Positives:
- Burton hold up play
- midfield coming forward in the 4-5-1 especially Racon who looks too good for this level
- Richardson debut
- Elliot shot stopping
- Dailly's commanding presence until he tired
Negatives:
- missed chances
- defensively the midfield did not look physically strong enough
- Elliot's positioning (at times)
- defence (& I include Semedo) crumbled when put under pressure - nowhere near tight enough in Wycombe's build up play (fitness &/or speed the problem?)
Too early to tell but Llera and Youga look the weak links to me. I like Semedo but he needs to dominate more to break down opposition attacks.
positives:
the win.
semedo looks solid.
racon better than this level.
burton had a very good game.
the noticable slimline elliot looks sharper.
negatives.
didn't kill the game off, sams blast over, after a good move springs to mind.
despite what others have said, have doubts about richardson.
the whole back four seriously lacks pace.
it isn't the 1st time that jonjo has thrown himself into a dangerous tackle. it maybe frustration at his own performance, but imo it is a part of his game that needs to be worked on otherwise he could find himself with a reputation which could see him being on the recieving end of some rough stuff.
Same tactics again as to last season we start of really well and we controlled the game but as soon as we went 2-0 up we started relaxing and it was 2-1 I thought it was going to be 2-2.
The third goal was a real bonus for us and that ensured us a win but what I seriously don't understand is why on earth parky was playing 4-5-1 at the start of the game and as soon as they started putting pressure on us we take Burton and Sam off and put 2 strikers on to make it 4-4-2. Surely we would just defend the lead?? Can somebody give me a real explanation as to why he made that ridiculous decision.
Overall Im pleased with the performance but It worries me that we had to clear 2 chances off the line and rely on Robbie to make good saves.
Made things difficult for ourselves when twice we had them dead and buried..and looked the most likely to go on and score another to go three up....their second goal was a peach...perfect ball that would have split any defence, so a bit of credit there to Wycombe.
We'd have draw or even lost that game last season..so apart from having palpatations for half an hour or so, not too many complaints from moi.
Thought Burton had an excellent game, and would have scored if Sam had laid the ball across to him like he should've done instead of messing around with it. Once Burton went off we seriously missed his hold up play and that's when the pressure really came on us.
Gray may have had 2 shots, but he didn't hold a single ball up and the whole team suffered because of it.
Maybe Wycombe sat off us a bit but I thought the whole midfield were excellent first half but, again, it was built around Burton holding the ball up and bringing them into the game. Some of the link up play between Sam and Racon was superb and we carved them open 3 or 4 times only to get the final ball wrong on a couple of occassions.
Dailly had a good game, Richardson showed some promise but they also got in down that side a couple of times. He reminds me a lot of Luke Young - similar manerisms and style of play. Llera was very slow and looked a bit groggy after the cut but did okay (he worries me though). Youga was poor.
Robbie made one fine save plus a couple of other good ones, but also flapped a bit at a couple of crosses. Jonjo was a little dissappointing and should have been subbed imo, but he still had a decent first half - needs to work on his heading though.
Plenty to improve, but also plenty to work with and most importantly three points earned with the bonus of us doing it playing good football and getting entertained.
I'm sure performances will get more assured as we earn more wins - the whole ground felt edgy second half because we're all damaged by what happened last season, that will subside if we can keep winning.
I'm surprised at the overall reaction to be honest. All everyone wanted before the game was some excitement, players who looked like they wanted to play, some decent football, some goals and three points. I think we got all of them. We hopefully have 60+ more games this season and if you want perfection on day one you aint gonna get it . I thought it was a fine start, really enjoyable with lots to build on.
[cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]I'm surprised at the overall reaction to be honest. All everyone wanted before the game was some excitement, players who looked like they wanted to play, some decent football, some goals and three points. I think we got all of them. We hopefully have 60+ more games this season and if you want perfection on day one you aint gonna get it . I thought it was a fine start, really enjoyable with lots to build on.
Personally I really enjoyed the day...Llera was my man of the match and I think the criticism was harsh....
Thought we were going to get a hatful before going 4-4-2
Kudos to the crowd, great turnout considering relegation....shame about the poor anticipation and massive queues for tickets and shirts in the club shop. The usual calamity in the kiosks....no soft drinks or hot food in the North upper at half time according to Rhino who went and queued for 15 minutes....but an abundance of wine....
Good day and I think we might just have our Charlton back...lets hope so.
I'm sure performances will get more assured as we earn more wins - the whole ground felt edgy second half because we're all damaged by what happened last season, that will subside if we can keep winning.
Think this comment is spot on. Probably explains why I'm feeling less than optimistic at the moment.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]I'm surprised at the overall reaction to be honest. All everyone wanted before the game was some excitement, players who looked like they wanted to play, some decent football, some goals and three points. I think we got all of them. We hopefully have 60+ more games this season and if you want perfection on day one you aint gonna get it . I thought it was a fine start, really enjoyable with lots to build on.[/quote]
Agree,if we get 75% of our games like yeterday then I'll be well happy,even if we don't get promoted.
Right here goes, after seeing the highlights and reading the BBC in game updates.
Parky plays 4-5-1 because of our weaknesses and our player weaknesses. Shelvey struggles in a midfield four, but clearly his intelligence on the ball is crucial what with his two assists yesterday. In a 4-5-1 the striker doesn't have to be prolific, ten plus goals is good enough and Burton can do that, as long as the midfield is brought into it. Gray doesn't hold the ball up he drops deep and needs a quick layoff, but does not occupy defenders in order for our players to arrive so immediately we play deeper which with our non-pacey midfield is not good enough.
Great to see Richardson gambling in a channel and dynamically offering an option, this kind of play improves Sam no end. A bit worried about Parky's point on Richardson struggling with their winger; Sam has improved his defensive support in recent years and if told that's what he has to do he does it, I can't see how Izale who is a useless defender would tactically change things apart from a speedier counter-attacking threat; something less of a bonus when you're main problem is a lack of shape. Pretty much proved by Shelvey's strange defending for the second goal, whereas Sam puts pressure on in that position.
First goal classic Semedo. Ball passed out he's the same distance from the Wycombe player as Richardson but as soon as he sees Richardson running in he just stops. What if the Wycombe player turns inside Richardson? Semedo's there but not bothering to put the pressure on, classic Semedo picks up pieces but doesn't make things happen; he can read the game but then resigns the initiative.
For the second goal Youga let's the ex Plymouth nutter make a slide-rule run and Youga doesn't even attempt to narrow the gap between him and Llera. He even doesn't look like he says anything to Llera. Now I understand this is a difficult and fluid moment, one that Youga's defensive instinct would find hard to read, but you don't just let a player run into a danger area and give him a free hand in the hope he may run into an off-side position. Narrow the gap, and especially as there's no other Wycombe player there. For once at least Youga was positionally OK for the two goals, in at least he was near the action. But again it is no surprise that both goals occur on Youga's watch. Other people make mistakes that lead to goals, Youga is just a goal giving machine.
The massive gap in midfield for the second goal is also worrying. Looks like 4-5-1 is the only way, until we get someone willing to take the intiative. Dickson everyone? Ha. And if you play 4-4-2 Spring is much the better option than Semedo.
Keep Bailey on the left. He provides defensive cover from there, will create a few things and crucially, doesn't get picked up when he makes off the ball runs into the penalty area. He will get more goals if he stays there and credit to Parkinson for working that out last season because it wasn't an obvious move.
Burton is a must because he's the link man and the cleverest player in the side. He also sets the tone with his work ethic and doesn't mind taking a battering for the team. He'll get a few goals too, don't worry about that.
Lots we knew already - midfield is strong, defense is weak, attack is competent but lacks penetration. One thing we don't know yet is how good or bad Wycombe are compared to the rest of this division. My guess is that we will win and lose in roughly equal measure with this squad but if we can add the right players in defense & hold on to what we've got we should be up there.
Oh, and it was a bloody exciting match. Reminded me why I go to football in the first place.
Was far to easy in first half and the players seemed to think game was already won. Thought we had scored at the right time re the third goal, but again seemed unable to move on and finish them off.
Elliot-- great save at the death ------ 6 Richardson----several people said he looks like Johny Humphries, and he had a very good first half, good signing for no pound notes --------7 Daily---- My man of the match ,did everything right, again good sighning for no pound notes--------------8 LLera-----OK in first half, not sure if it was the knock on the head but was all over place in second half-------6 Youga--------did ok, got stage fright when he had a good chance to score-------------6
Sam-----------they had 2 men on him, and even if he had got his crosses in there was no way Burton would have beeten their C backs in the air. He should have scored in 1st half, pity some of his crosses dont get off the ground like his shooting. Smedo------------got some good tackles in but him and Racon seemed to get in each others way a bit------6 Racon----Always busy, always wants the ball. Delayed his passes to long when he could have put people thro-------7 Jon Jo------Just didnt seem to get in the game-------- 6 Bailey --- Took his goal well,unlucky to get booked (great tackle).Still think he is wasted when out that wide.----- 7
Burton--- when ball was played to his feet, heheld it up well and covered some grass---------------7
Subs; Gray----- had to take his shot early as he was about to be tackled or he would have scored ---6 McCloud--- looked very lively nearly scored twice in short period he was on. Big season for him as this is probably his level. ---6
Parky ---- no surprises, cant fault selection subs etc--------6
Crowd was good, 16,000 very good.
Fitness seems a problem, ok first game but then why did they look fiter ?
Ref was pony (both of em), but we have seen worse.
RO seems to be geting its act together and Vince brought me a beer from his huge winnings.
Reading the comments one thing that strikes me is that there are plenty of different nominations for MoM - unsurprising as there was no obvious star performer, but nevertheless a good sign that quite a few of the players put in a shift and didn't rely on one or two players to do the graft. An encouraging sign I hope.
Fair comment BFR, even the ones people are saying didn't play well at least were competing; as they should with their wages and ahem 'reputation'.
I agree with you Simmo. I think Parky did that as other's are more disciplined in the middle and he had to keep Bailey in the side, I don't think it was elegant design. With Bailey on the left Sam and Richardson have to offer threat on the outside, let's hope they can. Bailey protects Youga's channel well, but I really can't see what Youga brings offensively or defensively to the game. If I was Parky a left back would be a priority along with another center half. We still need dynamism all over the pitch but with a strong defence I think the rest will fall into place, without too much tweaking.
Reading the comments one thing that strikes me is that there are plenty of different nominations for MoM - unsurprising as there was no obvious star performer, but nevertheless a good sign that quite a few of the players put in a shift and didn't rely on one or two players to do the graft. An encouraging sign I hope.
Early days but a good start.
No clear man of the match for me, best players were probably Burton, Racon, Semedo and Richardson I think, and Dailly and Elliot did quite well. Sam and Shelvey involved in the goals but made quite a few mistakes. Llera seems similar to Youga, will make mistakes but at his best will do well.
I thought the game changed when he took off Burton and Sam, both caused them problems and it meant that we were flatter across the middle. Before that we were very good and the last fifteen minutes is a throw back to last year, we need to learn how to win once more.
The only real worry for me was Llera the only time he managed to get his head on something first half it was an opponent and got him injured. Dailly was good though and Llera will prove a good buy in the end.
After watching the first half I would like to thank Pardew for a few of his signings, Racon and Semedo are going to be very good this year and the Frenchman is a joy to watch
Promising, I thought. We played some superb stuff in the first half, before a typical wobble in the 2nd half.
Great crowd and atmosphere but I was disappointed how many moaners turned on the players when it got to 3-2. Quite fickle and unnecessarily negative.
Well done to the North Upper for showing Parky some love. Can't hurt. They clearly want to play football - they just don't seem to have the mental strength to do it for 90 mins.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]I thought the game changed when he took off Burton and Sam, both caused them problems and it meant that we were flatter across the middle.
This is where we need to sign a winger, at the moment, just to put on the bench. Wagstaff isn't good enough at the moment (otherwise he'd have been on for Sam I'd have thought). Would also provide back up for Sam, or even an alternative to Bailey or Sam if they need a rest/aren't playing well.
At the moment only Sam can offer what he does. He makes mistakes but we need that type of player in the team.
As for Racon it's ridiculous that Pardew didn't rate him really. Not as if we were doing well apart from the first half of 07/08. Just as good as anyone else we had at the time and is now one of our best players. Although Bailey scores goals and works very hard, Racon for me is the better player. It's part of the reason why Bailey is out on the left. Racon has to be in the team, Semedo gives us that defensive balance in midfield, but Bailey also has to be in the team.
I'm not so sure. Hopefully it happens, but there doesn't seem to be the players that take on the game and provide a bit of leadership/dynamism. With a couple more players with presence maybe. I think this team will always capitulate when put under pressure, and there are plenty of teams that can do that in this div.
Just look at the Gills, in my oppinion an average team. But they have Jackson, Oli, Barcham and Miller. Not all great players but one's that can exploit space and lack of tenacity. We still seem to give up territory and plenty of space in between departments.
met parky outside and spoke a few words to him wished him all the best for the season and thanked him for the way he has handled himself and the footbal side of things during the closed season, the guy is so much more aproacable than pardont and curbs.
i like the fella have not changed my mind about that, i really do wish him the best of british
i also couldnt believe how cool calm and collected he seemed the pressure must be on him but you wouldnt have known
Interesting to compare Llera's debut yesterday with the Phil Chappel's in August 1993 both got head injuries and came back on with bandaged heads and went on to score the winning goal. Mind you Chappel only had 6 stitches (Llera had 11) but went on to make 44 league appearances (4 as sub) that season and score 5 goals. I'd take the same for Llera this season.
[cite]Posted By: cholland[/cite]Interesting to compare Llera's debut yesterday with the Phil Chappel's in August 1993 both got head injuries and came back on with bandaged heads and went on to score the winning goal. Mind you Chappel only had 6 stitches (Llera had 11) but went on to make 44 league appearances (4 as sub) that season and score 5 goals. I'd take the same for Llera this season.
We also started last season with a debutant at Centre Back, who scored Charlton's first goal of the season with a header from a corner in front of the Jimmy Seed Stand. Let's hope the similarity ends there.
Comments
- Burton hold up play
- midfield coming forward in the 4-5-1 especially Racon who looks too good for this level
- Richardson debut
- Elliot shot stopping
- Dailly's commanding presence until he tired
Negatives:
- missed chances
- defensively the midfield did not look physically strong enough
- Elliot's positioning (at times)
- defence (& I include Semedo) crumbled when put under pressure - nowhere near tight enough in Wycombe's build up play (fitness &/or speed the problem?)
Too early to tell but Llera and Youga look the weak links to me. I like Semedo but he needs to dominate more to break down opposition attacks.
the win.
semedo looks solid.
racon better than this level.
burton had a very good game.
the noticable slimline elliot looks sharper.
negatives.
didn't kill the game off, sams blast over, after a good move springs to mind.
despite what others have said, have doubts about richardson.
the whole back four seriously lacks pace.
it isn't the 1st time that jonjo has thrown himself into a dangerous tackle. it maybe frustration at his own performance, but imo it is a part of his game that needs to be worked on otherwise he could find himself with a reputation which could see him being on the recieving end of some rough stuff.
Same tactics again as to last season we start of really well and we controlled the game but as soon as we went 2-0 up we started relaxing and it was 2-1 I thought it was going to be 2-2.
The third goal was a real bonus for us and that ensured us a win but what I seriously don't understand is why on earth parky was playing 4-5-1 at the start of the game and as soon as they started putting pressure on us we take Burton and Sam off and put 2 strikers on to make it 4-4-2. Surely we would just defend the lead?? Can somebody give me a real explanation as to why he made that ridiculous decision.
Overall Im pleased with the performance but It worries me that we had to clear 2 chances off the line and rely on Robbie to make good saves.
We'd have draw or even lost that game last season..so apart from having palpatations for half an hour or so, not too many complaints from moi.
That unselfish attitude, if replicated elsewhere in the team, bodes well.
Gray may have had 2 shots, but he didn't hold a single ball up and the whole team suffered because of it.
Maybe Wycombe sat off us a bit but I thought the whole midfield were excellent first half but, again, it was built around Burton holding the ball up and bringing them into the game. Some of the link up play between Sam and Racon was superb and we carved them open 3 or 4 times only to get the final ball wrong on a couple of occassions.
Dailly had a good game, Richardson showed some promise but they also got in down that side a couple of times. He reminds me a lot of Luke Young - similar manerisms and style of play. Llera was very slow and looked a bit groggy after the cut but did okay (he worries me though). Youga was poor.
Robbie made one fine save plus a couple of other good ones, but also flapped a bit at a couple of crosses. Jonjo was a little dissappointing and should have been subbed imo, but he still had a decent first half - needs to work on his heading though.
Plenty to improve, but also plenty to work with and most importantly three points earned with the bonus of us doing it playing good football and getting entertained.
I'm sure performances will get more assured as we earn more wins - the whole ground felt edgy second half because we're all damaged by what happened last season, that will subside if we can keep winning.
well said.
Thought we were going to get a hatful before going 4-4-2
Kudos to the crowd, great turnout considering relegation....shame about the poor anticipation and massive queues for tickets and shirts in the club shop. The usual calamity in the kiosks....no soft drinks or hot food in the North upper at half time according to Rhino who went and queued for 15 minutes....but an abundance of wine....
Good day and I think we might just have our Charlton back...lets hope so.
Think this comment is spot on. Probably explains why I'm feeling less than optimistic at the moment.
Agree,if we get 75% of our games like yeterday then I'll be well happy,even if we don't get promoted.
Parky plays 4-5-1 because of our weaknesses and our player weaknesses. Shelvey struggles in a midfield four, but clearly his intelligence on the ball is crucial what with his two assists yesterday. In a 4-5-1 the striker doesn't have to be prolific, ten plus goals is good enough and Burton can do that, as long as the midfield is brought into it. Gray doesn't hold the ball up he drops deep and needs a quick layoff, but does not occupy defenders in order for our players to arrive so immediately we play deeper which with our non-pacey midfield is not good enough.
Great to see Richardson gambling in a channel and dynamically offering an option, this kind of play improves Sam no end. A bit worried about Parky's point on Richardson struggling with their winger; Sam has improved his defensive support in recent years and if told that's what he has to do he does it, I can't see how Izale who is a useless defender would tactically change things apart from a speedier counter-attacking threat; something less of a bonus when you're main problem is a lack of shape. Pretty much proved by Shelvey's strange defending for the second goal, whereas Sam puts pressure on in that position.
First goal classic Semedo. Ball passed out he's the same distance from the Wycombe player as Richardson but as soon as he sees Richardson running in he just stops. What if the Wycombe player turns inside Richardson? Semedo's there but not bothering to put the pressure on, classic Semedo picks up pieces but doesn't make things happen; he can read the game but then resigns the initiative.
For the second goal Youga let's the ex Plymouth nutter make a slide-rule run and Youga doesn't even attempt to narrow the gap between him and Llera. He even doesn't look like he says anything to Llera. Now I understand this is a difficult and fluid moment, one that Youga's defensive instinct would find hard to read, but you don't just let a player run into a danger area and give him a free hand in the hope he may run into an off-side position. Narrow the gap, and especially as there's no other Wycombe player there. For once at least Youga was positionally OK for the two goals, in at least he was near the action. But again it is no surprise that both goals occur on Youga's watch. Other people make mistakes that lead to goals, Youga is just a goal giving machine.
The massive gap in midfield for the second goal is also worrying. Looks like 4-5-1 is the only way, until we get someone willing to take the intiative. Dickson everyone? Ha. And if you play 4-4-2 Spring is much the better option than Semedo.
Burton is a must because he's the link man and the cleverest player in the side. He also sets the tone with his work ethic and doesn't mind taking a battering for the team. He'll get a few goals too, don't worry about that.
Oh, and it was a bloody exciting match. Reminded me why I go to football in the first place.
Elliot-- great save at the death ------ 6
Richardson----several people said he looks like Johny Humphries, and he had a very good first half, good signing for no pound notes --------7
Daily---- My man of the match ,did everything right, again good sighning for no pound notes--------------8
LLera-----OK in first half, not sure if it was the knock on the head but was all over place in second half-------6
Youga--------did ok, got stage fright when he had a good chance to score-------------6
Sam-----------they had 2 men on him, and even if he had got his crosses in there was no way Burton would have beeten their C backs in the air. He should have scored in 1st half, pity some of his crosses dont get off the ground like his shooting.
Smedo------------got some good tackles in but him and Racon seemed to get in each others way a bit------6
Racon----Always busy, always wants the ball. Delayed his passes to long when he could have put people thro-------7
Jon Jo------Just didnt seem to get in the game-------- 6
Bailey --- Took his goal well,unlucky to get booked (great tackle).Still think he is wasted when out that wide.----- 7
Burton--- when ball was played to his feet, heheld it up well and covered some grass---------------7
Subs;
Gray----- had to take his shot early as he was about to be tackled or he would have scored ---6
McCloud--- looked very lively nearly scored twice in short period he was on. Big season for him as this is probably his level. ---6
Parky ---- no surprises, cant fault selection subs etc--------6
Crowd was good, 16,000 very good.
Fitness seems a problem, ok first game but then why did they look fiter ?
Ref was pony (both of em), but we have seen worse.
RO seems to be geting its act together and Vince brought me a beer from his huge winnings.
Early days but a good start.
I agree with you Simmo. I think Parky did that as other's are more disciplined in the middle and he had to keep Bailey in the side, I don't think it was elegant design. With Bailey on the left Sam and Richardson have to offer threat on the outside, let's hope they can. Bailey protects Youga's channel well, but I really can't see what Youga brings offensively or defensively to the game. If I was Parky a left back would be a priority along with another center half. We still need dynamism all over the pitch but with a strong defence I think the rest will fall into place, without too much tweaking.
is very one footed and even as a fattie i reckon i could beat him in a race
got some good blocks in and won some headers but overall iwas very worried about him everytime he went near the ball
The only real worry for me was Llera the only time he managed to get his head on something first half it was an opponent and got him injured. Dailly was good though and Llera will prove a good buy in the end.
After watching the first half I would like to thank Pardew for a few of his signings, Racon and Semedo are going to be very good this year and the Frenchman is a joy to watch
Not sure who selected Semedo.
Great crowd and atmosphere but I was disappointed how many moaners turned on the players when it got to 3-2. Quite fickle and unnecessarily negative.
Well done to the North Upper for showing Parky some love. Can't hurt. They clearly want to play football - they just don't seem to have the mental strength to do it for 90 mins.
This is where we need to sign a winger, at the moment, just to put on the bench. Wagstaff isn't good enough at the moment (otherwise he'd have been on for Sam I'd have thought). Would also provide back up for Sam, or even an alternative to Bailey or Sam if they need a rest/aren't playing well.
At the moment only Sam can offer what he does. He makes mistakes but we need that type of player in the team.
As for Racon it's ridiculous that Pardew didn't rate him really. Not as if we were doing well apart from the first half of 07/08. Just as good as anyone else we had at the time and is now one of our best players. Although Bailey scores goals and works very hard, Racon for me is the better player. It's part of the reason why Bailey is out on the left. Racon has to be in the team, Semedo gives us that defensive balance in midfield, but Bailey also has to be in the team.
Mental strength or confidence and belief? A few more wins and good performances and confidence will grow and we'll play well for longer.
Just look at the Gills, in my oppinion an average team. But they have Jackson, Oli, Barcham and Miller. Not all great players but one's that can exploit space and lack of tenacity. We still seem to give up territory and plenty of space in between departments.
i like the fella have not changed my mind about that, i really do wish him the best of british
i also couldnt believe how cool calm and collected he seemed the pressure must be on him but you wouldnt have known