He did offer out the bloke in the lower north.
The chap who sits behind me rang him.
Hughes is a sorry excuse of a human being. I don't blame those who gave him grief. The family whose life he ruined have to live with their grief everday & see the man who caused that grief rubbing their nose in it everytime he celebrates a goal!
I have never wanted to call someone the 'c' word before, but when he clapped & blew us kisses at the end????
The man has no class. Five years for taking a life? Disgraceful!!!!
And those at County who decided to sign him are just as bad.
If that were a man on the street he would never work again, why should Hughes?
Total scum.
I have to say Im with Visiting Pie in most of what he has said. Murder is undoubtedly someone who kills with intent. Im sure that when he had a few too many he didnt leave the establisment thinking, "right, now lets see if I can kill an innocent bystander"
I bet most blokes who drink (not all but most) have knowingly driven whilst being under the influence and over the limit.....well get real, you got lucky when you did it. How many of you have panicked after doing something wrong? plenty of you Im sure.....it can happen to the best of people along with the worst. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon, but harder to be rational.
Im not totally defending the bloke, what he did at the end of the game...well he deserved the stick. How he feels about who he accidentally killed? Only he truly knows. I would find it very hard to live with as would most of you. Ive had a chance to think about what I made of yesterday, how I felt then is slightly different to how I feel now. Yes I've got mixed emotions, because I know deep down it could so easily happen to any of us. I equally feel for the family who suffered this tragedy too, so as I said, mixed emotions. If he stuck to just playing well (and he is probably one of the best strikers outside of the CCC) then I would have to say I admire the man for his courage to go out and take this stick week in and week out, but he needs to take a look at himself and for all the showboating at the end of the match, for that alone he should be totally ashamed.
[cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]I have to say Im with Visiting Pie in most of what he has said. Murder is undoubtedly someone who kills with intent. Im sure that when he had a few too many he didnt leave the establisment thinking, "right, now lets see if I can kill an innocent bystander"
I bet most blokes who drink (not all but most) have knowingly driven whilst being under the influence and over the limit.....well get real, you got lucky when you did it. How many of you have panicked after doing something wrong? plenty of you Im sure.....it can happen to the best of people along with the worst. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon, but harder to be rational.
Im not totally defending the bloke, what he did at the end of the game...well he deserved the stick. How he feels about who he accidentally killed? Only he truly knows. I would find it very hard to live with as would most of you. Ive had a chance to think about what I made of yesterday, how I felt then is slightly different to how I feel now. Yes I've got mixed emotions, because I know deep down it could so easily happen to any of us. I equally feel for the family who suffered this tragedy too, so as I said, mixed emotions. If he stuck to just playing well (and he is probably one of the best strikers outside of the CCC) then I would have to say I admire the man for his courage to go out and take this stick week in and week out, but he needs to take a look at himself and for all the showboating at the end of the match, for that alone he should be totally ashamed.
Up until yesterday i was always of the opinion that he'd never set out to actually kill someone that night, he'd served his time, deserved a second chance and was now getting on with his career and scoring a lot of goals. But having seen his actions yesterday my opinion has totally changed, he came across as a complete and utter pr*ck. If i'd killed someone i'd probably be keeping my head down. But if i'd had a complete mare, missed at least 2 sitters and a penalty and got booked for deliberate hand ball then i'd be off that pitch as soon i the whistle went. But no, in the first half he appeared to be rowing with a fan in the north lower and offering him out then blowing kisses and waving after the game. I wonder if he'd act like that away from home in a local derby or down at Millwall where someone without a brain would more than likely run on and lamp him one. Lee hughes - absolute bell end.
I agree it's way too early to talk about playoffs...but my comment was 'good luck, I hope we meet in the playoffs'. I didn't mean this to cause any offence and I'm a bit bemused at why it upset someone. I hope they didn't think I meant, 'because if we do we'll beat you!' I just meant I hope we both do well this season.
Hughesy gives as good as he gets at all games, including Milwall, when he was at Oldham. I don't think I would behave like him in his shoes, but I think he just sees it as taking it on the chin, as I said before. He was probably a bit more vocal than normal yesterday because he was annoyed at himself.
I'm honestly not sure what people expect. He only does this at games where the oppo fans are giving him grief. He can hardly break down and cry...or offer a prayer when he scores, can he? He's not a bad bloke...just a bloke who did a bad thing, and the rest of the dressing room would run through hoops for him, as he would for our other players. They know him....we don't, so talk of how it shows he doesn't have any remorse is rather short-sighted IMHO.
I couldn't make out what the north stand were shouting at him , mainly because i had my finger in my ear for a lot of the game , ( tinnutus) not wax collecting! so i don't know what was being sung , the way the guy jumped on the floor when no one was near him ( hughes), the way he goaded the fans at the end , he's pure scum & a cheating git in my book, if he'd had learnt anything from being in prison he should have just had his head down and run off the pitch , wouldn't be surprised if he gets sent off shortly , as he can't control his emotions by the look of him.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]Chants of murderer are wrong. He is not a murderer.
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"Causer of death by reckless driving under the influence of drink and drugs" is quite hard to fit into a chant though.
"You caused death by drivin on drugs
Now you go and eat some slugs"
Opposition fans advise Hughes on pursuing his footballing career in France or a post-football post in 'I'm a Celebrity'
The argument that goes along the lines of "If he was a plumber, he'd still be able to work..." is weak, in my opinion. I think I'd hire the plumber who didn't kill someone by driving under the influence. The difference is because he's so high profile, everyone knows of his crime, but if we all knew the crimes of our tradesmen, more than likely we wouldn't hire them (VisitingPie, would you hire a criminal plumber over a non-criminal?).
It happens at every match he plays (as VisitingPie says), so why does he act like he does? The best answer so far is that it's his way of 'taking it on the chin'. Need I remind you of the people who can't 'take it on the chin'?
For me, he sums up the "Man City of League 2" attitude that many at Notts County adopted at the start of last season (and some still haven't dropped, despite the fact that their current owner very nearly put them into administration): All talk and no trousers.
To be honest it's a pointless argument. It is what it is.
Re the plumber...I wouldn't know if the plumber I hired had a criminal record or not, since that info is protected once they've served their time.
It basically boils down to what I said before. He's our player. It's football and you back your own. (I should have that on a macro, I've said it so many times on so many boards!) He's an opposition player to you lot and others, and you have a reason to hate him and give him stick all game. I can just imagine what the Wolves game will be like!
The 'Man City of league 2' thing is unfair. The VAST majority of us never acted like that, and many were suspicious of Munto from the start. We very nearly didn't even have a club to support, let alone losing 10 points. (Strangely we won the league by a clear 10 points...so I wonder what the FL would have done if that had happened).
Believe me, most of us are just thankful we are where we are, with a decent owner who posts on our board and keeps us informed of what's going on behind the scenes.
[cite]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]Re the plumber...I wouldn't know if the plumber I hired had a criminal record or not, since that info is protected once they've served their time.
But if you knew, would you hire the criminal or the non-criminal?
Being absolutely truthful, I hope that if the crime was spent then I would take the one who offered the most competitive price. Taking out the fact we have Hughesy on our team and I will back him, I like to think that I believe everyone deserves a second chance.
If that means you saying I'm just being PC then so be it.
[cite]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]He's not a bad bloke...just a bloke who did a bad thing
And Raoul Moat wouldn't hurt a fly either.Unfortunately mate,most bad blokes are ridiculed for thier 'moment' of madness.
Hughes is a piece of s**t .And in the eyes of most ,always will be.
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]Seems that Hughes makes a habit of being a 'dick head' and shows little signs if any of contrition for what he has done......
Have I missed something there Ken? All that looks to be to me is an article written when he was on the verge of being released, together with a load of comments exactly the same as the ones on here?
I thought is was a bit rich screaming murderer at the bloke and then chorus after chorus of 'let him die' every time one of their players needed the physio.
[cite]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]Chants of murderer are wrong. He is not a murderer.
Do I think you should stop doing it? Not at all.
He gets it every game...it's football, he knows he will get it, we know he will get it. He usually scores.
Ps...why are you upset at me saying Good luck, hope we meet you in the playoffs? I'm baffled.
Actually under law he could be found guilty of murder or at the very least guilty act manslaughter that also carries a potential life sentence.
To found guilty of a crime you have to have mens reus (guilty mind) and actus reus (guilty act), he knew driving when pissed is wrong so he had the guilty mind and he did cause a fatal accident, so ticks both boxes.
So I cannot see why people like him and that Plymouth keeper get such short sentences, in the future they should be serving a full life term.
Anyway visiting, none of us on here know what he has done in the way of making amends and if he talked about it I am sure it would be seen as a stunt etc. So I will only say that he scum for doing what he did and I hope he does suffer everyday as that is his true punishment. I have picked up the pieces at accidents caused by people like him and unless you have witnessed such things you will never truly understand
Pie-
Dont come on here and give us all this rubbish about Hughes.
"he's not a bad bloke"
Let me tell you mate, he ******** well is.
He is a low life and a coward.
The bloke should still be behind bars and the fact he obviously couldnt take the stick from our lot on saturday and reacted in the way he did, shows how much of a complete mug he is.
And you lot are just as bad for giving him a chance.
Two bob club.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs
Anyway visiting, none of us on here know what he has done in the way of making amends and if he talked about it I am sure it would be seen as a stunt etc.
Apology?
As you say some would see this as a stunt but could also be seen as him showing some remorse for his actions. I think the only thing we can all agree on is none of us will ever truly know if he is being sincere
[cite]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]Chants of murderer are wrong. He is not a murderer.
Do I think you should stop doing it? Not at all.
He gets it every game...it's football, he knows he will get it, we know he will get it. He usually scores.
Ps...why are you upset at me saying Good luck, hope we meet you in the playoffs? I'm baffled.
Actually under law he could be found guilty of murder or at the very least guilty act manslaughter that also carries a potential life sentence.
To found guilty of a crime you have to have mens reus (guilty mind) and actus reus (guilty act), he knew driving when pissed is wrong so he had the guilty mind and he did cause a fatal accident, so ticks both boxes.
So I cannot see why people like him and that Plymouth keeper get such short sentences, in the future they should be serving a full life term.
Anyway visiting, none of us on here know what he has done in the way of making amends and if he talked about it I am sure it would be seen as a stunt etc. So I will only say that he scum for doing what he did and I hope he does suffer everyday as that is his true punishment. I have picked up the pieces at accidents caused by people like him and unless you have witnessed such things you will never truly understand
Completely incorrect. To be found guilty of murder you must be proven to have had the intent to kill someone, and being knowingly drunk in charge of a vehicle does not prove that at all, it just proves that you have acted recklessly, hence the manslaughter charge.
If Hughes had repeatedly driven his car over his victim, reversing back over him and so on, then you could prove that he had intended to kill him but hitting the victim whilst DUI is not murder by itself.
Sorry to mislead you Leroy..... The comments are old, Just the ones at the end show he is upsetting fans elsewhere, and the comments from the Notts Fan is revealing.
I would like to think that if A Charlton player player did something like this, or we signed a player with this background, we would have a strong word in his ear and tell him to ignore the chants and get on with his football. Hopefully we never have to to be that desperate!, his mere presence seems to divide fans, for very good reason.
[cite]Posted By: VisitingPie[/cite]Chants of murderer are wrong. He is not a murderer.
Do I think you should stop doing it? Not at all.
He gets it every game...it's football, he knows he will get it, we know he will get it. He usually scores.
Ps...why are you upset at me saying Good luck, hope we meet you in the playoffs? I'm baffled.
Actually under law he could be found guilty of murder or at the very least guilty act manslaughter that also carries a potential life sentence.
To found guilty of a crime you have to have mens reus (guilty mind) and actus reus (guilty act), he knew driving when pissed is wrong so he had the guilty mind and he did cause a fatal accident, so ticks both boxes.
So I cannot see why people like him and that Plymouth keeper get such short sentences, in the future they should be serving a full life term.
Anyway visiting, none of us on here know what he has done in the way of making amends and if he talked about it I am sure it would be seen as a stunt etc. So I will only say that he scum for doing what he did and I hope he does suffer everyday as that is his true punishment. I have picked up the pieces at accidents caused by people like him and unless you have witnessed such things you will never truly understand
Completely incorrect. To be found guilty of murder you must be proven to have had the intent to kill someone, and being knowingly drunk in charge of a vehicle does not prove that at all, it just proves that you have acted recklessly, hence the manslaughter charge.
If Hughes had repeatedly driven his car over his victim, reversing back over him and so on, then you could prove that he had intended to kill him but hitting the victim whilst DUI is not murder by itself.
but it can be guilty act mansslaughter or negligent manslaughter though? Long time since I did law. Anyway I was just trying to point out there is room for a more punitive sentence in cases like this
does that 14 years include running away from the scene? Just difficult to imagine how his case would warrant half the maximum and serving less than half of that. I suppose it comes down to your view of what prison is for. If you think it is to prevent the individual commiting the crime again, I would be amazed if Hughes repeated his actions, so you might say don't bother locking him up at all. If you think prison also acts as a deterrent, you should be looking to give sentances that put people off commiting crimes. When you see a high profile figure plying his trade with no outward sign of remorse (taking inevitable abuse on the chin would be a sign IMO), if you were of a certain disposition you might think, I'll have a drink or two and drive, I'll probably not kill somebody which would be the worst outcome and if I was unlucky enough to do so then the punishemnet isn't that bad.
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The chap who sits behind me rang him.
Hughes is a sorry excuse of a human being. I don't blame those who gave him grief. The family whose life he ruined have to live with their grief everday & see the man who caused that grief rubbing their nose in it everytime he celebrates a goal!
I have never wanted to call someone the 'c' word before, but when he clapped & blew us kisses at the end????
The man has no class. Five years for taking a life? Disgraceful!!!!
And those at County who decided to sign him are just as bad.
If that were a man on the street he would never work again, why should Hughes?
Total scum.
However, aside from the missed chances, easily the best striker I have seen at this level.
Gave Benson and Abbott a lesson in movement off the ball and getting in the right position (something we are told Benson is an expert at)
His antics at the end however...
I bet most blokes who drink (not all but most) have knowingly driven whilst being under the influence and over the limit.....well get real, you got lucky when you did it. How many of you have panicked after doing something wrong? plenty of you Im sure.....it can happen to the best of people along with the worst. Its easy to jump on the bandwagon, but harder to be rational.
Im not totally defending the bloke, what he did at the end of the game...well he deserved the stick. How he feels about who he accidentally killed? Only he truly knows. I would find it very hard to live with as would most of you. Ive had a chance to think about what I made of yesterday, how I felt then is slightly different to how I feel now. Yes I've got mixed emotions, because I know deep down it could so easily happen to any of us. I equally feel for the family who suffered this tragedy too, so as I said, mixed emotions. If he stuck to just playing well (and he is probably one of the best strikers outside of the CCC) then I would have to say I admire the man for his courage to go out and take this stick week in and week out, but he needs to take a look at himself and for all the showboating at the end of the match, for that alone he should be totally ashamed.
Pretty much agree with this
"Causer of death by reckless driving under the influence of drink and drugs" is quite hard to fit into a chant though.
If i'd killed someone i'd probably be keeping my head down. But if i'd had a complete mare, missed at least 2 sitters and a penalty and got booked for deliberate hand ball then i'd be off that pitch as soon i the whistle went. But no, in the first half he appeared to be rowing with a fan in the north lower and offering him out then blowing kisses and waving after the game. I wonder if he'd act like that away from home in a local derby or down at Millwall where someone without a brain would more than likely run on and lamp him one.
Lee hughes - absolute bell end.
Hughesy gives as good as he gets at all games, including Milwall, when he was at Oldham. I don't think I would behave like him in his shoes, but I think he just sees it as taking it on the chin, as I said before. He was probably a bit more vocal than normal yesterday because he was annoyed at himself.
I'm honestly not sure what people expect. He only does this at games where the oppo fans are giving him grief. He can hardly break down and cry...or offer a prayer when he scores, can he? He's not a bad bloke...just a bloke who did a bad thing, and the rest of the dressing room would run through hoops for him, as he would for our other players. They know him....we don't, so talk of how it shows he doesn't have any remorse is rather short-sighted IMHO.
Oh behave.
If he killed one of family members I think you may well have a different opinion.
My opinion of him is, he is so bad he's rotten to the core.
"You caused death by drivin on drugs
Now you go and eat some slugs"
Opposition fans advise Hughes on pursuing his footballing career in France or a post-football post in 'I'm a Celebrity'
The argument that goes along the lines of "If he was a plumber, he'd still be able to work..." is weak, in my opinion. I think I'd hire the plumber who didn't kill someone by driving under the influence. The difference is because he's so high profile, everyone knows of his crime, but if we all knew the crimes of our tradesmen, more than likely we wouldn't hire them (VisitingPie, would you hire a criminal plumber over a non-criminal?).
It happens at every match he plays (as VisitingPie says), so why does he act like he does? The best answer so far is that it's his way of 'taking it on the chin'. Need I remind you of the people who can't 'take it on the chin'?
For me, he sums up the "Man City of League 2" attitude that many at Notts County adopted at the start of last season (and some still haven't dropped, despite the fact that their current owner very nearly put them into administration): All talk and no trousers.
Re the plumber...I wouldn't know if the plumber I hired had a criminal record or not, since that info is protected once they've served their time.
It basically boils down to what I said before. He's our player. It's football and you back your own. (I should have that on a macro, I've said it so many times on so many boards!) He's an opposition player to you lot and others, and you have a reason to hate him and give him stick all game. I can just imagine what the Wolves game will be like!
The 'Man City of league 2' thing is unfair. The VAST majority of us never acted like that, and many were suspicious of Munto from the start. We very nearly didn't even have a club to support, let alone losing 10 points. (Strangely we won the league by a clear 10 points...so I wonder what the FL would have done if that had happened).
Believe me, most of us are just thankful we are where we are, with a decent owner who posts on our board and keeps us informed of what's going on behind the scenes.
But if you knew, would you hire the criminal or the non-criminal?
If that means you saying I'm just being PC then so be it.
And Raoul Moat wouldn't hurt a fly either.Unfortunately mate,most bad blokes are ridiculed for thier 'moment' of madness.
Hughes is a piece of s**t .And in the eyes of most ,always will be.
see :http://soccerlens.com/lee-hughes/1889/
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Obviously a 'git' does not change his ways......
Hughes is still a self centred, coward though.
Actually under law he could be found guilty of murder or at the very least guilty act manslaughter that also carries a potential life sentence.
To found guilty of a crime you have to have mens reus (guilty mind) and actus reus (guilty act), he knew driving when pissed is wrong so he had the guilty mind and he did cause a fatal accident, so ticks both boxes.
So I cannot see why people like him and that Plymouth keeper get such short sentences, in the future they should be serving a full life term.
Anyway visiting, none of us on here know what he has done in the way of making amends and if he talked about it I am sure it would be seen as a stunt etc. So I will only say that he scum for doing what he did and I hope he does suffer everyday as that is his true punishment. I have picked up the pieces at accidents caused by people like him and unless you have witnessed such things you will never truly understand
Dont come on here and give us all this rubbish about Hughes.
"he's not a bad bloke"
Let me tell you mate, he ******** well is.
He is a low life and a coward.
The bloke should still be behind bars and the fact he obviously couldnt take the stick from our lot on saturday and reacted in the way he did, shows how much of a complete mug he is.
And you lot are just as bad for giving him a chance.
Two bob club.
As you say some would see this as a stunt but could also be seen as him showing some remorse for his actions. I think the only thing we can all agree on is none of us will ever truly know if he is being sincere
Completely incorrect. To be found guilty of murder you must be proven to have had the intent to kill someone, and being knowingly drunk in charge of a vehicle does not prove that at all, it just proves that you have acted recklessly, hence the manslaughter charge.
If Hughes had repeatedly driven his car over his victim, reversing back over him and so on, then you could prove that he had intended to kill him but hitting the victim whilst DUI is not murder by itself.
The comments are old, Just the ones at the end show he is upsetting fans elsewhere, and the comments from the Notts Fan is revealing.
I would like to think that if A Charlton player player did something like this, or we signed a player with this background, we would have a strong word in his ear and tell him to ignore the chants and get on with his football. Hopefully we never have to to be that desperate!, his mere presence seems to divide fans, for very good reason.
but it can be guilty act mansslaughter or negligent manslaughter though? Long time since I did law. Anyway I was just trying to point out there is room for a more punitive sentence in cases like this