POST-MATCH THREAD: Queens Park Rangers v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 30th August 2025: KO 12:30pm

JohnnyH2 said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football. 

What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?

The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it. 

Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to. 

It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is. 

It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion. 

I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.

We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing. 

Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.

Passion is what happens under the duvet,  This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1

Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!

Steven81 said:

eastterrace6168 said:

"He who is not contented with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to have."
...Socrates 

Funny you should say that We could do with a Socrates in midfield aswell not the philosopher mind : )

Steven81 said:

se9addick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football. 

What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?

The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it. 

Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to. 

It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is. 

It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion. 

I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.

We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing. 

Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.

Passion is what happens under the duvet,  This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1

Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!

Think he wants the match threads shut down and just have a season review.

I offered an opinion about yesterday.

Please point out where I wanted the match threads shut down

The game pivoted on two bad refereeing decisions.

The foul on TC prior to their goal not given, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).

A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.

Gisappointed said:

The game pivoted on two bad refereeing decisions.

The foul on TC prior to their goal, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).

A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.

Disagree, end of the day QPR deserved the win, it was one of those games like last season we'd see about once a month where it just went wrong like Rotherham, Peterborough, Wrexham seems to be a habit every now and then with an NJ team. 

Ref wasn't perfect but claiming a different ref meant a different result is clutching at straws.

JohnnyH2 said:

se9addick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football. 

What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?

The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it. 

Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to. 

It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is. 

It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion. 

I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.

We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing. 

Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.

Passion is what happens under the duvet,  This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1

Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!

Of course it should be discussed here. I was just pointing out that some have gone way OTT IMO

You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs

I’m not sure people are really “slagging them off”. We’ve just lost three matches in a week and there are clearly some issues with our team, particularly in terms of scoring goals, I think people are entitled to discuss that (“negatively” or otherwise”). Being overly positive and avoiding any form of negativity is pretty immature. 

palarsehater said:

Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort. 

We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think 

3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition. 

I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.

Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling though as those are our competition ultimately. I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

palarsehater said:

Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort. 

We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think 

3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition. 

I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.

Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling those as that is our competition ultimately, I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.

Do agree but Sheffield United is very toxic, if they lose Hamer on loan (linked away at the moment), then that’s their best player gone. Get the new manager appointment wrong and they could be this seasons Luton where you look at the squad and can’t believe they are down there 

Hull, Oxford and Sheff Wed were my 3 to go down before the season. Happy that they all look like they are struggling 

Mate of mine is a Blade and he pretty much agrees with your point that at the moment they’re a basket case and are so disjointed it’s scary. He does however think it’ll eventually click which is hard to disagree with. 

se9addick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

se9addick said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football. 

What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?

The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it. 

Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to. 

It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is. 

It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion. 

I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.

We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing. 

Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.

Passion is what happens under the duvet,  This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1

Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!

Of course it should be discussed here. I was just pointing out that some have gone way OTT IMO

You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs

I’m not sure people are really “slagging them off”. We’ve just lost three matches in a week and there are clearly some issues with our team, particularly in terms of scoring goals, I think people are entitled to discuss that (“negatively” or otherwise”). Being overly positive and avoiding any form of negativity is pretty immature. 

No idea who is being overly positive and avoiding any form of negatively, is that me?

Middle ground anyone?

As others have said, it's not the time for full and absolute head loss. When 2/4 results (Watford and Bristol City) and arguably 3/4 performances (Watford, Bristol City and Leicester) are ones that I've believe are objectively good for our return to the level, I'm not going to think the sky is falling after a what I consider to be a below par performance away to QPR. The result absolutely flattered them - more than anything, it was the defending for the two goals that made me most disappointed, because we have been more resolute. It's unlikely we will play any other way under NJ this season, but QPR were absolutely there for the taking if we were more more attacking and played to our strengths of getting ball to feet. 

The common trend that has value for discourse is the patterns of attacking play and how a couple of midfielders (and their tactical direction) accounts for that. As much as people wish to throw shade at TC or Kelman, for example, I feel they are being starved of any opportunities. NJ has a very clear vision of how he wants his teams to attack and these players will follow that if they want to play. We're still having players bed in and learn this, but my opinion is that this is very much linked to how our midfield functions.

I do hope this is just a bit of a slow start and not dissimilar in some ways to the start last year. I remain in the camp of anything above relegation was always going to be the aim - the signings we made gave confidence for the potential of more (which we could absolutely still achieve). The tight games are always going to be a constant of the way NJ sets his teams up. We are still finding our way with the new players, as they fit into NJs systems of play. It doesn't take a particularly smart person that scoring goals will likely be a challenge this year - it's just how we adjust to get them.

NJ has shown he can adapt in the past, and knows the importance of the Millwall game to us as fans. I think we'll see the reaction then - it is still only August!

Also don't understand the Kaminski pelters that he got on the match thread. The opening goal basically wrong foots him so harsh to blame him for letting it in. The defending was poor for all 3 goals so I don't think the keeper should be blamed.

Need to pick the pace up, basic marking and more important of all they have got to toughen up, bullied off the ball far to much yesterday.

Pelling1993 said:

Also don't understand the Kaminski pelters that he got on the match thread. The opening goal basically wrong foots him so harsh to blame him for letting it in. The defending was poor for all 3 goals so I don't think the keeper should be blamed.

Also pulled off a blinder from the free kick.