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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Southampton - Saturday 22nd November 2025 - 12:30pm Kick-Of
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I almost always watch a whole match regardless of how the game is going. I switched off after the third goal. It was like they were playing on fast forward. The difference in speed and accuracy was unreal. Frightening.6
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Astute analysiscarly burn said:
Id go as far to say that they did so much homework on our press that they knew exactly how Campbell would be highest up and the likley positions of Doc and Cov in such a scenario. They drew us in and executed it brilliantly.golfaddick said:
And the passes were forwards & on the floor....to players in space & already on the run.carly burn said:Their third was something else. Little triangles at the back with their keeper involved. Then completely split us in two with a couple of wonderful.passes. That right there was prem league versus bang average league one.
Compared to our backwards & sideways passing to players standing still or with their backs to goal.
Look how many times they got the ball into the box....either running with it or by crossing it. Compare that to our offerings. Chalk & cheese.
Our team & current set up will only get us so far.2 -
Today was a bit uncharacteristic of us , especially at the Valley, 1 defeat in over a season at the valley in the league, was always going to come tumbling down at some point.
I thought this would have come a lot sooner, than 16 matches this season.
we looked leggy, like the international break, had really undone us, rather than having come at a good time, and helped us.
Injuries have hurt us, and I did wonder how many of those playing, were playing with injuries.
Personally I’d bring Karoy back in for the Stoke away game, but we need a bit more than that, across the team.
Did wonder if the players had been out on the lash, celebrating their Christmas party, or is that still to come?4 -
Post-match pod is here https://www.southlondonsportcharltonathleticedition.com/p/charlton-athletic-1-southampton-50
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Which they do and yet Nathan persists with him when he shows no sign of being able to fathom out what to do. Sorry, but the lad can’t even put a defender under pressure when the ball is played forward to him, he can’t win a header and isn’t scoring or assisting. He needs to be taken out for a good few games as we try something different.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt help that he only really had a fully fit Thierry Small to work with for two games after that Cambridge match.TelMc32 said:
Such a game of opinions. TC is awful. Can’t challenge for any ball up to him, will never win a header and bar one attempt couldn’t get a tackle in. This isn’t new, this has been going on since Cambridge last year. He’s not scoring or creating. Rankin-Costello was very, very limited, although that I accept might be seen as a positive in that game. Leaburn was the single positive today, but it really wouldn’t have taken much to take that accolade.Alwaysneil said:Positives:
i thought Campbell, Leaburn and Rankin-Costello had good games along with Ramsay and Jones.
Negatives
Hernandez should not play on the left
Apter should not play where he has to be a WB
We desperately need Bell or Edwards back as with neither the lack of pace of Gilleshpey and to a lesser extent Jones are exposed. Is that where Fukuda plays?
All their goals were from our midfield/defense being pulled out of shape to try and cover for wing backs in the wrong place.
We had the benefit with Campbell and Small to threaten down either flank, if one got overloaded, we had the benefit of just switching to the other side, teams could handle one of them, they couldn't handle us when we had both of them - Small hasn't been replaced (Apter can attack, he can't defend), so the opposition can mark Campbell out of games.6 -
This afternoon was the first time Charlton Athletic have let in 5 goals in a home league game since exactly 17 years ago today when they lost 5-2 to Sheffield UnitedAlan Pardew was sacked later that evening1
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Can see us losing to stoke BUT then typical charlton will go and be the first team to beat coventry on there own patch this season0
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I know you get pelters on here Golfie but on this issue you are correct. We have too many players not being used according to their strengths. Why did NJ buy them if they didn't fit what he wanted? "Play the way you're facing" - especially when we have lots of important players out.golfaddick said:
6ft 6 & he's not had a cross into the box to attack. Set up all wrong. Use Apter/Hernandez/TC as wingers & get them slinging crosses in from the byline. And have Carey or Berry feeding off the knockdowns.LargeAddick said:
I'd agree with that. Better in second half but even in the first half at least he was trying.Athletico Charlton said:sammy391 said:Only watched the first half, and left sharply at HT!
- As others have said, Leaburn movement and tracking/chasing down just doesn't look like he's interested; not sure if that's what he has been told to do or not
- Doc was poor and looked off the pace
- Carey didnt quite keep the ball enough, but put that down to him wanting to get forward and force the point
- Coventry tried but again just fumbled the ball
- TC up against bigger and better CBs
- our football has quickly become hoofball again - rather than trying to play around and have any form of attacking intent.
- Hernandez hasnt showed anything to warrant a contract - in fact he's done quite the opposite
- felt for Apter, hadnt done too much wrong but too the fall for JRC to come on.
Just a shit day at the office, back to basics on tuesday and 'stop the rot'
Not interested... Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. For me he was one of our better players today.
I'd caveat the above with the fact I don't actually think he's good enough. We all want one of our own to succeed but I just don't see it with Miles.1 -
I'm sure we'll recover from this dreadful game but I think going forward our Nathan will probably be re-doing his email to the owners saying that he now needs 4 player's in the January window not two.
We desperately need two quality Centre halves... Jones is running on vapour and can't be everywhere on the pitch especially if he's carrying an injury and with Burkes sick record he's not coming back any time soon.
In midfield Coventry like Jones needs solid help alongside him.
Up front gawd knows, we're pinning a lot of hope on Godden coming back which is worrying, nobody has a clue how bad Kelmans injury is and Tanto hasn't even started 3 games on the trot so making an assessment of his ability or not is impossible.
Tuesday at my Stoke needs a Curbs like performance to stop the rot.
As for the Team that plays not a clue but Knibbs, Berry and Tanto should start but its a real worry.
Taking a realist point of view we probably need to grind out 8 wins out of 30 games. This is definitely possible but the quicker we get there the better so January will probably be the most important window that we've faced because failure to spend could mean a very nervy few months.... We simply can't afford to get relegated... Period!
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That first half this afternoon was a reality checkIf you don’t play to the levels you have shown all season then that’s what can happen at this level
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From the NU we appeared obviously exposed so very quickly . The wing backs looked vulnerable and we were jittery and uncharacteristically slow. Their goals looked so inevitable as well.Not sure I can remember many games quite like that in the last 40 years. And I’ve seen some dross. It was surreal and paradoxically totally expected as it unfolded3
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Not much to add, as bad as it gets first half better second but by then Saints were comfy and game was over.
Midfield was non existent and zero defending on show, think Jones gets it wrong today with the set up - even with the shortages at the back - Leaburn's a bit of a luxury at times, Campbell gets shagged out quick and just been on int duty, two wingers for the wing back slots.
Southampton made the most of our faults, fair play, they really did look like the team that many predicted would be up there come the end of the season. Carved us open and tore us apart, passing and movement, went through us with ease.
Not losing my mind over it as a whole but as a single game and performance... Utter shambolic embarrassment.
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Sword65pf said:
Think you are looking for something that’s not there to be honest, more so a bad day at the office highlighted by the loss of important players. That wasn’t the CAFC of recent times. We will be back.eastterrace6168 said:I said it in the match thread, and I will say it again, today's no show by every single player bar Kaminski, looked like something has happened within the club during the International break...
I know about the absentees and the lack of Edwards and Bree, but that team we put out should have been capable of putting on a better performance than we were dished up, and from what I saw on the stream even Nathan looked subdued and not as articulate as usual...
No, today was wrong on so many levels...🤔
I kind of hope you are right mate, because we were absolutely so far behind play today it was more than embarrassing, whilst I say that, the masochist in me is actually looking forward to Tuesday at Stoke, because we surely can't be that bad two games on the trot...👍1 -
CAFC 0-6 Leeds Viduka Smith and others?holyjo said:From the NU we appeared obviously exposed so very quickly . The wing backs looked vulnerable and we were jittery and uncharacteristically slow. Their goals looked so inevitable as well.Not sure I can remember many games quite like that in the last 40 years. And I’ve seen some dross. It was surreal and paradoxically totally expected as it unfolded
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Wasn’t there and only going off what has been posted about Jones, but if he’s fit enough for Tuesday, I would prefer a back four of Bree, Jones, Gillesphey and Ramsay having to fill in at LB. I know he’s right footed, but at least he’ll understand where to position himself and will give us a slightly better chance of keeping it tight. If Jones isn’t fit then God only knows what we do. Hernandez at CB1
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I had a similar thought during the game. Probably nothing.eastterrace6168 said:I said it in the match thread, and I will say it again, today's no show by every single player bar Kaminski, looked like something has happened within the club during the International break...
I know about the absentees and the lack of Edwards and Bree, but that team we put out should have been capable of putting on a better performance than we were dished up, and from what I saw on the stream even Nathan looked subdued and not as articulate as usual...
No, today was wrong on so many levels...🤔
But when you consider 98% of the football supporting community think he's a bit of a pr*CK there's a high likelihood that some in his own dressing room also think the same.1 -
Forget Jones’s illness at Wrexhamcabbles said:Wasn’t there and only going off what has been posted about Jones, but if he’s fit enough for Tuesday, I would prefer a back four of Bree, Jones, Gillesphey and Ramsay having to fill in at LB. I know he’s right footed, but at least he’ll understand where to position himself and will give us a slightly better chance of keeping it tight. If Jones isn’t fit then God only knows what we do. Hernandez at CB
The fella must be playing with pain killing injections for the last few weeks
Something is not right with him but he reminds me of a Simon Webster eho lives for that shirt and f*** the consequences0 -
Charlton 1 West Brom 4 with Robbie Earnshaw hat trick was a bad one1
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One for the stattos, but have we ever been 0-4 at home after 22 minutes. I certainly cannot remember that.KingKinsella said:
CAFC 0-6 Leeds Viduka Smith and others?holyjo said:From the NU we appeared obviously exposed so very quickly . The wing backs looked vulnerable and we were jittery and uncharacteristically slow. Their goals looked so inevitable as well.Not sure I can remember many games quite like that in the last 40 years. And I’ve seen some dross. It was surreal and paradoxically totally expected as it unfolded
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My first game, I still came backWeegie Addick said:Charlton 1 West Brom 4 with Robbie Earnshaw hat trick was a bad one1 -
Same mate, we were fucking awful, for 20mins they were really good also which made the gulf wider. That will be stinging our team tonight because they will know how poor to a man they were, we need a response big time.eastterrace6168 said:Sword65pf said:
Think you are looking for something that’s not there to be honest, more so a bad day at the office highlighted by the loss of important players. That wasn’t the CAFC of recent times. We will be back.eastterrace6168 said:I said it in the match thread, and I will say it again, today's no show by every single player bar Kaminski, looked like something has happened within the club during the International break...
I know about the absentees and the lack of Edwards and Bree, but that team we put out should have been capable of putting on a better performance than we were dished up, and from what I saw on the stream even Nathan looked subdued and not as articulate as usual...
No, today was wrong on so many levels...🤔
I kind of hope you are right mate, because we were absolutely so far behind play today it was more than embarrassing, whilst I say that, the masochist in me is actually looking forward to Tuesday at Stoke, because we surely can't be that bad two games on the trot...👍0 -
Except, Bree is playing through an injury and we still do not have any other proper wingbacks. If I were Stoke I would be playing down our left side from the get go.eastterrace6168 said:Sword65pf said:
Think you are looking for something that’s not there to be honest, more so a bad day at the office highlighted by the loss of important players. That wasn’t the CAFC of recent times. We will be back.eastterrace6168 said:I said it in the match thread, and I will say it again, today's no show by every single player bar Kaminski, looked like something has happened within the club during the International break...
I know about the absentees and the lack of Edwards and Bree, but that team we put out should have been capable of putting on a better performance than we were dished up, and from what I saw on the stream even Nathan looked subdued and not as articulate as usual...
No, today was wrong on so many levels...🤔
I kind of hope you are right mate, because we were absolutely so far behind play today it was more than embarrassing, whilst I say that, the masochist in me is actually looking forward to Tuesday at Stoke, because we surely can't be that bad two games on the trot...👍
If Bree is fit NJ has to start him and Costello as wingbacks. At least they both have experience in those positions, unlike any other fit player in the squad. Pack the midfield and play one up front and pray for a 0-0.0 -
I am not sure about Campbell. Will he develop into a great player or remain an average League 1 journeyman.
today was too easy for Southampton, they by passed us and drew defenders the put the ball behind and no one had the pace to cut them off.Nathan Jones is great but all the praise he put on the Southampton team a bit worrying us up to today they have been poor.0 -
As was 0-4 Brighton with a certain Radostan Kishishev absolutely running the show, without really stepping up from walking footbal speed.Weegie Addick said:Charlton 1 West Brom 4 with Robbie Earnshaw hat trick was a bad one0 -
As has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we have been punching above our weight. And what we have lacked in skill and talent has been made up for with heart and passion. We've been spoiled as fans, and the results have been so good that some of us can be forgiven for dreaming of the playoffs, but this was always going to be an incredibly difficult season. The goal must be to stay away from league one, and we can still do that. We fight on, UTA!3
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Only the players not getting game time because they haven’t taken their opportunity when they’ve had it. Think we were found out today but any concerns will be born out on Tuesday I’d say, don’t see why there’s any issue.carly burn said:
I had a similar thought during the game. Probably nothing.eastterrace6168 said:I said it in the match thread, and I will say it again, today's no show by every single player bar Kaminski, looked like something has happened within the club during the International break...
I know about the absentees and the lack of Edwards and Bree, but that team we put out should have been capable of putting on a better performance than we were dished up, and from what I saw on the stream even Nathan looked subdued and not as articulate as usual...
No, today was wrong on so many levels...🤔
But when you consider 98% of the football supporting community think he's a bit of a pr*CK there's a high likelihood that some in his own dressing room also think the same.0 -
I was in the queue behind many more . Not proud of it but I seriously thought Southampton were going to get 9 or 10 goals . In fact they should have.golfaddick said:
Blimey.......theres leaving early & then there's leaving even earlier. But before HT !Bedsaddick said:First time I’ve ever left a game before half time. I genuinely believed they would get to double figures the way it was going and I couldn’t watch that . Just missed our goal . Serves me right I suppose .0 -
I agree, they completely outplayed us. People seem to read what I wrote as Southampton aren’t a good side. What I’m saying is they didn’t play out of their skins or play in a way that couldn’t be defended against, they played some pretty simple stuff and that was enough to rip us to shreds. I met up with a load of Saints fans after the game and they said the same thing; they don’t think they played that well but still completely killed us. Barely had to try.cafcsinger said:
I enjoy your posts but I couldn’t disagree more. Yes we were poor, but they completely out played us. The little triangle, first time ball into midfield, we couldn’t handle. They had the technical ability to do that, and fair play credit to them - best team I’m seen at The Valley in a 3* years.Garrymanilow said:
Because they weren’t that good. They killed us because we were absolutely terrible. I don’t think Saints got out of second gear once today, they just ran at us, played some pretty simple triangles, moved off the ball and dropped into space. Basic stuff that we made look like prime Brazil. They gave up after the 4th goal and weren’t even really trying when they scored the 5th. We played suicidally high at the back, Lloyd Jones kept getting suckered into stepping into the space and allowing the ball to be played in behind and the wingbacks may as well not have been there. Our midfielders chased shadows and we weren’t in it. Saints play like that against a proper team and they don’t get anywhere near that resultcafcsinger said:
How on earth can you say Southampton weren’t that good? Totally bizarre - they killed us and could have been 8 nil up first half. Second half they gave up and controlled the game.Garrymanilow said:Jesus Christ. Absolute crap, the worst thing is saints weren’t even very good, we were just that bad. Second half weirdly annoyed me more than the first because Saints didn’t even bother in the second half and we came out with no urgency, no real effort and after about 5 minutes of vaguely trying we just gave up. Pathetic. In the first half I quite liked JRC but he went to pieces as the second half went on. I can see why Jones doesn’t like him. Not fit enough and not aggressive enough. Tanto was terrible and showed just how well Miles did winning his battles. Hernandez was completely absent as a LWB but weirdly put some proper challenges in as right back, more than anyone else did. We will never see Rob Apter again.It was a mistake to start both Apter and Hernandez and I don’t know if Lloyd Jones was told to step up as much as he did or if he just lost his mind but it’s the worst we’ve looked under Jones at the back since the Terrel Thomas days. Really bad, never looked like fighting back for a bit of pride. Also I’m fucking freezingYou just have to look at those goals; the first has some nice build up but in the end we’re easily beaten down the left because our LWB is off in outer space or wherever and then we lose a header in our own box. The second their striker has time to miscontrol the ball in the box and still finish. The third they play a single pass inside their own half and they’re fully in behind us and the fourth there’s another easy ball in behind. How many times has this defence been completely split open by a simple pass in behind? The defence is such a mess for that third goal it made me wonder if Appleton was back in charge for the day. We didn’t do any of the things that have served us well defensively. We were undone by simple and effective football not a team playing beyond themselves and that’s pretty galling0 -
Bedsaddick said:
I was in the queue behind many more . Not proud of it but I seriously thought Southampton were going to get 9 or 10 goals . In fact they should have.golfaddick said:
Blimey.......theres leaving early & then there's leaving even earlier. But before HT !Bedsaddick said:First time I’ve ever left a game before half time. I genuinely believed they would get to double figures the way it was going and I couldn’t watch that . Just missed our goal . Serves me right I suppose .
Queuing up to get out!, that must be a first...🤦♂️4
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