[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]For me Tuna showed at times he's got a decent footballing brain like Parky has talked about, but other times his touch was poor or he made a mistake. Wouldn't say he was class but he shouldn't written off as never going to be good enough either.
McLeod still never convinces me, even when he has a decent game. Always looks to be pretty much all pace, bit of decent movement but lacking in every other area.
Not seen Tuna yet but agree with that assessment of Mcleod. I'm not in the camp the Dickson is a guaranteed solution to this problem, but I do feel he's a better all round player (stronger, more skillful, better finisher, and when he's thinking right can get his head up a be a bit inventive). Mcleod is very one dimensional. However, that one dimension can be a weapon at this level, especially against tiring legs as a substitute, but he got to stick away some chances and soon - and I mean properly, not by fortune of goalkeeping lapses or massive deflections. Hopefully he'll then start to look confident and relax a bit and might stop shanking so many of his shots.
Wasn't at yesterdays game, so missed McKenzie's cameo but I'll be interested to see him - hopefully he'll offer a viable alternative to Burton and/or Mcleod, but I'm not wriring Mcleod off just yet - he at least seems able to make a few things happen.
[cite]Posted By: bexleyboy[/cite] the lazy git Burton failed to do all afternoon...
Ever tried playing up front by yourself marked out of the game by 2 defenders that are much bigger than you and are getting away with everything because the Ref and Lino haven't read the rule book?
Burton works hard every game but if the midfield aren't firing on all cylinders there is not much he can do about it.
[cite]Posted By: bexleyboy[/cite]the lazy git Burton failed to do all afternoon...
Ever tried playing up front by yourself marked out of the game by 2 defenders that are much bigger than you and are getting away with everything because the Ref and Lino haven't read the rule book?
Burton works hard every game but if the midfield aren't firing on all cylinders there is not much he can do about it.
Also didn't train all week so probably not 100% fit.
Do agree with that about Dickson, he's that little bit more unpredictable than McLeod due to having a bit more strength and skill. McLeod will probably never play any higher than this level regularly, but I do agree in this league he's useful.
Like I said he doesn't convince me, but every time he comes on he pretty much always gets a couple of chances. He's offering something to the team and most of the time it's only in 15-20 minute cameos. Confidence seems to be a big issue with him, just like it was with Varney. The more chances he missed, the more pressure he felt he was under, so the more he panicked when he got another chance. Limited player, one dimensional like you say, but that doesn't mean he's not useful for us, at least while we don't have many other options.
As for McKenzie, he should be decent at this level but it wasn't long enough to tell just how good he might be.
If McLeod has a string of bad games then fair enough, but the vitriol Im seeing here is unwarranted for a couple of bad misses,Burton has missed some absloute sitters this season and hasnt come in for the same sort of venomous comments that McLeod has....get behind the players or else we will end up revisiting the crap performances we saw in the last two seasons....then you'll really have something to moan about.
10 in 13 games from Dickson shows that he is potentially a 25 goal a season striker, from what we have all seen of McLeod he is not. Dickson may not put in a shift but judging by Shelvey yesterday he needs a rest so what about Burton and Dickson up front together. Dicksons best games for the club were alongside the target man in Kandol. Burton imo is a much better hold up player than Kandol and with his intelligent link up play this should be perfect for Dickson to run off him and get into more goalscoring positions, we saw yesterday when Burton comes deep or goes wide, we have very few options in the box. McLeod is still a good impact player but he cannot finish, could you see Beckford, Grant Holt, Jordan Rhodes etc missing all those chances yesterday
chris dickson another one of the many we've had recently at charlton who are so much better when not in 'our' team a bit like mcleod ....pony is my description of them and these pony players are the reason we're in a pony league unable to beat pony teams like oldham ....
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]10 in 13 games from Dickson shows that he is potentially a 25 goal a season striker, from what we have all seen of McLeod he is not. Dickson may not put in a shift but judging by Shelvey yesterday he needs a rest so what about Burton and Dickson up front together. Dicksons best games for the club were alongside the target man in Kandol.
Burton imo is a much better hold up player than Kandol and with his intelligent link up play this should be perfect for Dickson to run off him and get into more goalscoring positions, we saw yesterday when Burton comes deep or goes wide, we have very few options in the box.
McLeod is still a good impact player but he cannot finish, could you see Beckford, Grant Holt, Jordan Rhodes etc missing all those chances yesterday
Didn't beckford miss a relatively easy chance against us, early doors last week? The real issue is not Dickson or McCleod, it os how do we improve our fire power and that maybe the introduction of Leon McCenzie, bringing back Dickson, sussing out what McCleod needs toi get it right or even bringing in a loan player. I feel sorry for Parkie because he is "lumbered" with what he has and has not been allowed to bring in new blood through a transfer fee. We are getting to the stage though where we need to do something, as we cannot afford to slip too far down the table, after such a good start.
Beckfords chance last week was nowhere near as easy as McLeods yesterday but you are right about needing to change things soon, Huddersfield next week will be very difficult and they will probably score against us so we need to take our chances, they also have a very good keeper. We also have MK Dons coming up and they will be tricky so think there is a need for some freshening up. Was impressed by McKenzies cameo so maybe give him a start, and McLeod from the start will have a huge point to prove so despite all the stick I think we should start him as lets be honest that is where he will really be judged not in the odd 20 mins when it can be hard to get into a game and find your range! Shelvey could do with a rest and maybe Burton as well, he has struggled a little since Norwich away so for me McKenzie and McLeod next week, if things go wrong with 4-4-2 then McKenzie can play left if we want to revert back to the current formation and Burton and Shelvey can always come on. Would also like to see Luke Holden get a chance from the bench soon, he looked impressive in the shototing practise against Barnet (I know this does not make him a good player) and looks like he has a sweet left foot
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]
Shelvey could do with a rest and maybe Burton as well, he has struggled a little since Norwich away so for me McKenzie and McLeod next week, if things go wrong with 4-4-2 then McKenzie can play left if we want to revert back to the current formation and Burton and Shelvey can always come on.
Agree with you mate; but as we never looked like losing to Oldham, I suspect Parky will probably stick for now
I wasnt there yesterday but I was howling at the radio along with everyone at the Valley. From what I have seen of Dickson though, there are a lot of deluded people here. Perhaps you can remind me which games in a Charlton shirt he played where he put in a shift like e.g Burton against Brentford?
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Good goal scorers are not always hard-working team players. Dickson has three goals this year in three games and is a bit of a luxury player, one who'll look out of place in an ordinary team as he did when he played for us last year, but one who with the right service will score enough goals to justify his place. Comparing Dickson to Burton in any case isn't fair, they are different types of forward.
Have people forgot Dickson's games against Burnley, Bristol City and Plymouth in the division above? Been a long time since I have seen a Charlton striker cause a defence so many problems (albeit without scoring). Burton is a completely different type of striker and he will work his socks off, whether he can be ruthless infront of goal and get 25 goals a season remains to be seen! Certainly think there is a very strong case for a Burton and Dickson partnership
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]I actually don't think one win in the league in the last six is steadying the ship. What has happened is that sides have watched us enough now and know how to nullify our threats - get two players on Burton - one to mark and one to pick up the knock downs and touches, stop Shelvey having space in the final third, prevent the ball from Llera out to Sam and close him down early, ensure you track Bailey with late runs into the box - and guess what, we don't really appear to have a Plan B.
As Plan B is bringing on McLeod to make 4-4-2. Yes he makes space, yes, he gets chances, but he's not a very good striker and so Plan B isn't really very effective!
Time for Parky to now show he's more than just a manager who can get the BEST team in the division out on the park and let them win games on their own....
agree. Now is the time we will see what Parky is made of, whether he will sink or swim. One win in six, no goals in the last three, some poor performances. IMO the wheels are starting to come off .....
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]... and the knives are clearly being sharpened by some. Pathetic really.
After our great start opposing teams from mid-table down are never going to be criticised for coming to the Valley, playing defensively and trying to score on the break and that is potentially the problem now. I was pleased to see Parky be brave in his choice and timing of substitutions yesterday and he hasn't always been that proactive, but the 4-5-1 formation we utilise is a bit predictable and therefore easy to counter. If Sam and Burton are closed down then much of our attacking threat is negated. I'd like to see the 4-5-1 formation evolve into something a bit more threatening, if teams are going to play deep then the least we could do is be a bit more adventurous.
Is it a mistake asking him to play as the lone striker tho, might as well get dicko back in that case, seems a hundred time better than mcleod, if only he and parky cd kiss n make up..
I'll forgive any player who isn't good enough. You could argue that he was booted long, so it's not his natural game, but there were several points where he simply couldn't be bothered to trot 10 yards to try and put a challenge in.
This will probably be controversial but is it time to give him a run in the side?
If he can knuckle down and get his confidence back i think he'd be ok in this division. If Akpo Sodje, Clive Platt and Odejayi can score goals in this league i think McLeod can too. He might well miss a few chances and frustrate us but he has pace and quite a lot of defenders in this league don't, so his pace will cause them problems, create openings and more importantly give us an outlet. Time and again this season we hit it long and it comes straight back, at least with him we'd have someone to run onto things.
We know he can score goals as he scored 54 in 105 games for MK Dons. He just needs to improve his attitude, get a run in the side and get some confidence back.
All comes down to if he wants to play for the club...properly, and not just pick up his money.
With the club likely to lose its best players, we are gonna need to become a team of hard workers and players that wanna fight for the club. I cant see our old mukka Izale falling into that category.
It is controversial but I cannot see anyone else taking him and his wages so i have to agree that maybe he can play a part. Disgraced himself at Northwich but if he plays with a target man, can be effective. We are not going to get much better whilst going into the last year of his contract, surely he knows it will be last chance saloon. Would rather Dagnall though.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]This will probably be controversial but is it time to give him a run in the side?
If he can knuckle down and get his confidence back i think he'd be ok in this division. If Akpo Sodje, Clive Platt and Odejayi can score goals in this league i think McLeod can too. He might well miss a few chances and frustrate us but he has pace and quite a lot of defenders in this league don't, so his pace will cause them problems, create openings and more importantly give us an outlet. Time and again this season we hit it long and it comes straight back, at least with him we'd have someone to run onto things.
We know he can score goals as he scored 54 in 105 games for MK Dons. He just needs to improve his attitude, get a run in the side and get some confidence back.
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Not seen Tuna yet but agree with that assessment of Mcleod. I'm not in the camp the Dickson is a guaranteed solution to this problem, but I do feel he's a better all round player (stronger, more skillful, better finisher, and when he's thinking right can get his head up a be a bit inventive). Mcleod is very one dimensional. However, that one dimension can be a weapon at this level, especially against tiring legs as a substitute, but he got to stick away some chances and soon - and I mean properly, not by fortune of goalkeeping lapses or massive deflections. Hopefully he'll then start to look confident and relax a bit and might stop shanking so many of his shots.
Wasn't at yesterdays game, so missed McKenzie's cameo but I'll be interested to see him - hopefully he'll offer a viable alternative to Burton and/or Mcleod, but I'm not wriring Mcleod off just yet - he at least seems able to make a few things happen.
Ever tried playing up front by yourself marked out of the game by 2 defenders that are much bigger than you and are getting away with everything because the Ref and Lino haven't read the rule book?
Burton works hard every game but if the midfield aren't firing on all cylinders there is not much he can do about it.
Also didn't train all week so probably not 100% fit.
Like I said he doesn't convince me, but every time he comes on he pretty much always gets a couple of chances. He's offering something to the team and most of the time it's only in 15-20 minute cameos. Confidence seems to be a big issue with him, just like it was with Varney. The more chances he missed, the more pressure he felt he was under, so the more he panicked when he got another chance. Limited player, one dimensional like you say, but that doesn't mean he's not useful for us, at least while we don't have many other options.
As for McKenzie, he should be decent at this level but it wasn't long enough to tell just how good he might be.
Burton imo is a much better hold up player than Kandol and with his intelligent link up play this should be perfect for Dickson to run off him and get into more goalscoring positions, we saw yesterday when Burton comes deep or goes wide, we have very few options in the box.
McLeod is still a good impact player but he cannot finish, could you see Beckford, Grant Holt, Jordan Rhodes etc missing all those chances yesterday
Didn't beckford miss a relatively easy chance against us, early doors last week? The real issue is not Dickson or McCleod, it os how do we improve our fire power and that maybe the introduction of Leon McCenzie, bringing back Dickson, sussing out what McCleod needs toi get it right or even bringing in a loan player. I feel sorry for Parkie because he is "lumbered" with what he has and has not been allowed to bring in new blood through a transfer fee. We are getting to the stage though where we need to do something, as we cannot afford to slip too far down the table, after such a good start.
Shelvey could do with a rest and maybe Burton as well, he has struggled a little since Norwich away so for me McKenzie and McLeod next week, if things go wrong with 4-4-2 then McKenzie can play left if we want to revert back to the current formation and Burton and Shelvey can always come on.
Would also like to see Luke Holden get a chance from the bench soon, he looked impressive in the shototing practise against Barnet (I know this does not make him a good player) and looks like he has a sweet left foot
Agree with you mate; but as we never looked like losing to Oldham, I suspect Parky will probably stick for now
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Good goal scorers are not always hard-working team players. Dickson has three goals this year in three games and is a bit of a luxury player, one who'll look out of place in an ordinary team as he did when he played for us last year, but one who with the right service will score enough goals to justify his place. Comparing Dickson to Burton in any case isn't fair, they are different types of forward.
Burton is a completely different type of striker and he will work his socks off, whether he can be ruthless infront of goal and get 25 goals a season remains to be seen!
Certainly think there is a very strong case for a Burton and Dickson partnership
agree. Now is the time we will see what Parky is made of, whether he will sink or swim. One win in six, no goals in the last three, some poor performances. IMO the wheels are starting to come off .....
After our great start opposing teams from mid-table down are never going to be criticised for coming to the Valley, playing defensively and trying to score on the break and that is potentially the problem now. I was pleased to see Parky be brave in his choice and timing of substitutions yesterday and he hasn't always been that proactive, but the 4-5-1 formation we utilise is a bit predictable and therefore easy to counter. If Sam and Burton are closed down then much of our attacking threat is negated. I'd like to see the 4-5-1 formation evolve into something a bit more threatening, if teams are going to play deep then the least we could do is be a bit more adventurous.
Another arrogant young man who doesn't know he is born and how lucky he is to play for a club like ours.
If he can knuckle down and get his confidence back i think he'd be ok in this division. If Akpo Sodje, Clive Platt and Odejayi can score goals in this league i think McLeod can too. He might well miss a few chances and frustrate us but he has pace and quite a lot of defenders in this league don't, so his pace will cause them problems, create openings and more importantly give us an outlet. Time and again this season we hit it long and it comes straight back, at least with him we'd have someone to run onto things.
We know he can score goals as he scored 54 in 105 games for MK Dons. He just needs to improve his attitude, get a run in the side and get some confidence back.
we may have no choice however
With the club likely to lose its best players, we are gonna need to become a team of hard workers and players that wanna fight for the club. I cant see our old mukka Izale falling into that category.
agree, as I have said in the rumours thread.