With a different ref we would have got a result. He let a lot go which QPR got the better end of. And NJ absolutely right to complain about the non-award of the second yellow.
Luckily he let a foul on us go in the build up to our goal as well
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Of course it should be discussed here. I was just pointing out that some have gone way OTT IMO
You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Think he wants the match threads shut down and just have a season review.
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Think he wants the match threads shut down and just have a season review.
I offered an opinion about yesterday.
Please point out where I wanted the match threads shut down
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Think he wants the match threads shut down and just have a season review.
I offered an opinion about yesterday.
Please point out where I wanted the match threads shut down
Just See your post above mine now I understand can only offer my apologies squire.
The foul on TC prior to their goal, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).
A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.
Disagree, end of the day QPR deserved the win, it was one of those games like last season we'd see about once a month where it just went wrong like Rotherham, Peterborough, Wrexham seems to be a habit every now and then with an NJ team.
Ref wasn't perfect but claiming a different ref meant a different result is clutching at straws.
The foul on TC prior to their goal not given, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).
A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.
I’m not sure it was a foul on TC. The ref wasn’t giving those all game.
What TC needed to do was fall on the ball so that if the ref didn’t give the foul, we wouldn’t have been caught out. Even if he gives the foul the other way for TC handling the ball, at least we can organise and defend the free kick
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Of course it should be discussed here. I was just pointing out that some have gone way OTT IMO
You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs
I’m not sure people are really “slagging them off”. We’ve just lost three matches in a week and there are clearly some issues with our team, particularly in terms of scoring goals, I think people are entitled to discuss that (“negatively” or otherwise”). Being overly positive and avoiding any form of negativity is pretty immature.
The foul on TC prior to their goal not given, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).
A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.
I’m not sure it was a foul on TC. The ref wasn’t giving those all game.
What TC needed to do was fall on the ball so that if the ref didn’t give the foul, we wouldn’t have been caught out. Even if he gives the foul the other way for TC handling the ball, at least we can organise and defend the free kick
There were many choices he could have made such as spun his man and tried to get up the pitch or once he went down after trying to shield the ball he could have brought the player down. Unfortunately the one thing he couldn’t do was crumble to the floor and let the bloke run off with the ball towards our goal
Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort.
We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think
3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition.
I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.
Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling though as those are our competition ultimately. I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.
Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort.
We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think
3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition.
I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.
Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling those as that is our competition ultimately, I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.
Do agree but Sheffield United is very toxic, if they lose Hamer on loan (linked away at the moment), then that’s their best player gone. Get the new manager appointment wrong and they could be this seasons Luton where you look at the squad and can’t believe they are down there
Hull, Oxford and Sheff Wed were my 3 to go down before the season. Happy that they all look like they are struggling
Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort.
We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think
3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition.
I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.
Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling those as that is our competition ultimately, I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.
Do agree but Sheffield United is very toxic, if they lose Hamer on loan (linked away at the moment), then that’s their best player gone. Get the new manager appointment wrong and they could be this seasons Luton where you look at the squad and can’t believe they are down there
Hull, Oxford and Sheff Wed were my 3 to go down before the season. Happy that they all look like they are struggling
Mate of mine is a Blade and he pretty much agrees with your point that at the moment they’re a basket case and are so disjointed it’s scary. He does however think it’ll eventually click which is hard to disagree with.
Like you and a few others say, we need to keep an eye on our ‘mini league’ who fortunately have all had mixed starts too
Looking at the table and seeing we have more points then Ipswich and sheff utd is a comfort.
We’re 4 games in and have 4 points already just need another 40 and the season will be a success I think
3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition.
I can understand the logic, but I don't like seeing sides like that below us as it feels a bit false. It is inevitable that they will finish above us/go above us eventually, whether that's cause of a manager change or something clicks.
Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling those as that is our competition ultimately, I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.
Do agree but Sheffield United is very toxic, if they lose Hamer on loan (linked away at the moment), then that’s their best player gone. Get the new manager appointment wrong and they could be this seasons Luton where you look at the squad and can’t believe they are down there
Hull, Oxford and Sheff Wed were my 3 to go down before the season. Happy that they all look like they are struggling
Mate of mine is a Blade and he pretty much agrees with your point that at the moment they’re a basket case and are so disjointed it’s scary. He does however think it’ll eventually click which is hard to disagree with.
Like you and a few others say, we need to keep an eye on our ‘mini league’ who fortunately have all had mixed starts too
Yeah I think if they get the new manager appointment right they will be fine. Expect Selles will be sacked very soon, hopefully keeps his job for 2 more games!
Can add Derby, Wrexham, QPR and Blackburn to that. Quite encouraging that we are on the same points or better than those 7 teams
Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1
Right, but this is the post match thread for this one particular match - so it isn’t hugely surprising that this match is being discussed here!
Of course it should be discussed here. I was just pointing out that some have gone way OTT IMO
You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs
I’m not sure people are really “slagging them off”. We’ve just lost three matches in a week and there are clearly some issues with our team, particularly in terms of scoring goals, I think people are entitled to discuss that (“negatively” or otherwise”). Being overly positive and avoiding any form of negativity is pretty immature.
No idea who is being overly positive and avoiding any form of negatively, is that me?
We’ll learn from this and keep improving overall - it’s what NJ teams do.
There will still be off days sprinkled in there, just like there were yesterday for the likes of Kayne Ramsay who played like a Harrogate Town right back.
As others have said, it's not the time for full and absolute head loss. When 2/4 results (Watford and Bristol City) and arguably 3/4 performances (Watford, Bristol City and Leicester) are ones that I've believe are objectively good for our return to the level, I'm not going to think the sky is falling after a what I consider to be a below par performance away to QPR. The result absolutely flattered them - more than anything, it was the defending for the two goals that made me most disappointed, because we have been more resolute. It's unlikely we will play any other way under NJ this season, but QPR were absolutely there for the taking if we were more more attacking and played to our strengths of getting ball to feet.
The common trend that has value for discourse is the patterns of attacking play and how a couple of midfielders (and their tactical direction) accounts for that. As much as people wish to throw shade at TC or Kelman, for example, I feel they are being starved of any opportunities. NJ has a very clear vision of how he wants his teams to attack and these players will follow that if they want to play. We're still having players bed in and learn this, but my opinion is that this is very much linked to how our midfield functions.
I do hope this is just a bit of a slow start and not dissimilar in some ways to the start last year. I remain in the camp of anything above relegation was always going to be the aim - the signings we made gave confidence for the potential of more (which we could absolutely still achieve). The tight games are always going to be a constant of the way NJ sets his teams up. We are still finding our way with the new players, as they fit into NJs systems of play. It doesn't take a particularly smart person that scoring goals will likely be a challenge this year - it's just how we adjust to get them.
NJ has shown he can adapt in the past, and knows the importance of the Millwall game to us as fans. I think we'll see the reaction then - it is still only August!
It's all a bit negative for me. Yesterday was disappointing but people need to realise we will lose more than we win this season. The boys need our full backing and I'm confident Jones can keep us out of the bottom 3.
Also don't understand the Kaminski pelters that he got on the match thread. The opening goal basically wrong foots him so harsh to blame him for letting it in. The defending was poor for all 3 goals so I don't think the keeper should be blamed.
The foul on TC prior to their goal not given, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).
A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.
I’m not sure it was a foul on TC. The ref wasn’t giving those all game.
What TC needed to do was fall on the ball so that if the ref didn’t give the foul, we wouldn’t have been caught out. Even if he gives the foul the other way for TC handling the ball, at least we can organise and defend the free kick
There were many choices he could have made such as spun his man and tried to get up the pitch or once he went down after trying to shield the ball he could have brought the player down. Unfortunately the one thing he couldn’t do was crumble to the floor and let the bloke run off with the ball towards our goal
TC was in the opposition half. There should have been 2 defensive midfielders and 3 centre backs behind him to deal with the situation.
Coventry picked up an unnecessary yellow in the first half. Without that I suspect he would have pulled their player down to stop the move. In a way, that yellow is as much to blame as TC for the goal...
It's all a bit negative for me. Yesterday was disappointing but people need to realise we will lose more than we win this season. The boys need our full backing and I'm confident Jones can keep us out of the bottom 3.
Home form is the key to staying afloat
I have no doubt they will get full backing at the games . Yesterday was garbage though .
Also don't understand the Kaminski pelters that he got on the match thread. The opening goal basically wrong foots him so harsh to blame him for letting it in. The defending was poor for all 3 goals so I don't think the keeper should be blamed.
At one stage yesterday we had a two on two attack but the ref blew up for a Rangers player down. Head injury? The medics did no concussion checks and the ref restarted play by giving them a drop ball.
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The ref for the Leicester game was very fussy, but again was balanced in that.
You carry on slagging them off if that is what it needs
Please point out where I wanted the match threads shut down
The foul on TC prior to their goal not given, and the failure to give a 2nd yellow for the foul on Kelman (or was it Knibbs?).
A different ref, a different result. We could have won it on momentum.
3-1 flattered them but we tried going for it just wasn’t good enough. I do fear how we will fair against a lot better opposition.
Ref wasn't perfect but claiming a different ref meant a different result is clutching at straws.
Good to see sides like Hull, Oxford and Sheffield Wednesday really struggling though as those are our competition ultimately. I would be a lot more concerned if they were showing signs of life.
Hull, Oxford and Sheff Wed were my 3 to go down before the season. Happy that they all look like they are struggling
The common trend that has value for discourse is the patterns of attacking play and how a couple of midfielders (and their tactical direction) accounts for that. As much as people wish to throw shade at TC or Kelman, for example, I feel they are being starved of any opportunities. NJ has a very clear vision of how he wants his teams to attack and these players will follow that if they want to play. We're still having players bed in and learn this, but my opinion is that this is very much linked to how our midfield functions.
I do hope this is just a bit of a slow start and not dissimilar in some ways to the start last year. I remain in the camp of anything above relegation was always going to be the aim - the signings we made gave confidence for the potential of more (which we could absolutely still achieve). The tight games are always going to be a constant of the way NJ sets his teams up. We are still finding our way with the new players, as they fit into NJs systems of play. It doesn't take a particularly smart person that scoring goals will likely be a challenge this year - it's just how we adjust to get them.
NJ has shown he can adapt in the past, and knows the importance of the Millwall game to us as fans. I think we'll see the reaction then - it is still only August!
Home form is the key to staying afloat
Coventry picked up an unnecessary yellow in the first half. Without that I suspect he would have pulled their player down to stop the move. In a way, that yellow is as much to blame as TC for the goal...
WTF?