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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Southampton - Saturday 22nd November 2025 - 12:30pm Kick-Of
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Agree re Hernandez. Hopelessly exposed today. And not only Gillesphey second best to almost every challenge ... almost everyone wasDiebythesword said:Hernandez has consistently been terrible, I can see why no one wanted him. Bad decision to take off apter instead of Hernandez, both from a who’s the better player perspective and a man management perspective. Can’t imagine apter is particularly pleased with jones, even if he did shirk a tackle for one of their goals.
doc is a league one midfielder, can’t fault his character and attitude but he takes too many touches and gets caught out of position and seems slow.Big Mac gillesphey, love the bloke and some of his performances this season but he was slow and second best to everything today.Today showed us where we desperately need improvements in the squad. Unfortunately for our owners it’s a lot.0 -
We weren't looking for goals at 4-0 down, that would have been suicidal when Soton were carving us open, every time they counter attacked.carly burn said:Nearly jacked at half time but wanted to see how Jones responded after such a shoeing.
Hoped we might go out with a bit of intent but as predicted there was nothing there.
Go a goal down and we'll struggle to get it back. Not impossible but it will be a struggle.
Go down 2 or more and Jones really hasn't got the answers ,which is a concern.
Really felt for Apter. Jones really hung him out today..and I'm not sure he comes back from that. Turning to JRC at 4 down was also a bit of a piss take. When you need goals you may as well hoike Campbell off imo. He offers absolutely nothing. Could play until next Halloween and not trouble the goalkeeper.
This squad is thin and Jones can Ill afford resentment creeping in.
We were trying to stop the rot, and prevent the result being a complete humiliation. Which we achieved.
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Not on the same level as 4 goals in 8 mins but a bit reminiscent of the Rotherham game last season in that we randomly lost all our solidity for a game and always looked like conceding. Hopefully a similar blip and we respond well6
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Agree. Although it would have been nice to have won the second half at least.killerandflash said:
We weren't looking for goals at 4-0 down, that would have been suicidal when Soton were carving us open, every time they counter attacked.carly burn said:Nearly jacked at half time but wanted to see how Jones responded after such a shoeing.
Hoped we might go out with a bit of intent but as predicted there was nothing there.
Go a goal down and we'll struggle to get it back. Not impossible but it will be a struggle.
Go down 2 or more and Jones really hasn't got the answers ,which is a concern.
Really felt for Apter. Jones really hung him out today..and I'm not sure he comes back from that. Turning to JRC at 4 down was also a bit of a piss take. When you need goals you may as well hoike Campbell off imo. He offers absolutely nothing. Could play until next Halloween and not trouble the goalkeeper.
This squad is thin and Jones can Ill afford resentment creeping in.
We were trying to stop the rot, and prevent the result being a complete humiliation. Which we achieved.2 -
Ah thanks for confirming my suspicions, I thought I was seeing things…didn’t he wander round the back of the winger? Whatever the heck it was it was bizarremid_life_crisis said:I cannot unsee Hernandez defending in the lead up to their 1st goal.0 -
Tbf they only had one other chant “the saints go marching in” then sat quietly in the second half til the last ten when they piped up about jones again.CAFCTrev said:
Hard agree on this one. You're having one of your all-time great away days and 90% of your chants are giving pelters to an ex-manager. Pathetic.sam3110 said:Shout-out to the most boring fans in the world in Southampton btw, who all game just sung about a man who was in charge of them for all of about 7 weeks, a tiny blip in their history, but they have become so consumed by him and obsessed with him, it's all they could focus on instead of the 5-1 drubbing they were giving us, truly bizarre2 -
If Wednesday can beat United 2mo, the weekend hasn’t been a total write off1
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The only player with any credit from that shambles is Miles. Put himself about, won headers and balls into him, could have had a penalty.
The rest, shocking. The left hand side was appalling, but Southampton just ran through our midfield at will also. Quick, first time passing and we were nowhere near them.Makes no difference, because we were dead and buried, but thought the ref was a joke in the second half. Two penalties (Leaburn & Jones) ignored, getting in the way of the free kick when Carey was trying to line up a shot and then went on a spree of booking us for every tackle made.12 -
Well that was fucking dreadful.3
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Did nothing to cheer me up after the cricket. What a shit day for sport.7
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Was Jones trying to smash Soton and got it so so wrong with the line up / tactics ..1
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2 points off a playoff place and I’m not going to let one off day spoil what has otherwise been a good day out.For the players and Nathan, however, they each need to take a good look at themselves, what happened today and what went wrong. One or two of them might need to question whether they are punching above their weight and need to tell their agent to find them a gig in L2, or whether they are better than that performance today and they can do better.Onwards and upwards (with whoever that may be)2
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I blame @Addickted2TheReds for flying in for it.
The one positive is that he was so desperate to appear on @Braziliance vlog and so happy that he managed to get interviewed pre and post game. Really made his day!7 -
Just back home in Norwich. That was miserable. Set off at 5.30 this morning. Pissed down all the way home.2
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Repeating myself from the match thread, but I think NJ seriously miscalculated the game plan. Not sure if it was because of his history with them but we didn’t respect them anywhere near the same as Ipswich with our set up.
Someone more tactically astute can probably tell my why, but I’ve never seen Lloyd Jones pulled so far to the left and right to cover for Ramsay and Macca, who themselves were pulled out of position trying to cover for Apter and Hernandez who were too far up the pitch.
We massively missed Bree today, who just gets the press so much better than Apter and Ramsay and gives us so much balance.
Apter looks a complete waste of a signing if we have no intention of moving from 5-3-2. JRC not far behind in terms of effectiveness.
All in all, a dreadful day at the office and credit to Southampton, who were excellent value for the win. I’m grateful they slowed down and took their better players off as I’d have fancied them to score 7 or 8 today.
Not sure I’ll be jumping on the ‘we’re league one’ bandwagon. Missing 3 of our 5 backline hurt us today. Really, we’ve just got to try and end December outside with a gap between us and the relegation zone and get players back as quickly as possible. We’ve got a very tough run of fixtures on the horizon.
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I'd say bottom third. But fortunately we've already beaten some of the teams below us, if w can draw or beat them again it could be enough keep us safeCovered_End_Lad said:
being beaten comfortably by a team full of million pound players doesn’t make us a league one side, we are a bottom half champ side who had a better than expected start. We’ll end up about where we should be 12th-18th which any of us would have bitten your hand off for at the start of the season.closet_addick said:Today it became clear that we're a League One side that has punched above their weight till this point. And that Southampton is a top Championship/shite Premier League side that has been shit till this point.
Man, I need a drink...1 -
Positives:
i thought Campbell, Leaburn and Rankin-Costello had good games along with Ramsay and Jones.
Negatives
Hernandez should not play on the left
Apter should not play where he has to be a WB
We desperately need Bell or Edwards back as with neither the lack of pace of Gilleshpey and to a lesser extent Jones are exposed. Is that where Fukuda plays?
All their goals were from our midfield/defense being pulled out of shape to try and cover for wing backs in the wrong place.4 -
People need to remember only a few weeks back we did the same to Ipswich …3
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That sounds like a good week to me , welcome to the IBS world .DamoNorthStand said:Well considering my week has consisted of 5 days worth of the worst IBS ever, too many shits to mention, and being trapped for an hour at a time in the bog at work - I thought I had seen the worst of the week.
Oh no. If Carlsberg Imodium did Saturdays, this would be it.0 -
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Apter a winger not wing back .. should replace Campbell .. Costello a holding midfielder player not right back .. he played well second half in 343 system … Apter excellent player who will supply crosses and score goals but he got to play in his proper positionSOTF said:Repeating myself from the match thread, but I think NJ seriously miscalculated the game plan. Not sure if it was because of his history with them but we didn’t respect them anywhere near the same as Ipswich with our set up.
Someone more tactically astute can probably tell my why, but I’ve never seen Lloyd Jones pulled so far to the left and right to cover for Ramsay and Macca, who themselves were pulled out of position trying to cover for Apter and Hernandez who were too far up the pitch.
We massively missed Bree today, who just gets the press so much better than Apter and Ramsay and gives us so much balance.
Apter looks a complete waste of a signing if we have no intention of moving from 5-3-2. JRC not far behind in terms of effectiveness.
All in all, a dreadful day at the office and credit to Southampton, who were excellent value for the win. I’m grateful they slowed down and took their better players off as I’d have fancied them to score 7 or 8 today.
Not sure I’ll be jumping on the ‘we’re league one’ bandwagon. Missing 3 of our 5 backline hurt us today. Really, we’ve just got to try and end December outside with a gap between us and the relegation zone and get players back as quickly as possible. We’ve got a very tough run of fixtures on the horizon.
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Southampton played to our weaknesses, mainly our lack of pace both in midfield and in our makeshift defence. They cut through us with ease on too many occasions in that disastrous first half. Jones and Gillesphey hardly had to win any headers today and it was probably the right move to put Ramsey right in the centre of defence as he is much faster than those two.
The ref had a reasonable first half but was awful in the second. Had the game been closer I think he would have got a lot more stick from the fans.
Some tough games coming up. Let's hope this is just a blip.2 -
Southampton seemed to come down our left with ease and through the middle. Maybe somebody might be able to explain why Apter was subbed, other than we needed to defend at all costs?Radostanradical said:So soooo bad, i know some will want to feel sorry for Apter claim he was scapegoated but he wasnt. The whole team was shocking today but during his 30mins he was terrible and looked scared at times.1 -
Such a game of opinions. TC is awful. Can’t challenge for any ball up to him, will never win a header and bar one attempt couldn’t get a tackle in. This isn’t new, this has been going on since Cambridge last year. He’s not scoring or creating. Rankin-Costello was very, very limited, although that I accept might be seen as a positive in that game. Leaburn was the single positive today, but it really wouldn’t have taken much to take that accolade.Alwaysneil said:Positives:
i thought Campbell, Leaburn and Rankin-Costello had good games along with Ramsay and Jones.
Negatives
Hernandez should not play on the left
Apter should not play where he has to be a WB
We desperately need Bell or Edwards back as with neither the lack of pace of Gilleshpey and to a lesser extent Jones are exposed. Is that where Fukuda plays?
All their goals were from our midfield/defense being pulled out of shape to try and cover for wing backs in the wrong place.
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Wait until Argentina beat us at rugby tomorrow!cantersaddick said:Did nothing to cheer me up after the cricket. What a shit day for sport.2 -
As much as I love my fellow... Uh, Danish citizen... Claus Jensen!!! He must not be invited back to the ground, if this is what happens. 🤣6
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What Campbell and Leaburn contributed nothing .. Campbell stats this season 1 assit 0 goals championship step to far for these twoAlwaysneil said:Positives:
i thought Campbell, Leaburn and Rankin-Costello had good games along with Ramsay and Jones.
Negatives
Hernandez should not play on the left
Apter should not play where he has to be a WB
We desperately need Bell or Edwards back as with neither the lack of pace of Gilleshpey and to a lesser extent Jones are exposed. Is that where Fukuda plays?
All their goals were from our midfield/defense being pulled out of shape to try and cover for wing backs in the wrong place.
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I don’t know if it’s me but why do I think miles leaburn doesn’t give a shit.3
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Saints were thoroughbreds vs us- ponies. Class at understanding each other and using outstanding pace and passing into space. strikers and midfield were excellent, defence only average/medicore but that was enough.Fortune 82nd Minute said:Big question is was that just one of those days with Southampton being really good or a forerunner of a very difficult rest of the season?
I veer towards the former - Southampton's movement and passing was first class in the first half and I struggle to see how anyone can say they weren't very good.
But that performance throws up a number of issues. Apter is simply not a wing back and if he can't be fitted into his proper role he will surely not be around much longer; the lack of goals from our strikers is now a joke; and we badly need some of our injured players back.
Charlton being Charlton, it wouldn't surprise me if we went to Stoke and got a result. But that is going to need a much improved performance to achieve.
Nobody in our squad could live with it Kaminski held them out for a short while.
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Doesnt help that he only really had a fully fit Thierry Small to work with for two games after that Cambridge match.TelMc32 said:
Such a game of opinions. TC is awful. Can’t challenge for any ball up to him, will never win a header and bar one attempt couldn’t get a tackle in. This isn’t new, this has been going on since Cambridge last year. He’s not scoring or creating. Rankin-Costello was very, very limited, although that I accept might be seen as a positive in that game. Leaburn was the single positive today, but it really wouldn’t have taken much to take that accolade.Alwaysneil said:Positives:
i thought Campbell, Leaburn and Rankin-Costello had good games along with Ramsay and Jones.
Negatives
Hernandez should not play on the left
Apter should not play where he has to be a WB
We desperately need Bell or Edwards back as with neither the lack of pace of Gilleshpey and to a lesser extent Jones are exposed. Is that where Fukuda plays?
All their goals were from our midfield/defense being pulled out of shape to try and cover for wing backs in the wrong place.
We had the benefit with Campbell and Small to threaten down either flank, if one got overloaded, we had the benefit of just switching to the other side, teams could handle one of them, they couldn't handle us when we had both of them - Small hasn't been replaced (Apter can attack, he can't defend), so the opposition can mark Campbell out of games.2
