celebration he was booked, rightly, for. He was wrong to do it but if fans give it out they shouldnt get so precious when they get it back.
The kick was very bad and if he is banned then hes got what he deserves.
What is laughable is RVP making that statement. He refused to accept an apology and plays for a club that has made an art form of 'not seeing' such incidnet. They scream persecution over eduardo but now want blood from an ex player.
I think draw a line under it, Van Persie's tackle prior to the stamp deserved a straight red. Adebayor was wound up by it and gave him a gentle tap with his studs. If it were a true stamp Van Persie would have more than a shaving cut to show for it.
Adebayor goal celebrations were over the top but the Arsenal fans had been baiting him and had had it in for him even while he wore their shirt.
Two wrongs dont make a right but no ones died and it did make Match of the Day more interesting.
It was funny watching all those half eaten sandwiches raining down on him. The stamp was a disgrace and the celebration was bad but i have seen worse. As for RVP, he is a nasty niggly player and his tackle was a yellow at best and it is a pity that the ref did not seem to notice the incident when he was all of five yeards away
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Disgraceful kick at Van Persie and premeditated celebration designed to insult Arsenal fans. 3 match ban for kick and two for celebration should do the trick to the self important lying arrogant twat. imho of course.
He was subjected to abuse by the Arsenal fans when he played for them, and then during yesterday's game he was subjected to the kind of sustained vile chants about himself and his family that would result in the arrest of the perpetrators if it happened outside the context of a football match, and you criticise him for celebrating in a way that might insult those fans!
The celebration was dangerous and the FA should take action. But, it always astounds me when fans feel they can hurl disgusting abuse at players and then feel they have the right to get upset when those players give it back.
I absolutely love watching replays of Cantona hurling himself at that Crystal Palace thug and the startled look on the thug’s face as he realised he was getting a response to his abuse. And I absolutely loved watching Adebeyor sprinting the full length of the pitch so that he could stop in front of his abusers and say ‘Fuck You!’ He should not have done it but I can’t blame him for doing it, and if I was in his position I would have done exactly the same, and those Arsenal fans that were abusing him deserved that response.
The incident with Van Persie looks worse the more I see it. It really does look as if he meant to hurt Van Persie and he could have inflicted a serious injury. For that I think he should get a 3 match ban.
Some excellent points SE8 and many I agree with but the point that seems to be missing is that Adebayors incitement and that is exactly what it was nomatter how provoked was a very dangerous thing to do in the charged and crowded environment of a football match. I agree that those fans were totally out order with their abuse of Adebayor and were just a mass of foul mouthed morons who like was said outside the football environment would face charges. Actually those fans should face charges inside the football environment and if the Police and Arsenal have any bollox that is exactly what should happen. By the same token Adebayor was also guilty and his extremely irresponsible actions could have caused a riot with the possibility of many getting injured. Two wrongs do not make a right.
When Parker left us, he got dogs' abuse and when scored against us when he was at Newcastle, he ran the length of the field towards the Jimmy Seed Stand to the topless boys.
Let me start with the Goons. Now this comes very much with my skullcap on, but lets go back some five or six years to when Henry scored that brilliant goal (god I feel sick saying that) at the Library which got linked above and Rothko has kindly posted the pic of his celebration in front of the Spurs fans. Exactly the same situation, probably a more intense atmosphere and Henry didnt even get warned about his future conduct by by the FA or the Police given there was a large number of complaints from the Spurs fans that day and rightly so. Yet Adebayor looks as though he's going to be dragged in front of the FA...but why not Henry? Yet again, one rule for every other club in the land and one for Ars*nal.
Van Persie makes me laugh. I havent seen the incident yet (watching MOTD2 as I type) but how many times over the last 3/4 years has he got away with not being sent off for two-footed tackles, use of elbows, its endless. It's not just him either, Eboue, Fabregas, Song, Diaby...yet as soon as they are on the receiving end, they claim they are being victimised. Same with the Eduardo injury the other year, accusing the Birmingham player of deliberately trying to injure him. Ars*nal have absolutely no class as a club whatsoever. Always first to moan when things go against them. Then there was the alleged Fabregas spitting incident at the Hull Assistant Manager last year...again lack of class. You name me one other club in the country who allows their non-playing squad members to sit on the bench and then celebrate goals in the technical area and then on the pitch at the end of each game? Again...lack of class, stinks of arrogance. There's one word to decribe the lot of them...but I'm not using it on here.
Then they wonder why they are the most hated club in the land...
Good luck to Adebayor. Hopes he goes on to score a hatful and get them into the CL at the expense of Ars*nal and probably Spurs. Spurs arent bankrolled on CL qualification, Ars*nal are. The sooner the Woolwich Nomads are put back in their place, the better.
Thought Adeboreoff could have caused a serious eye injury to Vanrapist. You cant defend anyone doing that no matter who it's to. As for the celeb? Well, he wanted to rub the Gooners faces in it, and he's (so far) got away with it. However. If he'd done that and one of them had got past the stewards and lamped him, then tough shit. Dont be so cocky in the future!
The Henry comparison is not really that fair given that he had not left Spurs to go and join the Arse!
If Sol Campbell had done that at White Hart Lane after scoring for the Arse then there would have been a bloody riot.
The key word here is "professional" - players at the top level have a duty to behave professionally at all time and endangering people by needlessly goading supporters like Adebayor did on the weekend is totally unprofessional.
It is absolutely possible that someone - maybe even a child in the crowd - could have been seriously injured in the melee that his actions provoked which is exactly why he or any other player deliberately goading the crowd should face strong sanctions.
It is one thing for an away team player to score in front of the Covered End and then celebrate with his team mates in front of the CAFC fans but it is quite another if he scores in front of the Jimmy Seed Stand and then runs 100 yards to celebrate right in front of the Covered End - that's a total pre-meditated wind up.
As fans we wind up oppo players and have to put up with a bit back every now and then. But when players go out of their way to wind up opposition fans who have done absolutely nothing to them i find it annoying. Lalana yesterday for example, and Andy Gray did something similar when he scored a penalty against us for burnely.
If the fans have been giving you abuse all day then fine, but it's strange that in the excitment of scoring a goal some players first thought is to rub it in the faces of opposing fans who've done nothing to them.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]If Van Persie hadn't tried to take him out with that disgusting tackle from behind, he wouldn't have been in the posistion to get stamped on. He may think more carefully before trying to take another player out in future, but i doubt it.
If Adebayor had done what any proper pro man would do in the circumstances - got up and squared up, even clumped him - I don't think anyone could be too harsh on him and all the talk would've been about how bad RVP's lunge was.
But he didn't, he decided to do something that was totally cowardly, despicable, nasty and completely out of order. I'd throw the book at him big time for it.
Lets get this right maybe he did do VP but then i think VP and several Arsenal players tried to do him. You want to look at his rake, also take a look at the tackle put in on him. We all know Mr VP releasing a statement about how sweet and pure he is, is a load of tosh he is a dirty and snidey as they come.
The clelebration well he may get hit with a ban for inciting the crowd, but i'm pretty sure that he has the right to have a go back. I dont buy into this i pay £25 to give someone dogs abuse then when he nets against me and celebrates in front of me I charge down the stairs hurl whatever i can get my hands on at him (ps it looked like a Charlton away following with the amount of sandwiches available). I think we all have to give and take a little we may not like it but if we dish it out we should take back.
If they charge him then i'm sure there should be charges and banning orders on at least 20 Arsenal fans, for various offences.
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]Great celebration, I think players should be allowed to give it back.
The stamp was out of order.
Would you still say the same if Alan Pardew came running up to the covered end after Soouthamptons goal ?
It would make the game a bit more interesting that's for sure, the atmosphere would have picked up a notch or 2! The stewards would have sent him to the stands if he did it, which itself would be quite funny, punishing a manager by making him sit with the home fans who he's just annoyed! As Stu said, you shouldn't give out abuse if you can't take it back.
[quote][cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite]If they charge him then i'm sure there should be charges and banning orders on at least 20 Arsenal fans, for various offences.[/quote]
Agreed. I go back to the post I made a few months back after some Spurs fans got charged with "indecent chanting" at Sol Campbell. The Police argued that the "Judas whereever you may be song" was fundamentally racist and the press and media went to town all accusing us of being racist. So I guess the Greater Manchester Police will now be printing the pics in the media and press of all the goons that sung the song implying that Adebayor's Dad works in a Zoo and his Mum was a woman of ill-repute.
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]Players should be allowed to celebrate in front of away fans without consideration as to the possible consequences...by all accounts.
Celebration ill-advised given the current media spotlight on such schenagigans - BUT...
The Arsenal fans are being pathetic here. There's a simple rule in these situations - don't dish it out if you can't take it back. If you were playing Sunday League and group of blokes turned up and spent the first 60minutes of the game singling you out and shouting abuse at you - how would you react if you scored? He's not sworn or jesticulated aggresively and he's not left the pitch - just reminded the fans that have mocked him for the last 3 months exactly what they're missing.
You can't have it both ways - either bating players has to stop or players have to be able to give a bit back, within reason, and I don't think Adebayor has overstepped any marks, just shown a bit of passion.
As for the idea that it's encitement to crowd violence - if this kind of thing really is all it takes to lead to serious crowd trouble it's the fans that need to grow up, not the players.
[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]As for the idea that it's encitement to crowd violence - if this kind of thing really is all it takes to lead to serious crowd trouble it's the fans that need to grow up, not the players.
Unfortunately it is though isn't it? I know as a professional footballer he's probably of limited inteligence but he had what, 80 metres, to consider what he was doing and what might happen. But then he still did it. Knowing that it was likely to get the sort of reaction he was after.
As someone above pointed out, there could have been a serious injury as a result of the surge forward and the 'attempt' to get on the pitch, the responsibilty for which would have been shared between him and the numpties.
I think it's yet another example of the 'bubble' that curent pro footballers live in i.e. that nothing they ever do is ever their fault and they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
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The kick was very bad and if he is banned then hes got what he deserves.
What is laughable is RVP making that statement. He refused to accept an apology and plays for a club that has made an art form of 'not seeing' such incidnet. They scream persecution over eduardo but now want blood from an ex player.
Adebayor goal celebrations were over the top but the Arsenal fans had been baiting him and had had it in for him even while he wore their shirt.
Two wrongs dont make a right but no ones died and it did make Match of the Day more interesting.
Some excellent points SE8 and many I agree with but the point that seems to be missing is that Adebayors incitement and that is exactly what it was nomatter how provoked was a very dangerous thing to do in the charged and crowded environment of a football match. I agree that those fans were totally out order with their abuse of Adebayor and were just a mass of foul mouthed morons who like was said outside the football environment would face charges. Actually those fans should face charges inside the football environment and if the Police and Arsenal have any bollox that is exactly what should happen. By the same token Adebayor was also guilty and his extremely irresponsible actions could have caused a riot with the possibility of many getting injured. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Let me start with the Goons. Now this comes very much with my skullcap on, but lets go back some five or six years to when Henry scored that brilliant goal (god I feel sick saying that) at the Library which got linked above and Rothko has kindly posted the pic of his celebration in front of the Spurs fans. Exactly the same situation, probably a more intense atmosphere and Henry didnt even get warned about his future conduct by by the FA or the Police given there was a large number of complaints from the Spurs fans that day and rightly so. Yet Adebayor looks as though he's going to be dragged in front of the FA...but why not Henry? Yet again, one rule for every other club in the land and one for Ars*nal.
Van Persie makes me laugh. I havent seen the incident yet (watching MOTD2 as I type) but how many times over the last 3/4 years has he got away with not being sent off for two-footed tackles, use of elbows, its endless. It's not just him either, Eboue, Fabregas, Song, Diaby...yet as soon as they are on the receiving end, they claim they are being victimised. Same with the Eduardo injury the other year, accusing the Birmingham player of deliberately trying to injure him. Ars*nal have absolutely no class as a club whatsoever. Always first to moan when things go against them. Then there was the alleged Fabregas spitting incident at the Hull Assistant Manager last year...again lack of class. You name me one other club in the country who allows their non-playing squad members to sit on the bench and then celebrate goals in the technical area and then on the pitch at the end of each game? Again...lack of class, stinks of arrogance. There's one word to decribe the lot of them...but I'm not using it on here.
Then they wonder why they are the most hated club in the land...
Good luck to Adebayor. Hopes he goes on to score a hatful and get them into the CL at the expense of Ars*nal and probably Spurs. Spurs arent bankrolled on CL qualification, Ars*nal are. The sooner the Woolwich Nomads are put back in their place, the better.
Not sure about that one johnboy - your lot might be up there in the running as well to be fair ;o)
If Sol Campbell had done that at White Hart Lane after scoring for the Arse then there would have been a bloody riot.
The key word here is "professional" - players at the top level have a duty to behave professionally at all time and endangering people by needlessly goading supporters like Adebayor did on the weekend is totally unprofessional.
It is absolutely possible that someone - maybe even a child in the crowd - could have been seriously injured in the melee that his actions provoked which is exactly why he or any other player deliberately goading the crowd should face strong sanctions.
It is one thing for an away team player to score in front of the Covered End and then celebrate with his team mates in front of the CAFC fans but it is quite another if he scores in front of the Jimmy Seed Stand and then runs 100 yards to celebrate right in front of the Covered End - that's a total pre-meditated wind up.
If the fans have been giving you abuse all day then fine, but it's strange that in the excitment of scoring a goal some players first thought is to rub it in the faces of opposing fans who've done nothing to them.
like i said Earlier we dont call Charlton The Chalton, any fans that call their team the arsenal do not deserve your pity
But he didn't, he decided to do something that was totally cowardly, despicable, nasty and completely out of order. I'd throw the book at him big time for it.
LOL @ the guy to Henry's right who's taking a picture!!
Also the bald guy on the left and the man in the Gap hoodie.
The clelebration well he may get hit with a ban for inciting the crowd, but i'm pretty sure that he has the right to have a go back. I dont buy into this i pay £25 to give someone dogs abuse then when he nets against me and celebrates in front of me I charge down the stairs hurl whatever i can get my hands on at him (ps it looked like a Charlton away following with the amount of sandwiches available). I think we all have to give and take a little we may not like it but if we dish it out we should take back.
If they charge him then i'm sure there should be charges and banning orders on at least 20 Arsenal fans, for various offences.
Agreed. I go back to the post I made a few months back after some Spurs fans got charged with "indecent chanting" at Sol Campbell. The Police argued that the "Judas whereever you may be song" was fundamentally racist and the press and media went to town all accusing us of being racist. So I guess the Greater Manchester Police will now be printing the pics in the media and press of all the goons that sung the song implying that Adebayor's Dad works in a Zoo and his Mum was a woman of ill-repute.
Will it happen? Not a cat in hell's chance...
Glad to see it sinking in...
;-)
only infront of gooners
Sol Sol where ever you may be
You're on the verge of lunacy
we don't care when your hanging from a tree
Judas c**t with HIV!
Ok, so it's unpleasant, but where is it racist or homophobic? You could argue the the HIV comment insinuates homosexuality, but that's fairly tenuous.
Celebration ill-advised given the current media spotlight on such schenagigans - BUT...
The Arsenal fans are being pathetic here. There's a simple rule in these situations - don't dish it out if you can't take it back. If you were playing Sunday League and group of blokes turned up and spent the first 60minutes of the game singling you out and shouting abuse at you - how would you react if you scored? He's not sworn or jesticulated aggresively and he's not left the pitch - just reminded the fans that have mocked him for the last 3 months exactly what they're missing.
You can't have it both ways - either bating players has to stop or players have to be able to give a bit back, within reason, and I don't think Adebayor has overstepped any marks, just shown a bit of passion.
As for the idea that it's encitement to crowd violence - if this kind of thing really is all it takes to lead to serious crowd trouble it's the fans that need to grow up, not the players.
'your dad washes elephants and your mum's a wh*re'
Unfortunately it is though isn't it? I know as a professional footballer he's probably of limited inteligence but he had what, 80 metres, to consider what he was doing and what might happen. But then he still did it. Knowing that it was likely to get the sort of reaction he was after.
As someone above pointed out, there could have been a serious injury as a result of the surge forward and the 'attempt' to get on the pitch, the responsibilty for which would have been shared between him and the numpties.
I think it's yet another example of the 'bubble' that curent pro footballers live in i.e. that nothing they ever do is ever their fault and they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.