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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,753
    edited October 17
    The fact is London has always been a dangerous place dating back hundreds of years , if you are not sensible and streetwise . Can you imagine what parts of it was like in the 19th century ! , but for me it’s still the greatest city in the world. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months. 

    Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,666
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,945
    Bedsaddick said:
    The fact is London has always been a dangerous place dating back hundreds of years if you are not sensible and streetwise , can you imagine what parts of it was like in the 19th century ! , but for me it’s still the greatest city in the world. 
    This. I live in London. Work centrally and am out and about after dark at least once in the week and once at the weekend with various groups of friends. Yes if a female friend is walking back alone we will make sure someone goes with her but that's a precaution I'd take anywhere in the UK or the world. I know of maybe 2 people who have had their phones stolen. I've seen people on bike who I'm pretty sure are scouting for phones to nick but if you put your head up once every 10 to 15 seconds you'll clock them and they'll avoid you.

    So yes some sensible precautions based on being in a city. But the narrative about London is wrong based on hugely overexaggerated 24 hours news cycles. The stats just don't back it up. London is so much safer than 20/30 years ago.

    Could it be safer? Absolutely. And we should keep working towards making our city better and tacking the underlying structural issues causing the problems. 
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,103
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    edited October 17
    cantersaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    The fact is London has always been a dangerous place dating back hundreds of years if you are not sensible and streetwise , can you imagine what parts of it was like in the 19th century ! , but for me it’s still the greatest city in the world. 
    This. I live in London. Work centrally and am out and about after dark at least once in the week and once at the weekend with various groups of friends. Yes if a female friend is walking back alone we will make sure someone goes with her but that's a precaution I'd take anywhere in the UK or the world. I know of maybe 2 people who have had their phones stolen. I've seen people on bike who I'm pretty sure are scouting for phones to nick but if you put your head up once every 10 to 15 seconds you'll clock them and they'll avoid you.

    So yes some sensible precautions based on being in a city. But the narrative about London is wrong based on hugely overexaggerated 24 hours news cycles. The stats just don't back it up. London is so much safer than 20/30 years ago.

    Could it be safer? Absolutely. And we should keep working towards making our city better and tacking the underlying structural issues causing the problems. 
    The ones making these egregious claims certainly don't live in London and if they do clearly never leave their house. Must be a sad existence to those who shut all the curtains and lock the doors and keep yourself in fear because you can't stop believing nonsense on Facebook 
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,666
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,753
    edited October 17
    shirty5 said:
    The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months. 

    Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
    We can all find stories like this especially with today’s bombardment of social media and press outlets which clearly have an agenda . ( I’m not actually including the BBC in that ) but the facts are that London is as safe as it’s ever been . At least we don’t hear of Garotting any more …
     
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,344
    Bedsaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months. 

    Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
    We can all find stories like this especially with today’s bombardment of social media and press outlets which clearly have an agenda . ( I’m not actually including the BBC in that ) but the facts are that London is as safe as it’s ever been . At least we don’t hear of Garotting any more …
     
    So if you are not including the BBC in having agenda what is your issue with their report?
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    edited October 17
    Bedsaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months. 

    Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
    We can all find stories like this especially with today’s bombardment of social media and press outlets which clearly have an agenda . ( I’m not actually including the BBC in that ) but the facts are that London is as safe as it’s ever been . At least we don’t hear of Garotting any more …
     
    Do you really believe this? A quick look online will show you that you are factually incorrect. 
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  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,367
    Grass is always greener elsewhere for some, (except for Dubai where its typically more sandy), always has been. 
    Good luck to anyone who wants to have a change or a better life away from this country if they can. I know and have known quite few family and friends who have moved to various parts of the world. Some have made a better life for themselves some have returned a few years later. I think, without exception, all of them have had better lives for the experience of doing something out of the norm even if thing didn't pan out the way they thought it should of.
    I've always been very content with my life here in the UK and the standard of living the I have here. I don't agree with the words Jonjo has been attributed with but we are all entitled to an opinion even if its wrong. I don't live in fear of crime and I don't know anyone who has been arrested for Tweeting. I don't really worry about my safety while walk through London, although I did once have my phone snatched but I got it back immediately. I just put that down to an opportunist crime and could happen the world over. 

  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,753
    edited October 17
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    shirty5 said:
    The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months. 

    Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
    We can all find stories like this especially with today’s bombardment of social media and press outlets which clearly have an agenda . ( I’m not actually including the BBC in that ) but the facts are that London is as safe as it’s ever been . At least we don’t hear of Garotting any more …
     
    So if you are not including the BBC in having agenda what is your issue with their report?
    Where did say I had an issue with the report ? 
    I said we can all find stories like this hence the posting of the news from Victorian times indicating that London has always been a dangerous place ( as are most metropolitan cities) if you aren’t streetwise .
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,727
    You've got to pick a pocket or two 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    Just read the article - each to their own and not 100% sure where he grew up but suspect East London? All i can say is, i've brought my kids up in Sidcup and couldn't think of a better place to do so. Easy going area, good schools, pubs/ social clubs, on the doorstep of central london which has as much if not more going on, including career opportunities than most cities in the world. I've lived in Eltham, New Eltham and Sidcup and worked in central London all my adult life. Never had anything nicked or had any bother, ever. I appreciate not all places in London are as easy going but i genuinely wonder whether the media paint a far worse picture than the reality. He's not gonna have to live on a run down inner city estate and if you don't walk around with a blinged up phone and watch in the wrong places, you'll be fine. Do that anywhere in the world, you're asking for trouble in some paces.      
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    edited October 17
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  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,103
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,331
    I feel like this thread would be much more illuminating if people revealed where they actually live. Sent from the mean streets of Sydenham, where I am texting and walking with headphones blaring like some sort of crazy risk-taker
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,666
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
    You weren't getting one 🫡

    By the way. What's your views on nice watches? 'People could just not walk around wearing nice watches'
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
    You weren't getting one 🫡

    By the way. What's your views on nice watches? 'People could just not walk around wearing nice watches'
    You definitely should apologise for both your gross assumption about victim blaming people who have been sexually assaulted and then apologise again for even making that statement (in which you referred to women as 'females'). Phone/watch theft are objectively not comparable to sexual assault, one is about property the other is about a violent violation of personal space, a phone can be replaced, sexual assault leaves people with massive, often life long trauma, to try and trivialise this and make a point around unobservant people of all demographics is pretty low. But you're definitely not the type to accept you could be wrong, let alone apologise. 
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,658
    '(in which you referred to women as 'females').'

    Bit of a weird tangent.
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  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,230
    Are you not supposed to refer to women as females? 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    edited October 17
    Bedsaddick said:
    The fact is London has always been a dangerous place dating back hundreds of years , if you are not sensible and streetwise . Can you imagine what parts of it was like in the 19th century ! , but for me it’s still the greatest city in the world. 
    Agree with this. I always say I'm glad I was brought up in London and went to football all my life from a young age. Right now you may have read how Milan is supposedly attracting rich people away from London. Milan, FFS. I had to change trains there twice in the last two weeks. Both times as the train approached, a multi-lingual announcement was made warning people to beware of pickpockets on the station. No news to me, and I'd already mapped out exactly where I needed to go, so as not to stop in the middle of the chaotic concourse to consult my phone (as a lot of people were doing). I did the same at St Pancras last year, for the same reason. But I would have been equally wary in St Pancras or Kings Cross 20 years ago. The difference last year was that I was staying in a hotel in  the area too, and it felt perfectly safe, whereas 20 years ago that wasn't an area to hang around in at night. But all that said, I don't live there permanently now of course, and I am sure there are new dangers and danger zones. I think that's just how big cities develop and change, though.

    As for the whole expat thing and JonJo's views on Dubai. He will face one thing. An "expat" by definition will one day be a "repat". He or she eventually expects to come home; or become an expat somewhere else. I stopped calling myself an "expat" in Prague, round about the time I got married in 1997 and let my house in London out. Although I didn't work hard enough on the language I was slowly integrating. Now I'm a Czech citizen and Prague is home, though London remains where I "come from" when people ask. I just don't think that easily happens in somewhere like Dubai. With whom do you "integrate" in Dubai? Other expats? No. Some may become your friends (one of my best mates now is a Swedish guy I met as a client in 1996) but most of them will eventually leave - as he did. Because they are "expats". I doubt JonJo will stay more than the 2-3 years he might stay playing his footie there. But good luck to him, always loved him.  


  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    It's not a weird tangent when it highlights that the point was nothing to do with victim blaming and minimises how devastating sexual assault is, was also a huge and gross assumption to make of someone. And yes fellas, unless you're referring to biological characteristics it generally is a good idea to refer to women as, well women. Some further reading here, which I found from googling for a whole 2 seconds https://thisvsthat.io/female-vs-woman
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,666
    YannTheMann said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
    You weren't getting one 🫡

    By the way. What's your views on nice watches? 'People could just not walk around wearing nice watches'
    You definitely should apologise for both your gross assumption about victim blaming people who have been sexually assaulted and then apologise again for even making that statement (in which you referred to women as 'females'). Phone/watch theft are objectively not comparable to sexual assault, one is about property the other is about a violent violation of personal space, a phone can be replaced, sexual assault leaves people with massive, often life long trauma, to try and trivialise this and make a point around unobservant people of all demographics is pretty low. But you're definitely not the type to accept you could be wrong, let alone apologise. 
    I stopped reading at your women as females quote and realised you can't be taken seriously 😂
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    YannTheMann said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
    You weren't getting one 🫡

    By the way. What's your views on nice watches? 'People could just not walk around wearing nice watches'
    You definitely should apologise for both your gross assumption about victim blaming people who have been sexually assaulted and then apologise again for even making that statement (in which you referred to women as 'females'). Phone/watch theft are objectively not comparable to sexual assault, one is about property the other is about a violent violation of personal space, a phone can be replaced, sexual assault leaves people with massive, often life long trauma, to try and trivialise this and make a point around unobservant people of all demographics is pretty low. But you're definitely not the type to accept you could be wrong, let alone apologise. 
    I stopped reading at your women as females quote and realised you can't be taken seriously 😂
    Isnt that backtracking? At least I've still got my phone eh? And I took mine out for a longer than 20 seconds!!!
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,230
    YannTheMann said:
    It's not a weird tangent when it highlights that the point was nothing to do with victim blaming and minimises how devastating sexual assault is, was also a huge and gross assumption to make of someone. And yes fellas, unless you're referring to biological characteristics it generally is a good idea to refer to women as, well women. Some further reading here, which I found from googling for a whole 2 seconds https://thisvsthat.io/female-vs-woman
    How tedious… You do realise this is a football fans forum don’t you. We don’t come on here to be lectured to as to which term we should use. 

    I don’t know how we got from Jonjo saying he doesn’t want to live here to the shite above.




  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,666
    YannTheMann said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    YannTheMann said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    You should also be able to walk down that dark alley on your own and ignore people's advice!
    I bet you would blame the female for wearing a mini skirt rather than the weird bloke trying to touch her.
    I hope that you receive the help that you need. That's not the thought process of a sane individual.

    I'm talking about being street wise, not defending sexual offenders.
    Nice bit of backtracking. 'People could just not walk around looking at their phones'

    Victim blaming.
    Met saying not to text whilst walking 

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No correlation between how a woman dresses and being a victim.

    https://www.plus.mv/english/fact-check-is-sexual-harassment-caused-by-how-women-dress/

    No need for an apology.
    You weren't getting one 🫡

    By the way. What's your views on nice watches? 'People could just not walk around wearing nice watches'
    You definitely should apologise for both your gross assumption about victim blaming people who have been sexually assaulted and then apologise again for even making that statement (in which you referred to women as 'females'). Phone/watch theft are objectively not comparable to sexual assault, one is about property the other is about a violent violation of personal space, a phone can be replaced, sexual assault leaves people with massive, often life long trauma, to try and trivialise this and make a point around unobservant people of all demographics is pretty low. But you're definitely not the type to accept you could be wrong, let alone apologise. 
    I stopped reading at your women as females quote and realised you can't be taken seriously 😂
    Isnt that backtracking? At least I've still got my phone eh? And I took mine out for a longer than 20 seconds!!!
    Careful what you wish for me old mate. Matthew Stadlen who I think you would get along with said the same thing. Still makes me laugh bless him. Women as females. You're a character 😂

  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 17
    If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,866
    edited October 17
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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    edited October 17
    LenGlover said:
    If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
    I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.
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