate in front of them by sarcastically applauding the booers when they score, players who are upset by the boos could cup an ear at them from a more appreciative part of the stadium when performing their job a bit better.
So how exactly do you feel you get behind the team? IMHO sitting in silence does more damange than booing.
He wasn't booed for having one poor game, he's been singled out because of a string of woeful performances. If it was only about last week i would be saying good on you Mooney, give it back to them they deserve it, but it wasn't.
You wasn't booed for having one bad game so don't give it the big "i am" for having one good one. Play as well as you can every week then that answers the boo boys, not scoring one goal.
But, if as you suggest, booing has this massive negative effect on our poor lambs, then surely you must be able to see the positives in singing, cheerings and getting behind the team vocally, yet decide not to take part.
IMHO the dosile atmosphere at the valley does far more damage than a few people booing.
Have you been drinking ?
Fortunately your opinion is not worth much.
i must concede that the concept of cheering and getting behind the team may be lost on most and possibly slightly extreme,but i am happy to go with it!
Has a lot in common with your support then.
Quality reply Stu ! Honestly.
In response I could mention Mr. R. Muray.I don`t see him jumping up and down and singing songs at matches. I suppose he`s not much use either. Think your argument through for christs sake.
Took about as much effort as:
Anyhows, it would appear you are someone else who wants to have it both ways.
If booing has a negative effect, then surely, cheering, singing etc must have a positive effect, right? Someone sitting in silence is about as usefull to the players as an empty seat, as domonstrated by the numerous requests for us to vocally back our team, still, probably a bit too much effort for some, eh.
Do you know what. Perhaps you are right. Lets hope that Richard Murrays seat is not empty in the near future. You didn`t have a smart answer to that one though did you. Have another crack.
We are talking about supporters, now whilst Mr R Murray is a supporter, he is alsothe chairman of the club, it doenst take a genious to figure out that he is not going to sit and sing along like a normal supporter, nor should he, it wouldnt be right.
However, if we rolled back the years, I wonder if Mr Murray used to sing a cheer along with fellow addicks, I bet he did.
17,000 there yestrday and we were kak again -----------booing so what ? people made the effort to go even after the team didnt show up against Nillwall and we get another bag of kak against a team who arestruggling to stay in this level-----------says it all.
1. Resembled a hairy strawberry
2. Sounded like graham norton with a sore throat
They would probably do it a lot less.
As for whether it has a positive effect or not, it really depends on the player, however when booing the whole team you guarantee that you will help some and make others play worse. whereas a bit of positivity from the crowd will virtually always have a better outcome on your team.
My final point is reserved to the very strange people in the north upper yesterday who made not a sound when we scored but would curse and rant we we made an error. You guys have my pity.