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Jonjo Shelvey in Dubai
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Just like Jojo’s penalty takingSantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1nz13dk/arabian_falcons_vs_alfath_jonjo_shelvey_penalty/
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Think it is more UK rather than England ( he doesn’t want to live in) though England is normally the central focus in these type of news articles isn’t it 🤷🏼♂️0
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His watches are likely worth tens of thousands and his smart phone is likely worth a couple of grand, so not a sensible comparison.jose said:His comments about London are about not wearing a watch, and getting a phone out in public.
I do both personally.
There is also reference to rich people getting robbed, which has always happened in London.
I think what has changed is his age, not London.
Good luck to him, but justifying a soulless MacDonalds of a resort as a good place to be because it isn’t London strikes me as desperation or the paranoia of a wealthy person.
London or Dubai?
No brainer for me, but then again it is my home town, and there is no Valley to go to of a Saturday in Dubai.5 -
Shelvey is spot on re recent changes, and the blinkers on this forum from the same old posters (even with different names) are truly embedded.
Oh well, it was ever thus.
Great player, glad that he played for us…10 -
The legal system in the United Arab Emirates is based on civil law and Sharia law in the personal status matters of Muslims and blood money compensation. Personal status matters of non-Muslims are based on civil law.Rothko said:If wants to live in a soulless Sharia law state, then good for him, I'll stay close to a vibrant, interesting city like London1 -
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.1 -
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I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.17 -
We've had company wide emails and signage up in the office warning about theft in London as numerous colleagues have had their company phones and laptops pinched.0
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And that he has spent much of the time in the North East. I remember, during the Brexit debate, people in Newcastle being interviewed about immigrants and there being too many. The interviewer asked if there were too many in North East and replies were not here but in London, where most had never visited or knew. Jonjonat least has relatives still in London.jose said:His comments about London re about not wearing a watch, and getting a phone out in public.
I do both personally.
There is also reference to rich people getting robbed, which has always happened in London.
I think what has changed is his age, not London.
Good luck to him, but justifying a soulless MacDonalds of a resort as a good place to be because it isn’t London strikes me as desperation or the paranoia of a wealthy person.
London or Dubai?
No brainer for me, but then again it is my home town, and there is no Valley to go to of a Saturday in Dubai.
I can understand Jonjo loving North East but London is great too.1 -
London and the UK are of course not perfect, but I'd counter withChris_from_Sidcup said:
Aside from the obvious tax-free earnings:cantersaddick said:Obviously there is the tax factor. But of all the wonderful, beautiful places in the world you could move to (or go on holiday to) I just cannot get my head around Dubai.
Soulless, artificial, bunch of high rises built from the desert, they have to create fake rain to maintain life there, everything is just extravagance and excess. Gotta be at least 100 places I'd consider moving to before Dubai
Safety
Education for kids
Weather
Cleanliness
Healthcare
Job opportunities
Countless great restaurants
Beaches
General standard of living
It's obviously not a place for everyone and it's easy to dismiss it as soulless but there's many plus points as mentioned above. It's a very vibrant city that prioritises success and well-being, and things like fitness and wellness are massive here, which i see as a good thing.
And yes there's a lot of rich people here but it's definitely not all extravagance and excess, the vast majority of expats live a perfectly normal day to day life here. We don't all drive around in Ferrari's and party at beach clubs every day.
It's like someone from Dubai generalising against living in London because of street crime, gangs and the threat of getting stabbed walking home after dark. Yes it happens, but it's not applicable to everyone, everywhere in London.
Democracy
"Individualism"
History
Culture
Pubs
Music
Countryside - woodland, rolling fields, rivers
Sport, and I don't just mean the big events that the Middle Eastern countries like to host, but sport at all levels, and the support that follows it.
The UAE's weather is far too hot in summer too.7 -
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.2 -
There is genuine poverty in Dubai amongst the migrant workers, mainly from South Asian countries.PrincessFiona said:
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.4 -
Most of us on here have affection for London, how many of us live there though. For workong people and I mean people like the vast majority of us cannot afford to live there unless good fortune has favoured them to inherit a London home. So the place now feels transient.
Whatever Jonjo, he's playing football which I'm sure is about the best job there is full stop. His family will have a good life there I don't think he is saying anything too controversial about wanting his family to feel safe. All well and good saying how exciting London is, and it is. Its another someone who grew up where he did having the courage of conviction to actually do something and make a move as opposed to just moaning.
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yes I know. I've been there a lot, mostly when I was working in Pakistan for 2 yearskillerandflash said:
There is genuine poverty in Dubai amongst the migrant workers, mainly from South Asian countries.PrincessFiona said:
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.
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Population of London is over 8.8 million (1) with a mix of social housing, rental properties, mortgaged homes and owned homes. So hardly a transient population.Carter said:Most of us on here have affection for London, how many of us live there though. For workong people and I mean people like the vast majority of us cannot afford to live there unless good fortune has favoured them to inherit a London home. So the place now feels transient.
Whatever Jonjo, he's playing football which I'm sure is about the best job there is full stop. His family will have a good life there I don't think he is saying anything too controversial about wanting his family to feel safe. All well and good saying how exciting London is, and it is. Its another someone who grew up where he did having the courage of conviction to actually do something and make a move as opposed to just moaning.
(1) Source: "Population and household estimates, England and Wales: Census 2021 - Office for National Statistics". www.ons.gov.uk. Retrieved 18 July 2022.
Latest figures estimate in 2025 population is 9.09 million
Jonjo moving out of London is nothing to do with his convictions, but to do with being offered a job in another part of the country that afforded him the income, position, opportunity and status that met his needs. If he had been offered the same by an equivalent London club he would have done the same, as happened to me when I left London for Hull for work before returning 10 years later via Birmingham.6 -
Bit of a false argument though as there will always be relative poverty but you can look at how much of it there is, how relative it is (how far people are from the median) and who it affects. All of which have got massively worse in the last 15 years. All the supplementary research shows the most vulnerable people struggling e.g. massive increase in children reporting going to school hungry due to missing meals, or wearing coats inside due to being unable to afford heating.PrincessFiona said:
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.
So yes poverty in the UK is relative and not like in a low income country however it is still a real problem and a massive driver of the social issues people mentioned above.2 -
His actual Uncle!HastingsRed said:
Was Uncle Jonjo or a mate of his?NorthStandUltra said:He’s bang on about London unfortunately.Also, I live in a world where Jonjo Shelvey is 33 years old, remember his debut & his rise to the first team - time flies
So much time for Jonjo, a good lad & Uncle who used to post on here is a top bloke too1 -
It is not a false argument but fact. Of course, there will always be relative poverty even if everyone doubled their income, because it is relative to the average. But often the word 'relative' or 'absolute' is missing. No it is not all relative but rarely absolute but sometimes in between. Some children going to school hungry and missing meals, and not being able to afford heating aren't necessarily in relative poverty, due to how it is calculated. This can be due something different, if still as concerning, for different reasonscantersaddick said:
Bit of a false argument though as there will always be relative poverty but you can look at how much of it there is, how relative it is (how far people are from the median) and who it affects. All of which have got massively worse in the last 15 years. All the supplementary research shows the most vulnerable people struggling e.g. massive increase in children reporting going to school hungry due to missing meals, or wearing coats inside due to being unable to afford heating.PrincessFiona said:
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.
So yes poverty in the UK is relative and not like in a low income country however it is still a real problem and a massive driver of the social issues people mentioned above.
Don't think we are able to go into this in more detail on here as straying into politics ad we're straying away from the topic of Jonjo. So I'll leave it there and not come back to the thread again.0 - Sponsored links:
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It is absolutely a false interpretation of one poverty metric. Yes there will always be relative poverty but that misses the entire point of the metric. Look at it in the round you will see - the median its judged against has barely moved in 15 years, but more people are now considered in poverty relative to that, those people are further from the median than previously and the groups disproportionately affected are the most vulnerable (children, disabled, elderly) then you know you have a problem. And when all the supplementary data and research show the effects these are having is much worse then you should be worried about this.PrincessFiona said:
It is not a false argument but fact. Of course, there will always be relative poverty even if everyone doubled their income, because it is relative to the average. But often the word 'relative' or 'absolute' is missing. No it is not all relative but rarely absolute but sometimes in between. Some children going to school hungry and missing meals, and not being able to afford heating aren't necessarily in relative poverty, due to how it is calculated. This can be due something different, if still as concerning, for different reasonscantersaddick said:
Bit of a false argument though as there will always be relative poverty but you can look at how much of it there is, how relative it is (how far people are from the median) and who it affects. All of which have got massively worse in the last 15 years. All the supplementary research shows the most vulnerable people struggling e.g. massive increase in children reporting going to school hungry due to missing meals, or wearing coats inside due to being unable to afford heating.PrincessFiona said:
There is also a huge difference between absolute and relative poverty. Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society. There is a lot of talk of poverty when it is relative not absolute - the 2 are very different and need to be treated very differentlycantersaddick said:
I am not saying there aren't problems in London and there are challenges it (and the rest of the UK) will face will face in coming years, without real progress poverty and inequality will get much much worse and exacerbate a lot of existing problems. I am hopeful for real positive change in time even if we have to wait for the extinction burst to burn itself out first.SantaClaus said:
To be honest I have misgivings about both places but particularly London. I think the writings on the wall for the British welfare state and that's going to play out badly in an eye wateringly expensive city like London in which many people are already barely managing.cantersaddick said:
Genuinely not sure but also interested what you mean. Are you saying the views about London will be proved right/wrong or Dubai?SantaClaus said:This is going to be an interesting thread to look back on in a few years time. I suspect some of the views being expressed aren't going to age very well.
But I feel the anti London rhetoric is fuelled by negative news cycles that sell 24 hour news, supported largely by people who don't live there. We should still celebrate everything that is good about London whilst also working to improve its problems.
London is an amazing vibrant city if perhaps a little too fast paced, there are amazing social, art, music and comedy scenes amazing pubs, great culture, wonderful historic buildings, football clubs, cricket and other sports and so much more. And of course its wonderful people (again yes there are a minority who commit crimes and have other poverty related issues) but for the most part London is full of great people from every walk of life, the most diverse city in the world. I have a friend who lives in a basement flat in Notting Hill and less than 100m away is a house owned by Robbie Williams, nowhere else in the world do you get the two lives mixing so close. I have close friends from India, NZ, Aus, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Portugal, Latvia, Chile, Curacao. No where else do you get that incredible mix. I lived in Geneva for 6 months which has a pretty large foreign born workforce but even there it wasn't like that and very European centric. Its such a strength and brings such brilliant music, culture, food etc.
So yes poverty in the UK is relative and not like in a low income country however it is still a real problem and a massive driver of the social issues people mentioned above.
Feels rather like you are trying to minimise the problem and write off an established international measure purely because of the word relative. Its an argument that was relevant in the UK in 2005ish when the median was rising, the number of people in poverty relative to the median was falling and they were all fairly close to the threshold. Now its just such a conflation the distribution has massively spread.
And actually to go back to your previous point that "Relative poverty will also exist by its very definition, even in a communist society." that's absolutely false. Its not that the bottom X% of people on the income distribution are considered in poverty. Its the count of the number of people whose household income is a less than half of the median. So theoretically in a communist society its very possible (or even likely) that no one would be earning less than half of the median. The entire point would be to close the distribution. It is mathematically possible (though I accept not practical) to have zero relative poverty in the UK.0 -
Why can't we just reopen the politics forum ffs
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Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric15
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Yeah sure they have...charlton_hero said:We've had company wide emails and signage up in the office warning about theft in London as numerous colleagues have had their company phones and laptops pinched.1 -
This isn't even politics just basic understanding of stats and how a distribution works.Leuth said:Why can't we just reopen the politics forum ffs
I honestly think that iff we could improved data literacy by even 10% in this country we wouldn't see anything like the political division we see.
If I didn’t already have enough voluntary stuff and side projects going on I would definitely start a social media account explaining stats and stats processes in real world examples and debunking myths like this one.4 -
Summed it up perfectly for me. 👏🏻YannTheMann said:Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric1 -
I don't disagree with any of that, and of course we all know the UK has its good points. I didn't even mean my list as 'Dubai is better' as what's good for one person might not be good for another, so it's all subjective. I just listed some positives to counter against the usual 'oh it's soulless, i'd never move there' comments, which typically tend to come from people who've never even spent much time here.killerandflash said:
London and the UK are of course not perfect, but I'd counter withChris_from_Sidcup said:
Aside from the obvious tax-free earnings:cantersaddick said:Obviously there is the tax factor. But of all the wonderful, beautiful places in the world you could move to (or go on holiday to) I just cannot get my head around Dubai.
Soulless, artificial, bunch of high rises built from the desert, they have to create fake rain to maintain life there, everything is just extravagance and excess. Gotta be at least 100 places I'd consider moving to before Dubai
Safety
Education for kids
Weather
Cleanliness
Healthcare
Job opportunities
Countless great restaurants
Beaches
General standard of living
It's obviously not a place for everyone and it's easy to dismiss it as soulless but there's many plus points as mentioned above. It's a very vibrant city that prioritises success and well-being, and things like fitness and wellness are massive here, which i see as a good thing.
And yes there's a lot of rich people here but it's definitely not all extravagance and excess, the vast majority of expats live a perfectly normal day to day life here. We don't all drive around in Ferrari's and party at beach clubs every day.
It's like someone from Dubai generalising against living in London because of street crime, gangs and the threat of getting stabbed walking home after dark. Yes it happens, but it's not applicable to everyone, everywhere in London.
Democracy
"Individualism"
History
Culture
Pubs
Music
Countryside - woodland, rolling fields, rivers
Sport, and I don't just mean the big events that the Middle Eastern countries like to host, but sport at all levels, and the support that follows it.
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Reading his comments it comes across as he isn't really that interested in politics, but doesn't want to constantly be around it being played out on the streets around him. I see where he's coming from.YannTheMann said:Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric
Reads to me that he just thought "sod this, I've had enough".
And bloody good luck to him too. Many wish they could do the same, whether it was Dubai or anywhere else. He's a 33 year old lad, still with a lot of life to live and no doubt the money to make it enjoyable on his terms.
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That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.YannTheMann said:Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric1 -
"I'm not going to sit here and comment on things like that because I'm not clever enough to"
Most appropriate sentence of the whole piece.3
