Jonjo Shelvey in Dubai
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fenaddick said:
Maybe you haven't been to Peckham for a couple of years but it's quite up and coming and being gentrified now, certainly doesn't live up to the reputation it had a few years ago.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Regardless, most "rough" places in London feel much safer than the "rough" places in other European cities. I spent 4/5 years starting at 18 working late night in Brixton, travelling across south London on night buses between and only saw any trouble a handful of times
Was there last year, I would suggest that you cannot polish a turd.
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https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25317214.venner-road-sydenham-double-stabbing-two-boys-hospital/Leuth said:I feel like this thread would be much more illuminating if people revealed where they actually live. Sent from the mean streets of Sydenham, where I am texting and walking with headphones blaring like some sort of crazy risk-taker1 -
Friend Or Defoe said:
A shocker to who, people who haven't heard of London?ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Croydon is in Surrey and an absolute khazi, i have many stories about that place. Peckham is improving and has some decent pubs.Oh that is okay then, go and live in one of the boozers.In the space of 20 minutes I saw a guy doing a deal in a bus stop for some drugs(in broad daylight), and also saw a pushbike being chased by a police car, and incredibly the push bike was able to do an about turn and leave the police car for dead!1 -
https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25531834.sidcup-schools-went-lockdown-threats-made/DOUCHER said:Just read the article - each to their own and not 100% sure where he grew up but suspect East London? All i can say is, i've brought my kids up in Sidcup and couldn't think of a better place to do so. Easy going area, good schools, pubs/ social clubs, on the doorstep of central london which has as much if not more going on, including career opportunities than most cities in the world. I've lived in Eltham, New Eltham and Sidcup and worked in central London all my adult life. Never had anything nicked or had any bother, ever. I appreciate not all places in London are as easy going but i genuinely wonder whether the media paint a far worse picture than the reality. He's not gonna have to live on a run down inner city estate and if you don't walk around with a blinged up phone and watch in the wrong places, you'll be fine. Do that anywhere in the world, you're asking for trouble in some paces.
https://www.uknip.co.uk/news/uk/breaking/violent-attack-in-sidcup-captured-on-cctv-amid-rising-crime-concerns/0 -
A man has been jailed for life after he murdered a young father and stole his watch in Greenwich, south east London.
Danny Pearce, 31, was stabbed to death by Jordan Bailey-Mascoll as he was mugged by two armed men on King William Walk on 15 July, 2017.
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It's funny you mention this. We went to Napoli a couple of years ago and everyone i spoke to before we went was like "be careful, watch out for guys on scooters, keep your belongings close, dont get your phone out in public" etc etc. Was there 3 days and had absolutely no bother at all. Was in a pub and the barman was saying he'd worked in England for a bit (Boston weirdly) but he'd never been to London. Followed it up by saying he was afraid to cause everyone carries a knife and people are getting stabbed left right and centre! I had to correct him on that and encouraged him to come over, but it's weird how this kind of stuff gets exaggerated.cantersaddick said:
No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.O-Randy-Hunt said:
That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.CAFCsayer said:
That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.YannTheMann said:Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric5 -
No he does not. He was democratically elected. No reason to hoof him out until his term is over. Then use the ballot box.ElfsborgAddick said:Khan still needs to hoofed out as Mayor of London, but that is another matter.
The Tories even changed the voting system I London to try and get him out.
Personally, I di not thin any Mayor should be able to stand for more than three terms, but that's another issue.
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Gun-Enabled Offences
Peaked at 5.9 per 10,000 in 2002; fell 42% to 3.4 per 10,000 by 2008 and has stayed low (~1.2 per 10,000 in 2022/23).Knife-Enabled Offences
Rose to 16.8 per 10,000 in 2009–10 but declined ~20% by 2016 before recent increases; still ~15% below the peak in 2023/24, with hospital admissions for sharp-object assaults down 26% since 2020.
Overall Crime.In summary, despite media focus on recent rises, the data substantiates London as safer overall - fewer homicides, robberies, and victimisations per capita than 20–30 years ago, thanks to targeted policing, economic growth, and tech (e.g., CCTV).5 -
Actually I'm glad loads of you are seemingly shit scared of London, great news for me, stay away more room at the pub3
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Oh you poor thing, what a horrible thing to experience, no wonder you fled to the safety of Brazil.ElfsborgAddick said:Friend Or Defoe said:
A shocker to who, people who haven't heard of London?ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Croydon is in Surrey and an absolute khazi, i have many stories about that place. Peckham is improving and has some decent pubs.Oh that is okay then, go and live in one of the boozers.In the space of 20 minutes I saw a guy doing a deal in a bus stop for some drugs(in broad daylight), and also saw a pushbike being chased by a police car, and incredibly the push bike was able to do an about turn and leave the police car for dead!
Can you hear the shotgun blasts in the Favelas at night?4 - Sponsored links:
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Nothing happened in the last 8 years then I guess that you needed to go back that far?Covered End said:A man has been jailed for life after he murdered a young father and stole his watch in Greenwich, south east London.
Danny Pearce, 31, was stabbed to death by Jordan Bailey-Mascoll as he was mugged by two armed men on King William Walk on 15 July, 2017./www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44898264
Safest place in the world if so.6 -
What I've taken from this thread is that our attendance numbers over the years have actually been really impressive considering the proportion of our fan base that appears to be cowering in fear at the thought of stepping foot in that London.14
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It's almost like you completely missed the point about 24 hour news cycles and negative news selling meaning people hear about these incidents more when previously they were limited to their local community. The data says that crime is down in London compared to 20 and 30 years ago and violent crime massively down in that same period.Covered End said:
https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25531834.sidcup-schools-went-lockdown-threats-made/DOUCHER said:Just read the article - each to their own and not 100% sure where he grew up but suspect East London? All i can say is, i've brought my kids up in Sidcup and couldn't think of a better place to do so. Easy going area, good schools, pubs/ social clubs, on the doorstep of central london which has as much if not more going on, including career opportunities than most cities in the world. I've lived in Eltham, New Eltham and Sidcup and worked in central London all my adult life. Never had anything nicked or had any bother, ever. I appreciate not all places in London are as easy going but i genuinely wonder whether the media paint a far worse picture than the reality. He's not gonna have to live on a run down inner city estate and if you don't walk around with a blinged up phone and watch in the wrong places, you'll be fine. Do that anywhere in the world, you're asking for trouble in some paces.
https://www.uknip.co.uk/news/uk/breaking/violent-attack-in-sidcup-captured-on-cctv-amid-rising-crime-concerns/8 -
Strange. A quick Wiki check.
ExtractThe Office for National Statistics data between June 2016 and March 2020 showed per person crime had increased by 31% in England and by a lower margin of 18% in London since 2016.[2] These statistics count only crime recorded by police,[3] and it is estimated that overall crime continues to decrease.[4]
The increase in crime recorded in London is not uniform across different types of offence. For example, while homicides increased over the period by 23% in London compared to 8% across England, violence against the person in general increased by 2% in London compared to 7% across England.[2] Over the same period, sexual offences recorded by police in London fell by 2% while in England they remained flat; robbery increased by 16% in London, compared to 6% across England. Otherwise, the increase in London over 2019/20 was largely driven by an increase in theft offences, including burglary. Theft[5] is stealing from a person without the use or threat of force, robbery is stealing by using force or the threat of force on someone and burglary is entering a property illegally in order to steal. Theft offences account for 50% of the Metropolitan Police's recorded crimes and increased by 4% last year. Across England, they fell 5%.
Over the longer period, the trend is similar. Since 2016, the number of police recorded theft offences (without force or threat) per person has increased by 23% in London, compared to a rise of 7% in England more widely, accounting for much of the recorded increase in crime in the capital.
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Strange, a fact check. Interesting that time stopped in 2020 for you and only compared 4 total years.MrWalker said:Strange. A quick Wiki check.
ExtractThe Office for National Statistics data between June 2016 and March 2020 showed per person crime had increased by 31% in England and by a lower margin of 18% in London since 2016.[2] These statistics count only crime recorded by police,[3] and it is estimated that overall crime continues to decrease.[4]
The increase in crime recorded in London is not uniform across different types of offence. For example, while homicides increased over the period by 23% in London compared to 8% across England, violence against the person in general increased by 2% in London compared to 7% across England.[2] Over the same period, sexual offences recorded by police in London fell by 2% while in England they remained flat; robbery increased by 16% in London, compared to 6% across England. Otherwise, the increase in London over 2019/20 was largely driven by an increase in theft offences, including burglary. Theft[5] is stealing from a person without the use or threat of force, robbery is stealing by using force or the threat of force on someone and burglary is entering a property illegally in order to steal. Theft offences account for 50% of the Metropolitan Police's recorded crimes and increased by 4% last year. Across England, they fell 5%.
Over the longer period, the trend is similar. Since 2016, the number of police recorded theft offences (without force or threat) per person has increased by 23% in London, compared to a rise of 7% in England more widely, accounting for much of the recorded increase in crime in the capital.
https://www.london.gov.uk/london-records-fewest-homicides-year-monthly-records-beganThe number of homicides in London in the first nine months of 2025 was lower than any year since monthly homicide records began in 2003, according to new analysis from the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC).
The new figures show there were 70 homicides in London between 1st January and 30th September 2025, lower than the same period in every year since 2003 - and a 16 per cent reduction compared to the same period last year. Last year, London recorded the fewest number of homicides of under-25s for more than two decades. Figures this year show a 50 per cent reduction on last year’s 22-year low and the lowest number of teenage homicides since 2012 .
The latest figures also show there were 1,154 fewer knife crime offences in the 12 months to August 2025 in London - a seven per cent drop3. And a 10 per cent reduction in hospital admissions of under-25s for knife assaults in London in the 12 months to June 2025.
As some politicians and commentators continue to talk London down, the facts continue to show the reality when it comes to the progress being made on crime in the capital. Violent crime leading to injury has fallen in all 32 London boroughs over the last 12 months.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics show Londoners are, on average, less likely to be a victim of a violence with injury offence than across the rest of England and Wales. London’s overall homicide rate is lower than international cities, including Paris, Brussels, Berlin and Madrid.
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Strange.SELR_addicks said:
Strange, a fact check. Interesting that time stopped in 2020 for you and only compared 4 total years.MrWalker said:Strange. A quick Wiki check.
ExtractThe Office for National Statistics data between June 2016 and March 2020 showed per person crime had increased by 31% in England and by a lower margin of 18% in London since 2016.[2] These statistics count only crime recorded by police,[3] and it is estimated that overall crime continues to decrease.[4]
The increase in crime recorded in London is not uniform across different types of offence. For example, while homicides increased over the period by 23% in London compared to 8% across England, violence against the person in general increased by 2% in London compared to 7% across England.[2] Over the same period, sexual offences recorded by police in London fell by 2% while in England they remained flat; robbery increased by 16% in London, compared to 6% across England. Otherwise, the increase in London over 2019/20 was largely driven by an increase in theft offences, including burglary. Theft[5] is stealing from a person without the use or threat of force, robbery is stealing by using force or the threat of force on someone and burglary is entering a property illegally in order to steal. Theft offences account for 50% of the Metropolitan Police's recorded crimes and increased by 4% last year. Across England, they fell 5%.
Over the longer period, the trend is similar. Since 2016, the number of police recorded theft offences (without force or threat) per person has increased by 23% in London, compared to a rise of 7% in England more widely, accounting for much of the recorded increase in crime in the capital.
https://www.london.gov.uk/london-records-fewest-homicides-year-monthly-records-beganThe number of homicides in London in the first nine months of 2025 was lower than any year since monthly homicide records began in 2003, according to new analysis from the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC).
The new figures show there were 70 homicides in London between 1st January and 30th September 2025, lower than the same period in every year since 2003 - and a 16 per cent reduction compared to the same period last year. Last year, London recorded the fewest number of homicides of under-25s for more than two decades. Figures this year show a 50 per cent reduction on last year’s 22-year low and the lowest number of teenage homicides since 2012 .
The latest figures also show there were 1,154 fewer knife crime offences in the 12 months to August 2025 in London - a seven per cent drop3. And a 10 per cent reduction in hospital admissions of under-25s for knife assaults in London in the 12 months to June 2025.
As some politicians and commentators continue to talk London down, the facts continue to show the reality when it comes to the progress being made on crime in the capital. Violent crime leading to injury has fallen in all 32 London boroughs over the last 12 months.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics show Londoners are, on average, less likely to be a victim of a violence with injury offence than across the rest of England and Wales. London’s overall homicide rate is lower than international cities, including Paris, Brussels, Berlin and Madrid.
i don’t have a ball in this game.
I just looked up ‘London crime’ as I was interested in absolute numbers rather than crime rates.
ive quoted wiki. I didn’t choose the cut off date. You’ve then chosen some cut off dates. Including a bizarrely pointless 9 month period. Im not sure London gov don’t slant statistics in their favour. But many people will lap up their version of statistical interpretation.
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There’s some arrogant pricks on this forum
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The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.0
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Austerity.93Addick said:The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.
And the key point still much lower than when most on here "grew up" in London. And of course the reports state much less crime goes unreported now than then, certainly for violent and serious crime.
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I’m sure someone that understands data will be able to answer.93Addick said:The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.1 - Sponsored links:
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I know you're trying to bait me but it's very possible to be statistically true. Because it is. Falling massively from a high starting point 30 years ago begins rising again from the pandemic and a 31% (not 31 percentage point) rise of a much smaller number and it still remains massively lower than 30 years ago. And of course that's before taking into account the 2.5m population growth in London in that time so per head crime even more down.SporadicAddick said:
I’m sure someone that understands statistics will be able to answer.93Addick said:The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.
Series of actual peer reviewed research papers published in journals below, some on slightly tangential subjects but they still have at least a chapter on past trends or on London specifically.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-07/LSE%20-%20MOPAC%20Cost%20of%20Living%20Research%202.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVlILbt62QAxU4X0EAHQLQDUU4ChAWegQIOhAB&usg=AOvVaw3of114tid4OJ_-JLtRZfZ9
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/12/6/340
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235216300198
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e5f912fe90e077e3477e49a/trends-and-drivers-of-homicide-main-findings-horr113.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiQ4Mibt62QAxUKa0EAHZE6K7IQFnoFCIQBEAE&usg=AOvVaw0h1rv40RAAR9wD7NxPdl1d
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.crim.cam.ac.uk/system/files/documents/jackson-m.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiQ4Mibt62QAxUKa0EAHZE6K7IQFnoECG4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0FVGyLLs3iSnsLyDDIxzCa
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/evidenceforlondon_final_v1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiQ4Mibt62QAxUKa0EAHZE6K7IQFnoECGsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2RvbBEOg4FTcq_bTWH-nyL
https://policinginsight.com/feature/opinion/were-safer-today-from-crime-than-we-were-30-years-ago-so-why-dont-people-feel-it/4 -
Khan come in around that time didn’t he
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.cantersaddick said:
So when the data doesn’t support the narrative, it’s a political consequence (catch all “austerity”) and the way the data is collected…
Austerity.93Addick said:The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.
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But the data does back it up. 30% fall from large number is bigger than a 30% rise on small number. Can't believe I'm explaining that.SporadicAddick said:.cantersaddick said:
So when the data doesn’t support the narrative, it’s a political consequence (catch all “austerity”) and the way the data is collected…
Austerity.93Addick said:The facts show crime has gone down over 20-30, but the pattern is interesting when the last ten years have seen rises in crime (by 31%) and violent crime (by 40%) as per below article.What’s the story beyond the data for the big drop and rise again.
And the key point still much lower than when most on here "grew up" in London. And of course the reports state much less crime goes unreported now than then, certainly for violent and serious crime.
E.g. 30% fall from 500 is 350. A 30% rise from 350 is 455.
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No one has denied there has been a recent spike in crime since the pandemic. But what people are arguing is that despite wall to wall coverage creating a certain perception, it's actually not as bad as it is being made out and certainly a lot better than when a lot of us grew up in London.4
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“According to the Office for National Statistics, many crimes recorded against people increased between the years ending June 2015 and March 2025, including violence against the person (40%), possession of offensive weapons (23%), sexual offences (75%) and theft from the person (207%)”.
If the population of London hasn’t increased by more than the increase in each stat referenced, then incidents of that specific crime has increased?0 -
Steady downward trend, recent increase post pandemic/cost of living crisis. Still not near previous levels.
Top graph a bit old but to put recent peak in context of just how high the 90s peak was.
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Again you're talking about the recent peak which as I said above no one is arguing that its happened. Just some are trying to put it in the context of a previous peak when in fact most people on here were happy to live in London and there wasnt anything like the negative perception there is now.SporadicAddick said:“According to the Office for National Statistics, many crimes recorded against people increased between the years ending June 2015 and March 2025, including violence against the person (40%), possession of offensive weapons (23%), sexual offences (75%) and theft from the person (207%)”.
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Oh dear, we've segued into another iteration of the "London's a shithole" conversation with a side order of "it's all Sadiq Khan's fault". Time to get back to the football I think.3
Steady downward trend, recent increase post pandemic/cost of living crisis. Still not near previous levels.
