London Riots
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Blimey, feel for you.Shine is from Torquay, it always make me laugh how may of these bleeding-heart liberals comment from a safe distance, or are the grannies looting on the English Rivera now?
He carried a loaded gun FFS and was a drug pusher.
from or live ? see you have bullshit facts too, I spent the first 20 years of my life in Luton.... exactly where I am now.0 -
Nothing to do with the "EDL" in Eltham. I'm sure there are some EDL sympathisers but it ain't EDL. Don't believe everything you read from numpties on Twitter.
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Sorry shine link didnt work, here:
thanks ok.. I missed that and am proven wrong, but unlike many here I can admit that
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc0 -
yep... which is why I moved to Devon to go university and better myself
Blimey, feel for you.Shine is from Torquay, it always make me laugh how may of these bleeding-heart liberals comment from a safe distance, or are the grannies looting on the English Rivera now?
He carried a loaded gun FFS and was a drug pusher.
from or live ? see you have bullshit facts too, I spent the first 20 years of my life in Luton.... exactly where I am now.0 -
Apparently Chris Powell has been spotted looting in Bournemouth again.0
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So reading that guardian piece there are 2 possibilities here:
1. When the police stopped the mini cab Duggan didn't have the gun drawn and was executed.
2. When the police stopped teh mini cab Duggan drew, or had already drawn, his weapon and police shot him before he could kill one of them.
1 sounds unlikely, police are scored on arrests/convictions, so if he didn't have the gun drawn they would have no reason to fire.
Of course I'm sure some on here think the police do go out executing innocent people all the time...
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Not a time for sociologists; they've failed already. I don't understand what motivates these misguided social heroes who always stand up for criminals while ignoring the victims. History will judge this era very harshly and it's not about governments; it's about a new generation of useless parents.0
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Just drove through Eltham, about 50/100 fellas gathered outside The Rising Sun singing England football sings.0
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not until I see the facts
Of course I'm sure some on here think the police do go out executing innocent people all the time...0 -
I'm in no way defending the scum that have been looting and vandalising cities across the country and neither am I defending a man carrying a gun capable of firing live ammunition. However serious questions have to be answered by the police. As a member of the public I would be extremely worried if the police killed a man when a shot had not been fired or if he was not about to use it. And even more worrying is this bullet that was lodged in the radio, initially we were told it had saved a policeman's life by being lodged there now we find out that bullet is police issue, how did it get there?
This is all speculation. Frankly none of us know any more thanFor quite a while I have lost faith in our police force (through my own experiences and through friends who are in the force) and this is incident is not doing anything to change those feelings.a) Duggan was shot dead by Policeb) Police fired two shotsc) One bullet believed to have been fired by the Police was lodged in a Police Officers radiod) Duggan was carrying a loaded gun when stoppedWhat we don't know is did1. Duggan attempt to fire the gun?2. he make a move towards the gun which may have been interpreted as about to bring his gun to bear?3. he threaten the life of members of the public4. anything else happen which may have lead the Police Officer to believe that people were in danger and shoot himI am concerned if he was "executed" in a "shoot to kill" way. Even though he was carrying a loaded gun, the law is clear that they cannot just shoot him dead, even if we might feel that he "deserved it". The IPCC's job with coroner is to establish what happened. If what happened is a prima facie crime, then the CPS will have to decide to prosecute.Until then its really not worth speculating.0 -
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Why would they leave their areas to protect a different one?Just had a text from a mate that Millwall hooligans are 'firmed' up in Eltham, travelled from all over. Bermondsey, Kent etc to protect Eltham.
In a way, i feel honoured.
Im impressed
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D) it is then. Case closed0
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I dont know, but one guy i know who is down there is from Bermondsey. I know that for a fact. In fact, he said there are a few from that way coming up
Why would they leave their areas to protect a different one?Just had a text from a mate that Millwall hooligans are 'firmed' up in Eltham, travelled from all over. Bermondsey, Kent etc to protect Eltham.
In a way, i feel honoured.
Im impressed
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Palace are defending my manor although they've said they'll only get into aggro with rioting kids wearing scarfs ;-)
I dont know, but one guy i know who is down there is from Bermondsey. I know that for a fact. In fact, he said there are a few from that way coming up
Why would they leave their areas to protect a different one?Just had a text from a mate that Millwall hooligans are 'firmed' up in Eltham, travelled from all over. Bermondsey, Kent etc to protect Eltham.
In a way, i feel honoured.
Im impressed
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Are there really that many spanners in Eltham?
Anyway, it's a pretty impressive turnout. I hope that Addicks & Millwall can both co-operate to keep any looting scumbags away from the Eltham/Welling/Bexley area and hopefully adjoining areas too. Great to see people standing up to the vermin - good work!0 -
started in manchester city centre now!
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Some of those people in Eltham are there for a row, make no bones about it - it's nothing to do with protection0
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What WSS said. There not bothered about protecting our area. They know there's a chance of having a ruck. I want the rioters to get a slap as much as anyone but at the end of the day if the rioters don't turn up the millwall fans will prob start with the police0
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Big group of EDL ion Hertford Rd, Enfield helping Police battle big group - seen it with my own eyes. They tried to do the Co-op0
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Smoke rising from the direction of Thamesmead0
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Yeah, I noticed that. I think there's some on here that probably owe you an apology.
Well I hope my open mind is now justified. Doubt anyone that gave me grief will acknowledge that thoughIPCC have now confirmed that no evidence that Mark Duggan fired on police. The bullet lodged in the police radio was police issue. Just reporting on BBC.
Are the police trying to insight more rioting?? Why announce that today?0 -
There are firms of football hoolies all over enfield 50 or so just got off at turkey street , 25 outside the George and the same at the pub in the market square
All yids and their proper boys0 -
Shine said:
yep... which is why I moved to Devon to go university and better myself.
Ask for your money back - it hasn't worked.
You make statements based on conjecture or hearsay and with scant regard for any official statement. Opinions are personal and therefore cannot be wrong but if you want anyone to take that opinion seriously then it has to be based on evidence. The fact that so many people have spent their time on here trying to point out that your statements are wrong should tell you, both that CL posters are concerned about their communities and that your opinions gain little or no credence. I really don't like being negative but you seem to lack any capacity for rational thought.
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Yup had one in the chamber twatScumbag with a loaded gun got shot by rozzers.....what is there to have a problem with?
yer presume it was loaded, after all everyone presumed he shot the police manI wouldn't mind a few trigger happy OB out on the streets tonight - might deter a few scumbags and get the welfare bill reduced in one fell swoop.
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sorry Shine166 but it was also confirmed that Duggan WAS carrying a gun as defined as a gun under the Firearms Act and that even though he didn't fire it there was a bullet in the chamber so he was preapred to fire it. What is a Policeman supposed to do, wait until he's been shot dead before returning fire. If Duggan hadn't been carrying the gun he'd be alive today. Simples.0
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What WSS said. There not bothered about protecting our area. They know there's a chance of having a ruck. I want the rioters to get a slap as much as anyone but at the end of the day if the rioters don't turn up the millwall fans will prob start with the police
My god, London's just been torched by gangs of feral youth, and you're worried about football lads mobbing up in Eltham to protect the area. Open your eyes.0



















