[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]Unfortunately it is though isn't it? ....
I think it's yet another example of the 'bubble' that curent pro footballers live in i.e. that nothing they ever do is ever their fault and they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
I know it is and that is of course fair comment - hence my point it was ill advised, but there's too much talk about the reaction of one player and little or no criticism of the Arsenal fans conduct - they incited his reaction, just as much as he incited theirs.
If fotballers live in a bubble then so do fans who think the normal rules of society don't apply inside or immediately outside a football ground.
I think it's yet another example of the 'bubble' that curent pro footballers live in i.e. that nothing they ever do is ever their fault and they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
I know it is and that is of course fair comment - hence my point it was ill advised, but there's too much talk about the reaction of one player and little or no criticism of the Arsenal fans conduct - they incited his reaction, just as much as he incited theirs.
If fotballers live in a bubble then so do fans who think the normal rules of society don't apply inside or immediately outside a football ground.
Agree 100% with that EA. I have no sympathy for the indignant Gooners phoning into the radio shows blaming him totally for it and the focus of the media being solely on the player (idiot that he is).
it was ill advised, but there's too much talk about the reaction of one player and little or no criticism of the Arsenal fans conduct - they incited his reaction, just as much as he incited theirs.
If footballers live in a bubble then so do fans who think the normal rules of society don't apply inside or immediately outside a football ground.
[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]I'm with Razil, it doesn't always have to stand up in court for us to know what is meant. That Spurs chant crosses a line imo.
I'm not saying that haven't crossed the line or that the chants were out of order. But the chant is unpleasant enough without adding labels to it. There are plenty of reasons that people chanting that could be arrested without the police tactic of throwing every possibly relevant offense at it and hoping that the defendants are so overwhelmed they'll admit to anything. As mentioned in the earlier story, fans not chanting this chant were threatened with being charged with racist and homophobic offenses and offered the "easy option" of a misdemenour charge. A clear indication charges were only mentioned to try and force the hand of those being charged to take the lesser charges. That's not the way the law should work and it is an abuse of the system by the police.
"Well you can take charge A, or we'll pin charges X,Y and Z on you and see what sticks"
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.
What makes me chuckle is the fact they were throwing burgers at him, what a waste. For the only ever time I wouldn't have gave a shite had he been hit by a coin as he was inviting it to happen, especially after what he did to RvP, disgraceful, malicious little p**ck. Was big of RvP to pay him respect after the game.
But at the end of the day I was happy with the result. Would love City to break into the top 4.
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...
[quote][cite]Posted By: Medders[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.[/quote]
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.[/quote]
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...[/quote]
Fair enough...but if Pardew had run over to the North Stand and celebrated had Southampton won the match on Saturday would you be so accepting?
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...
Fair enough...but if Pardew had run over to the North Stand and celebrated had Southampton won the match on Saturday would you be so accepting?
i said earlier that i would give him dogs abuse during the game i would run to the front to hurl that abuse but once outside i would have said to anyone fair play to him after what we have given him and i wouldnt bleat and bitch about it like these poxy gooners are
i thought the celebration was great and fans should shut the fuck up moaning and get over it. if u can give it take it.
As for the van persie thing I am in 2 minds part of me thinks I cant see how he did it on purpose as he looked like he was off blance at the time and he would have done well to do it but then u read RVP's comments and it's clear they never got on so if he did do it on purpose throw the book at him but can't see how it can be proved.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.[/quote]
i agree with this. Also I don't see why arsenal aren't in trouble when one of their fans (incited or otherwise) threw a "missile" & knocked a steward unconscious. Don't see why Adebayor is having to take the full blame for that.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]hanging from a tree reference to American South lynchings
Have to Disagree mate. I know black Spurs fans who sing that song, I'm fairly sure they are not singing it in remeberence of Deep South lynchings.
For me, the song crosses the line because it is particuarly personal and vindictive, the clamour by the police\media to label the song as racist just shows how brainwashed we have all become, we obviously can't be trusted to make up our own minds so it needs to have a 'label' put on it at which point we are all supposed to throw our hands up in unison and say 'how terrible they are singing racist songs, jail the thugs'
Anyway back to my original point, I can understand the argument that if fans can't take it the they shouldn't give it but the problem I have with these type of celebrations is that they can create problems after the game.
So whilst the player is safely on the team coach home with a nice police escort one of his teams fans walking back to their car on their todd could be getting picked of by someone looking for revenge.
Ultimately players do it because they know that nobody's going to risk the lifetime ban and criminal proceedings if they go on to the pitch and clout them. Fans making their way home after the match dont always enjoy the same protection.
Regarding the celebration of Adebayor, look at it this way.
Here in Oz, the National Rugby League have a two-stage policy regarding on-field violence.
If you are in a tackle and a fight breaks out between you and your direct opponent then you will be sin-binned at worst because the view is that in the heat of the battle these things take place.
However, if you run from elsewhere on the field to start a fight or take part in an ongoing altercation then you get sent off or banned for several weeks [after the game by the match review panel] because you will have been deemed to intentionally caused trouble by your actions.
That's why Adebayor will get banned for this, because he had time to think about the stupidity of his actions and he damned well did it anyway.
Fabregas -deserves everything he gets... almost put Rommedahl in hospital (yeah, yeah etc) with a similar tackle at the Valley. Van Persie -odious little creep. As said before gets away with sooo much, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. Goal celebration -complete hypocrisy once again from those odious gooners, who again, whether it be getting away with fouls on other teams; umpteen goals which should have been disallowed; tons of dodgy injury time; biast refs; biast media, biast heads of the f.a.... are happy to take all these things, but whine like hell and play the victim when *any* of these things happen against them.
Odious club, odious manager, odious players and odious fans.
Awwww did Arsenal have something not go their way for once they F***ing deserve it good man Adebayor. The stamp was a little harsh yes, but the celebration was needed arsenal fans are all prawn sandwich eating bellends nowadays anyway and most of them couldnt batter a sausage. So them riot dont make me laugh. P{lus they gave him nothing but stick when he was there so they deserve it. Yu play with fire you will get burned gooner w***ers
Therein lies the whole point of why he should be punished. Many of us are old enough to remember terracing and that, occassionally, people got hurt (or worse) because of the crushing/tripping that happened when there was a big surge forward. I for one would not want any child of mine to have been in front of that lot of Gooners at the weekend who responded to his goading like that. Both parties should be punished and throw in a ban for RVP too.
[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]
Therein lies the whole point of why he should be punished. Many of us are old enough to remember terracing and that, occassionally, people got hurt (or worse) because of the crushing/tripping that happened when there was a big surge forward. I for one would not want any child of mine to have been in front of that lot of Gooners at the weekend who responded to his goading like that. Both parties should be punished and throw in a ban for RVP too.
[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]
Therein lies the whole point of why he should be punished. Many of us are old enough to remember terracing and that, occassionally, people got hurt (or worse) because of the crushing/tripping that happened when there was a big surge forward. I for one would not want any child of mine to have been in front of that lot of Gooners at the weekend who responded to his goading like that. Both parties should be punished and throw in a ban for RVP too.
He HAS been punished.
Charged anyway. We'll see what happens when the lawyers get involved.
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...
Fair enough...but if Pardew had run over to the North Stand and celebrated had Southampton won the match on Saturday would you be so accepting?
Absolutely yes. He'd be getting abuse all game, so why shouldn't he respond.... and equally why shouldnt we accept that? Atmosphere is seriously lacking from stadiums around the country and, in my opinion, this is partly down to a lack of two-way banter between us and the players/managers
Let's be honest football would be all the less interesting but for things like this.
The tackle on Adebayor was disgraceful and could have been a sending off on another day but is all but forgotten because he reacted to it. I'm with those who say 'if you can't take it don't dish it out'. The Arse fans were stupid for winding him up. As we know to our cost former players will raise their game if fans rile them. The celebration was instinctive and funny IMO. If it had been done to us, sure, I'd be annoyed but it's all part of the game we love.
Absolutely yes. He'd be getting abuse all game, so why shouldn't he respond.... and equally why shouldnt we accept that? Atmosphere is seriously lacking from stadiums around the country and, in my opinion, this is partly down to a lack of two-way banter between us and the players/managers
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So if a player gets kicked by another player, then he's entitled to kick back?
I've no problems with Adebayor celebrating the goal, but the manner in which he did it was a little OTT.
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Man Utd started that chant years ago
As I said, tenuous stuff that wouldn't stand up in a court of law, unless only homosexuals get HIV and only black people are ever hanged?
I know it is and that is of course fair comment - hence my point it was ill advised, but there's too much talk about the reaction of one player and little or no criticism of the Arsenal fans conduct - they incited his reaction, just as much as he incited theirs.
If fotballers live in a bubble then so do fans who think the normal rules of society don't apply inside or immediately outside a football ground.
As I said, tenuous stuff that wouldn't stand up in a court of law, unless only homosexuals get HIV and only black people are ever hanged?"
can't agree mate sorry
Agree 100% with that EA. I have no sympathy for the indignant Gooners phoning into the radio shows blaming him totally for it and the focus of the media being solely on the player (idiot that he is).
Hope he smashes in the winner there from a Toure pass
I'm not saying that haven't crossed the line or that the chants were out of order. But the chant is unpleasant enough without adding labels to it. There are plenty of reasons that people chanting that could be arrested without the police tactic of throwing every possibly relevant offense at it and hoping that the defendants are so overwhelmed they'll admit to anything. As mentioned in the earlier story, fans not chanting this chant were threatened with being charged with racist and homophobic offenses and offered the "easy option" of a misdemenour charge. A clear indication charges were only mentioned to try and force the hand of those being charged to take the lesser charges. That's not the way the law should work and it is an abuse of the system by the police.
"Well you can take charge A, or we'll pin charges X,Y and Z on you and see what sticks"
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.
But at the end of the day I was happy with the result. Would love City to break into the top 4.
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...
They shouldn't be allowed to race from one side of the pitch to the other specifically to goad/celebrate in front of them.[/quote]
Why not? If us fans are prepared to dish it out, we should be prepared to take it too...[/quote]
Fair enough...but if Pardew had run over to the North Stand and celebrated had Southampton won the match on Saturday would you be so accepting?
i said earlier that i would give him dogs abuse during the game i would run to the front to hurl that abuse but once outside i would have said to anyone fair play to him after what we have given him and i wouldnt bleat and bitch about it like these poxy gooners are
but my 2 penneth worth
i thought the celebration was great and fans should shut the fuck up moaning and get over it. if u can give it take it.
As for the van persie thing I am in 2 minds part of me thinks I cant see how he did it on purpose as he looked like he was off blance at the time and he would have done well to do it but then u read RVP's comments and it's clear they never got on so if he did do it on purpose throw the book at him but can't see how it can be proved.
i agree with this. Also I don't see why arsenal aren't in trouble when one of their fans (incited or otherwise) threw a "missile" & knocked a steward unconscious. Don't see why Adebayor is having to take the full blame for that.
Have to Disagree mate. I know black Spurs fans who sing that song, I'm fairly sure they are not singing it in remeberence of Deep South lynchings.
For me, the song crosses the line because it is particuarly personal and vindictive, the clamour by the police\media to label the song as racist just shows how brainwashed we have all become, we obviously can't be trusted to make up our own minds so it needs to have a 'label' put on it at which point we are all supposed to throw our hands up in unison and say 'how terrible they are singing racist songs, jail the thugs'
So whilst the player is safely on the team coach home with a nice police escort one of his teams fans walking back to their car on their todd could be getting picked of by someone looking for revenge.
Ultimately players do it because they know that nobody's going to risk the lifetime ban and criminal proceedings if they go on to the pitch and clout them. Fans making their way home after the match dont always enjoy the same protection.
Here in Oz, the National Rugby League have a two-stage policy regarding on-field violence.
If you are in a tackle and a fight breaks out between you and your direct opponent then you will be sin-binned at worst because the view is that in the heat of the battle these things take place.
However, if you run from elsewhere on the field to start a fight or take part in an ongoing altercation then you get sent off or banned for several weeks [after the game by the match review panel] because you will have been deemed to intentionally caused trouble by your actions.
That's why Adebayor will get banned for this, because he had time to think about the stupidity of his actions and he damned well did it anyway.
Van Persie -odious little creep. As said before gets away with sooo much, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Goal celebration -complete hypocrisy once again from those odious gooners, who again, whether it be getting away with fouls on other teams; umpteen goals which should have been disallowed; tons of dodgy injury time; biast refs; biast media, biast heads of the f.a.... are happy to take all these things, but whine like hell and play the victim when *any* of these things happen against them.
Odious club, odious manager, odious players and odious fans.
Therein lies the whole point of why he should be punished. Many of us are old enough to remember terracing and that, occassionally, people got hurt (or worse) because of the crushing/tripping that happened when there was a big surge forward. I for one would not want any child of mine to have been in front of that lot of Gooners at the weekend who responded to his goading like that. Both parties should be punished and throw in a ban for RVP too.
He HAS been punished.
Charged anyway. We'll see what happens when the lawyers get involved.
Absolutely yes. He'd be getting abuse all game, so why shouldn't he respond.... and equally why shouldnt we accept that? Atmosphere is seriously lacking from stadiums around the country and, in my opinion, this is partly down to a lack of two-way banter between us and the players/managers
The tackle on Adebayor was disgraceful and could have been a sending off on another day but is all but forgotten because he reacted to it. I'm with those who say 'if you can't take it don't dish it out'. The Arse fans were stupid for winding him up. As we know to our cost former players will raise their game if fans rile them. The celebration was instinctive and funny IMO. If it had been done to us, sure, I'd be annoyed but it's all part of the game we love.
It would be a disgrace if the celebration got a harsher punishment.
I wonder if one day it will be illegal to wind up players.
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So if a player gets kicked by another player, then he's entitled to kick back?
I've no problems with Adebayor celebrating the goal, but the manner in which he did it was a little OTT.