Interesting to see what WSS amongst others had to say on hughes being given a 2nd chance. Do you think the relatives of the innocent party killed would forgive and move on? The victim will get no second chance, I've never seen any evidence of hughes standing in front of a camera and admitting he done wrong, I'd put money on him standing there if he scored a hatrick, he's a lowlife. Try and put yourself in the family's position would you, could you bring yourself to forgive him?
What was the question again AFKA?........................................................................
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I often approach these dilemmas with a "what if" attitude. For example "What if my dad had done the same" or "What if my best mate done the same".
Yes - it doesnt make what they did any different but it does alter your perspective slightly.
Is Lee Hughes married with kids? Surely he deserves a second chance based on providing for his family?
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I often approach these dilemmas with a "what if" attitude. For example "What if my dad had done the same" or "What if my best mate done the same".
Yes - it doesnt make what they did any different but it does alter your perspective slightly.
Is Lee Hughes married with kids? Surely he deserves a second chance based on providing for his family?
do you ever use a "what if" attitude and applied it to "what if he did that to my dad" or "what if he did that to my best mate".
that also may alter your perspective.
if your mate was married with kids,he wouldn't have a second chance to provide for his family.
No. Everyone makes mistakes, even selfish lethal ones. It's how you respond and react afterwards. I wouldn't hound him out of the club but I wouldn't want him.
As for showing contrition? What exactly is a couple of paper interviews and a claim that he apologised to the family and had a conversation that was private and will remain so, when in fact the meeting was instigated by the daughter of the dead man because he had never said sorry to the family. Same with Luke Mccormick, all they can do is talk about how sorry they feel not sorry to the families. Though we all make mistakes, fortunately not with the same consequences, when made pittying yourself and admitting guilt is not enough. Frankly to not even have the decency to apologise directly to the family in court AND in writing is below human.
Conduct yourself with a modicum of empathy after an extreme act of selfishness is the least level of humanity acceptable. For that at the time of their trials and after their sentence Naseem, Hughes and Mccormick are scum. At least Mccormick has written a letter now whilst Hughes converted to Islam, all for his own soul; I'd doubt he'd either offer blood money or his life as according to most interpretations ofInslamic law.
No thanks. Couldn't ever bring myself to cheer someone like that.
But the mark of a man is, having made a mistake, to take the punishment. Not to run off and hide. Even after sobering up and realising what he had done, he still wouldn't give himself up.
Here's a question to ask yourselves. What do you think the dead child's parents think when they see him running around triumphantly after scoring a goal?
What about their pain? The least he can do is go away and do something else so they don't have to see him and be reminded of their loss.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Who knows how you'd react to doing something like that unless you were actually in the situation?
And i'm not trying to defend Hughes here, I abhor what he did (especially the leaving the scene of the crime) but you need to sometimes look from perspectives other than your own.
what wss said i am not defending lee hughes he made a mistake he has paid his dues (if it was long enough imo it was not) he deserves a second chance
Sounds like hippy, leftie, turn the other cheek stuff to me ;-)
Seconded MCS. I remember how sickened I felt when the 'incident' happened and when his actions were described at the trial. He 'disappeared' to let his system clear the drink and drugs that he'd taken. Imagine your loved ones being wiped out by someone like that! I don't often get angry these days but his is one name that gets me going as soon as I see it!
I hate the sight of him, bollocks to all this 'he deserves a second chance to ply his trade' crap. This is not a simple case of a mistake made innocently.
Learn a new one. Coach kids (although I would not want children of mine to have him as a role model) or put to good use one of the skills courses he had offered to him inside but I am sorry Gary Glitter made 'mistakes'. And I doubt very much any of you would want to pay to watch him.
it's not about whether what he did was a terrible thing, of course it was. It's about whether after serving the punishment he was given he should be allowed to try and re-build his life. That's the system that we have - you commit a crime, then you receive a sentence both to punish you and reform you, so you can go back into society.
I'm not saying i feel sorry for him, because we know who the real victims are, but imagine carrying round the guilt of what he did for the rest of your life.
In the NFL a player has just been sentenced for DUI manslaughter - donte stallworth
after a short prison sentence he will be on house arrest for 2 years, and could play american football during that time. But the NFL can suspend people for stuff they do outside the sport, and the player has been suspended indefinitely because they think him playing would "undermine the integrity of and public confidence in our league".
But he'll have the chance to prove his remorse and that he's changed and could be allowed back in. suspension
sorry if no-one cares about nfl, but its an interesting comparison i think.
No, I think anyone who has ever committed a crime should never be allowed to work again, or if they are to be allowed to work, then an angry mob should be the ones do decide what they are allowed to do, and how much they should get paid for it...
[cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]No, I think anyone who has ever committed a crime should never be allowed to work again, or if they are to be allowed to work, then an angry mob should be the ones do decide what they are allowed to do, and how much they should get paid for it...
what did he do wrong at oldham? thought he was released for footballing reasons and nothing off the field? if so, then he's taken his second chance to show he won't make the same mistakes again and has changed.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I wonder about some of you. If Lee Hughes had done this to YOUR family I really doubt you'd feel the same. SCUMBAG. End of.
I would actually, although I accept I am in a minority.
[cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]what did he do wrong at oldham? thought he was released for footballing reasons and nothing off the field? if so, then he's taken his second chance to show he won't make the same mistakes again and has changed.
Had a fight with the manager at the xmas party didn't he? Or some charity event?
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I wonder about some of you. If Lee Hughes had done this to YOUR family I really doubt you'd feel the same. SCUMBAG. End of.
Hmm depends which one if it were the mother in law to be then not such a problem!
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]I dont think i would be worried about if he could play football again more like how and why he got such a short sentence.
[cite]Posted By: Eddie Firmani[/cite]Seems like he's ruffled a few feathers this afternoon. Anything in particular?
Missed at least two good chances plus the penality
Did not stop moaning at the ref
Appealed for everything including a penality in the first half when he blatantly dived
Acted like he had been shot when it looked like Reid barely touched him by our dugout
One blatant handball, maybe another one.
Just a pest.
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What was the question again AFKA?........................................................................
do you ever use a "what if" attitude and applied it to "what if he did that to my dad" or "what if he did that to my best mate".
that also may alter your perspective.
if your mate was married with kids,he wouldn't have a second chance to provide for his family.
As for showing contrition? What exactly is a couple of paper interviews and a claim that he apologised to the family and had a conversation that was private and will remain so, when in fact the meeting was instigated by the daughter of the dead man because he had never said sorry to the family. Same with Luke Mccormick, all they can do is talk about how sorry they feel not sorry to the families. Though we all make mistakes, fortunately not with the same consequences, when made pittying yourself and admitting guilt is not enough. Frankly to not even have the decency to apologise directly to the family in court AND in writing is below human.
Conduct yourself with a modicum of empathy after an extreme act of selfishness is the least level of humanity acceptable. For that at the time of their trials and after their sentence Naseem, Hughes and Mccormick are scum. At least Mccormick has written a letter now whilst Hughes converted to Islam, all for his own soul; I'd doubt he'd either offer blood money or his life as according to most interpretations ofInslamic law.
But the mark of a man is, having made a mistake, to take the punishment. Not to run off and hide. Even after sobering up and realising what he had done, he still wouldn't give himself up.
Here's a question to ask yourselves. What do you think the dead child's parents think when they see him running around triumphantly after scoring a goal?
What about their pain? The least he can do is go away and do something else so they don't have to see him and be reminded of their loss.
Sounds like hippy, leftie, turn the other cheek stuff to me ;-)
Learn a new one. Coach kids (although I would not want children of mine to have him as a role model) or put to good use one of the skills courses he had offered to him inside but I am sorry Gary Glitter made 'mistakes'. And I doubt very much any of you would want to pay to watch him.
I'm not saying i feel sorry for him, because we know who the real victims are, but imagine carrying round the guilt of what he did for the rest of your life.
In the NFL a player has just been sentenced for DUI manslaughter - donte stallworth
after a short prison sentence he will be on house arrest for 2 years, and could play american football during that time. But the NFL can suspend people for stuff they do outside the sport, and the player has been suspended indefinitely because they think him playing would "undermine the integrity of and public confidence in our league".
But he'll have the chance to prove his remorse and that he's changed and could be allowed back in. suspension
sorry if no-one cares about nfl, but its an interesting comparison i think.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit they say...
Although I quite like it : - )
(the mob are certainly well represented on here)
I would actually, although I accept I am in a minority.
Had a fight with the manager at the xmas party didn't he? Or some charity event?
Totally agree.
God knows how he has the nerve to do that after what he done - just walk down the tunnel. What an imbecile.
Missed at least two good chances plus the penality
Did not stop moaning at the ref
Appealed for everything including a penality in the first half when he blatantly dived
Acted like he had been shot when it looked like Reid barely touched him by our dugout
One blatant handball, maybe another one.
Just a pest.