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Jonjo Shelvey in Dubai

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,072
    edited October 16
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    killerandflash said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Obviously there is the tax factor. But of all the wonderful, beautiful places in the world you could move to (or go on holiday to) I just cannot get my head around Dubai. 

    Soulless, artificial, bunch of high rises built from the desert, they have to create fake rain to maintain life there, everything is just extravagance and excess. Gotta be at least 100 places I'd consider moving to before Dubai
    Aside from the obvious tax-free earnings:

    Safety
    Education for kids
    Weather
    Cleanliness
    Healthcare
    Job opportunities
    Countless great restaurants
    Beaches
    General standard of living

    It's obviously not a place for everyone and it's easy to dismiss it as soulless but there's many plus points as mentioned above. It's a very vibrant city that prioritises success and well-being, and things like fitness and wellness are massive here, which i see as a good thing.

    And yes there's a lot of rich people here but it's definitely not all extravagance and excess, the vast majority of expats live a perfectly normal day to day life here. We don't all drive around in Ferrari's and party at beach clubs every day.

    It's like someone from Dubai generalising against living in London because of street crime, gangs and the threat of getting stabbed walking home after dark. Yes it happens, but it's not applicable to everyone, everywhere in London.
    London and the UK are of course not perfect, but I'd counter with

    Democracy
    "Individualism"
    History
    Culture
    Pubs
    Music
    Countryside - woodland, rolling fields, rivers
    Sport, and I don't just mean the big events that the Middle Eastern countries like to host, but sport at all levels, and the support that follows it. 

    The UAE's weather is far too hot in summer too. 
    I don't disagree with any of that, and of course we all know the UK has its good points. I didn't even mean my list as 'Dubai is better' as what's good for one person might not be good for another, so it's all subjective. I just listed some positives to counter against the usual 'oh it's soulless, i'd never move there' comments, which typically tend to come from people who've never even spent much time here.
    Your original comment was replying to me so I'll come back on this. I haven't been to Dubai but I have lived abroad, I've travelled extensively and have seen a lot of the world. There is so much to love about various parts of the world but Dubai is one that just doesn't do it for me. I get its deeply personal but even the tourism adverts for Dubai just don't attract me, friends who have been there, loved it and told me about their trips put me off. Nothing I look for in a place to visit or live is central to way of life there. I accept some people love it but I just cant get my head around it.

    I standby there being 100 places I'd rather move than Dubai.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,516
    edited October 16
    ""Where I grew up, in Harold Hill, it was rough and it still is now. I used to live in a little council flat, next to the shops, and there was always trouble, people getting stabbed. One Christmas I was in the pub with my dad and I looked across and there was a bullet hole in the television. I said: 'Can we go, dad?' My dad still lives in the same place, my mum and my sister live in Brentwood, further out. My sister was pregnant and I didn't want her baby growing up in the same area, so I bought her a house.""

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/20/jonjo-shelvey-swansea-city-interview

    Hmm. The good old days eh?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,072
    SELR_addicks said:
    ""Where I grew up, in Harold Hill, it was rough and it still is now. I used to live in a little council flat, next to the shops, and there was always trouble, people getting stabbed. One Christmas I was in the pub with my dad and I looked across and there was a bullet hole in the television. I said: 'Can we go, dad?' My dad still lives in the same place, my mum and my sister live in Brentwood, further out. My sister was pregnant and I didn't want her baby growing up in the same area, so I bought her a house.""

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/20/jonjo-shelvey-swansea-city-interview

    Hmm. The good old days eh?
    I read Factfulness recently (link below only £3.50) and its great for this stuff. Debunking myths about the "good old days". Points out things like crime in London is lower than 20/30 years ago and violent crime massively down. 24hr news cycles and negative news sells, politicians hone in on it and suddenly you have an accepted narrative based purely on a myth.

     https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/factfulness-book-hans-rosling-9781473637498?sku=GOR010148908&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19891791290&gbraid=0AAAAADZzAIBkVMhld2TWjqMoeSxpjktw1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt5Si45CpkAMVAJhQBh1k1RbGEAQYASABEgKaNfD_BwE
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,744
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,072
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
  • 93Addick
    93Addick Posts: 138
    Jonjo will have millions in the bank and being a young dad with the finances to buy high end watches, he will probably be more aware/connected to the story of Blue Stevens, the young dad murdered for his watch in Knightsbridge, compared to the more common story of commuters who work and move about the city in safe times of the day in an office/commuter environment. 
    Besides, he clarifies he’s not well educated on the matter and he’s right that his family will be safer in Dubai.

    Some people might be more risk tolerant in their lives, but other people’s safety appetites are won’t be, dismissing them will not change that. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,368
    Got to feel for the poor sods who couldn't receive the warning email about thefts because their laptops and phones had already been nicked. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    I wish him and his family all the very best
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,416
    Funny, I am sure he went to Turkey...


  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,353
    cantersaddick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
    Can only speak as find.  Lived in a outer London Borough all my life.  Always enjoyed going into town for all the different things you can do.

    Recently started a job just off Oxford Street (previously worked in London in either the City or Docklands).  A truly eye opening experience, awful place it has become and it appears no one cares enough in power to do anything about it.  The Wild West is IMO a very accurate description of that part of town.

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  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,285
    JohnnyH2 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
    Can only speak as find.  Lived in a outer London Borough all my life.  Always enjoyed going into town for all the different things you can do.

    Recently started a job just off Oxford Street (previously worked in London in either the City or Docklands).  A truly eye opening experience, awful place it has become and it appears no one cares enough in power to do anything about it.  The Wild West is IMO a very accurate description of that part of town.
    What I will say is whilst this absolutely does not make the lack of response or the theft acceptable. Some people don't know what's good for them or how to help themselves (not talking about you) how often up town do you see someone walking along with a decent looking handbag draped over a shoulder and their phone open held in front who may as well be a beacon to these shitheads. London has always been spicy, maybe not Bond street or Oxford Street and you have to take sensible precautions around not making yourself a target regardless of how bad its got
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,744
    JohnnyH2 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
    Can only speak as find.  Lived in a outer London Borough all my life.  Always enjoyed going into town for all the different things you can do.

    Recently started a job just off Oxford Street (previously worked in London in either the City or Docklands).  A truly eye opening experience, awful place it has become and it appears no one cares enough in power to do anything about it.  The Wild West is IMO a very accurate description of that part of town.
    You can't reason with some people mate. If you are up the tottenham court road end you would have seen this which will stop the balaclava little sweethearts from robbing anyone up.

  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,917
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
    Can only speak as find.  Lived in a outer London Borough all my life.  Always enjoyed going into town for all the different things you can do.

    Recently started a job just off Oxford Street (previously worked in London in either the City or Docklands).  A truly eye opening experience, awful place it has become and it appears no one cares enough in power to do anything about it.  The Wild West is IMO a very accurate description of that part of town.
    You can't reason with some people mate. If you are up the tottenham court road end you would have seen this which will stop the balaclava little sweethearts from robbing anyone up.


    Personally would prefer to see a policeman with a taser and hefty baton standing on each corner.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,128
    People could just not walk around looking at their phones. Far harder to take it from your pocket.

    Regarding Dubai and education, how many people do you know who stay out there when their baby reaches school age? Likewise if they get seriously ill? 


  • Greenhithe
    Greenhithe Posts: 813
    In the 80s and 90s I got a glass in the face. Then my tooth knocked out. 4 mates got stabbed. One lost an ear. One lost an eye. Another mate got his arm shot off with a sawn off. London was basically still recovering from the war infrastructure wise and most of it was a shit tip. I still loved it though. 

    If nowadays in this beautiful city all people are worried about is the theft of a dog shit baby’s dummy of a phone people can’t live without it’s massively better surely. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,135
    Greenhithe said:
    In the 80s and 90s I got a glass in the face. Then my tooth knocked out. 4 mates got stabbed. One lost an ear. One lost an eye. Another mate got his arm shot off with a sawn off. London was basically still recovering from the war infrastructure wise and most of it was a shit tip. I still loved it though. 

    If nowadays in this beautiful city all people are worried about is the theft of a dog shit baby’s dummy of a phone people can’t live without it’s massively better surely. 
    Fuck me, who did you hang about with when you were younger, Turkish and Brick Top?
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,917
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    People could just not walk around looking at their phones. Far harder to take it from your pocket.

    Regarding Dubai and education, how many people do you know who stay out there when their baby reaches school age? Likewise if they get seriously ill? 


    On your first point, why shouldn't they? 

    On your second point, plenty...


  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,744
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    People could just not walk around looking at their phones. Far harder to take it from your pocket.

    Regarding Dubai and education, how many people do you know who stay out there when their baby reaches school age? Likewise if they get seriously ill? 


    Classic victim blaming 👍 when it nearly happened to me on kensington high street. I was walking from one place to another about 100 yards and had my phone out for about 20 seconds to message the Mrs. I'll remember your advice next time.
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,045
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    That's not true to be fair... had 2 mates have their phone nicked and a mate his watch this year in the city. Not a big fan of Dubai at all, but London is most definitely going down hill.
    That can't be true as someone on this forum wears a watch in London and gets their phone out.
    No one is denying the phone snatching happens. but the portrayal of London as some kind of wild west is very much inaccurate and should be challenged.
    Can only speak as find.  Lived in a outer London Borough all my life.  Always enjoyed going into town for all the different things you can do.

    Recently started a job just off Oxford Street (previously worked in London in either the City or Docklands).  A truly eye opening experience, awful place it has become and it appears no one cares enough in power to do anything about it.  The Wild West is IMO a very accurate description of that part of town.
    You can't reason with some people mate. If you are up the tottenham court road end you would have seen this which will stop the balaclava little sweethearts from robbing anyone up.

    Go to TCR 4 days a week and thankfully have managed to avoid these plague of phone snatchers by using common sense and looking around me, revolutionary concept I know maybe one of these days it'll catch on 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,328
    edited October 17
    YannTheMann said:
    Lame comment from Jonjo considering he conceded him and his family live in the North East, so he's essentially doing as the flag shaggers do and regurgitating bollocks he's seen on the internet as opposed to lived experiences, same for the posters on his nodding along like a Churchill insurance dog. Those of us who live and work in the city don't share these experiences or we'd be long gone by now, what a boring, untruthful rhetoric 
    Incredible take.

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  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,128
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 9,004
    I can only think those people who believe London is a safe environment can’t go up there much. 
  • jose
    jose Posts: 719
    People should be able to wear their Rolexes, carry Mulberry handbags, and have their fancy telephones out anywhere without fear. That is a given.
    If the answer to the fear is more law enforcement then OK. The police, the legal system, prisons, the Education Service for prevention, cameras, street lighting, accident and emergency provision all have to be paid for.
    That means taxation of some kind, and given the state of public services at the moment it means we who can afford it all pay in more.
    London is not a special case with regard to buying more resources for the greater good.
    I know nothing about the tax system in Dubai, maybe free oil from out of the ground pays for everything.
  • Lurker
    Lurker Posts: 408
    Plaaayer said:
    I can only think those people who believe London is a safe environment can’t go up there much. 
    I think it's the opposite to be honest.  My wife's from a small town and when we visit, they're full of stores they've read in the paper / Facebook and they seem to think we're living in a war zone.

    Funnily enough when on holiday we met someone from my wife's part of the world who had left years ago, now living abroad and hasn't gone back since.  She was under the impression that it's now been taken over by a certain demographic of people which I can say for certain it hasn't been - It's one of the least diverse places I've seen.

    It's all perceptions and many people these days get their perceptions from social media, negative news generates clicks.
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,045
    Plaaayer said:
    I can only think those people who believe London is a safe environment can’t go up there much. 
    Don't go up there much tells me everything about the vicinity in which you live to London. I live, work and play in the city and largely people don't even look at each other let alone the mass attackings/muggings I'm led to believe are going down on here, not trying to diminish and say these awful crimes don't happen, just not with the regularity that people who objectively don't live or come here often seem to think 
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 9,004
    You know London isn't just restricted to the City right? 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,830
    edited October 17
    Plaaayer said:
    You know London isn't just restricted to the City right? 
    My experiences going into Whitechapel, Stratford, Shepherd's Bush, Paddington, Charlton, Woolwich etc have been ones where I've left with my phone, my watch, and not been on edge at all, despite the idea that I'm going to experience something, that's only beaten by downtown Gaza. 
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,045
    Which suburb is that is particularly unsafe then and a cause for concern? 
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 9,004
    Rothko said:
    Plaaayer said:
    You know London isn't just restricted to the City right? 
    My experiences going into Whitechapel, Stratford, Shepherd's Bush, Paddington, Charlton, Woolwich etc have been ones where I've left with my phone, my watch, and not been on edge at all that I'm going to experience that is supposed to be one, that's only beaten by downtown Gaza. 
    No ones nicking your Casio and 8210 mate
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,830
    Plaaayer said:
    Rothko said:
    Plaaayer said:
    You know London isn't just restricted to the City right? 
    My experiences going into Whitechapel, Stratford, Shepherd's Bush, Paddington, Charlton, Woolwich etc have been ones where I've left with my phone, my watch, and not been on edge at all that I'm going to experience that is supposed to be one, that's only beaten by downtown Gaza. 
    No ones nicking your Casio and 8210 mate
    Maybe someone for their second hand store in Hoxton, but no, my iPhone and Apple Watch Ultra stayed safely with me. Cause a lot of this stuff about London, is frankly bollocks
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