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POST-MATCH THREAD: Queens Park Rangers v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 30th August 2025: KO 12:30pm
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Had to dash off did ya...😉kentred2 said:-1 -
NabySarr said:
It’s way too early to be judging the team, manager or individual players. We’ve also not had the easiest first 4 games and done pretty well overall in terms of performances. We are going to lose quite a few games this season so fans need to get used to itswordfish said:
I'm not sure being 16th at the end of August says a lot and wonder if 4 games in is enough to answer questions about our ability to compete at this level, even if it is all we have to go on so far.stoneroses19 said:After sleeping on it, feel much better this morning.We didn't perform well yesterday, yet still created a lot of chances, and QPR game plan to stop us, was to be over physical, where we ended up winning 16 free kicks!Once we click in final third and start getting the ball in the net more frequently, we will be fine and start hurting sides more.The fact we are disappointed with yesterday's performance and result, yet we are still in 16th says a lot.
Yes, you are correct and some respected independent football folk said if the fans/supporters and especially the critics of CAFC can accept Charlton could well lose 18 to 20 matches then they will stay up as long as they have enough wins to get to the mid 50 point level.
This from 24/25 Championship table after 46 games.
QPR W14 D14 L18 PTS 56. Position 15
Pompey W14 D12 L20 PTS 54 Position 16
So if CAFC finish 15th and 16th Charlton fans would still moan in our 1st season back ?
We weren't good enough yesterday with so many basic facets of the game and it's for Nathan to sort out.
Ironically we had plenty of the possession but the quality was few and far between with the delivery.
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I thought large chunks of our game yesterday were very good. The defence weren’t as good as usual but that’s going to happen, and the obvious lack of goal threat. But we were the better team for the majority of the game.Some have said already if we’d been played off the park I’d also be concerned, but frankly we weren’t and just didn’t take our chances. There’s a lot to be positive about so far and jones has a history of figuring these things out and eventually getting it right.This melt down after 4 games is stupid20
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Okay 4 points from 4 games...no issue....but Nathan has to surely understand thar the midfield is not right. Is Knibbs or Costello the answer? Who knows...they've had zero minutes in 4 league games.
As for Kelman I've re-watched his goals from last season and he's had literally no service like then. So, either Nathan wants to change his whole game or, he now realises that the current midfielders playing cannot give him what he needs.
In my opinion Nathan must realise that he needs to seriously think of changing the formation and personnel.
I hope/expect some changes against the Wall and would like to see Tanto, Kelman, Costello and Knibbs play more minutes than they've had and then give it a few games to see if things can get better.....
If that doesn't work then we can panic.
We knew this wasn't going to be easy just look how many teams got promoted then relegated the next year. Let's keep the faith and stop the nitpicking/slating of players please it's not needed after just 4 flipping games.4 -
Utterly embarrassing how we've collectively shat the bed. We had the better of that game and were done against the run of play. It happens. This site is painful sometimes11
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Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.12 -
Their second goal was against the run of play, but in the first half they were completely dominant. We could easily have been 2 goals down at HT.Leuth said:Utterly embarrassing how we've collectively shat the bed. We had the better of that game and were done against the run of play. It happens. This site is painful sometimes3 -
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.15 -
I think the point about service to Kelman is a valid one, and agree with Braziliance further up that without Donley and Galbraith-type players behind and around, then our other midfield players, and he himself, will have to adapt, and that's likely to be a long term issue, unless we sign some magical player(s) in the next 24 hours or so. I would of thought we have enough with Carey, Apter, and TC (professional footballers lets be clear) who should be able to find a pass. Yet some, very limited, evidence to date suggests they might not have it in them! Too early to be sure, imo.peterreeves said:Okay 4 points from 4 games...no issue....but Nathan has to surely understand thar the midfield is not right. Is Knibbs or Costello the answer? Who knows...they've had zero minutes in 4 league games.
As for Kelman I've re-watched his goals from last season and he's had literally no service like then. So, either Nathan wants to change his whole game or, he now realises that the current midfielders playing cannot give him what he needs.
In my opinion Nathan must realise that he needs to seriously think of changing the formation and personnel.
I hope/expect some changes against the Wall and would like to see Tanto, Kelman, Costello and Knibbs play more minutes than they've had and then give it a few games to see if things can get better.....
If that doesn't work then we can panic.
We knew this wasn't going to be easy just look how many teams got promoted then relegated the next year. Let's keep the faith and stop the nitpicking/slating of players please it's not needed after just 4 flipping games.
More importantly, the spelling of Millwall, can i pick you up on that?!
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It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.6 - Sponsored links:
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Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1Braziliance said:
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.8 -
We looked like a team who’s just been promoted, signed a load of potentially brilliant championship players from the league below and they haven’t yet developed, into players that get the fine margins right…yet.
We’ll win a couple we don’t expect, probably get turned over again a couple of times too.
15th would be a brilliant season. Not seen anything in the 4 games that makes me think we can’t improve into a team that can achieve that.5 -
Apologies Swords, just couldn't bring myself to say ***wall, probably should've gone with scum!swords_alive said:
I think the point about service to Kelman is a valid one, and agree with Braziliance further up that without Donley and Galbraith-type players behind and around, then our other midfield players, and he himself, will have to adapt, and that's likely to be a long term issue, unless we sign some magical player(s) in the next 24 hours or so. I would of thought we have enough with Carey, Apter, and TC (professional footballers lets be clear) who should be able to find a pass. Yet some, very limited, evidence to date suggests they might not have it in them! Too early to be sure, imo.peterreeves said:Okay 4 points from 4 games...no issue....but Nathan has to surely understand thar the midfield is not right. Is Knibbs or Costello the answer? Who knows...they've had zero minutes in 4 league games.
As for Kelman I've re-watched his goals from last season and he's had literally no service like then. So, either Nathan wants to change his whole game or, he now realises that the current midfielders playing cannot give him what he needs.
In my opinion Nathan must realise that he needs to seriously think of changing the formation and personnel.
I hope/expect some changes against the Wall and would like to see Tanto, Kelman, Costello and Knibbs play more minutes than they've had and then give it a few games to see if things can get better.....
If that doesn't work then we can panic.
We knew this wasn't going to be easy just look how many teams got promoted then relegated the next year. Let's keep the faith and stop the nitpicking/slating of players please it's not needed after just 4 flipping games.
More importantly, the spelling of Millwall, can i pick you up on that?!3 -
People enjoy the game in different ways and I don't know why we can't just live and let live. Football is an emotional, dramatic sport, that's why we love the game. If others enjoy it more as a science, that's fine too. Nobody should be slagging anyone else off because of how much/little of themselves they put into it.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
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No problem with negative or positive match reviews, everyone has their own level of pessimism and optimism, and that's always going to skew the way you see a game.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.The problem is those who take negativity to a ridiculous level, and start talking about needing 3-4 players before Monday or we're going to relegated. That's just an example. There's other posts like that since yesterday, and it's just not required.We weren't up to it yesterday and it wasn't good enough. But, that's one game from four that you can say that. Posters throwing toys out of the pram after one bad loss is unnecessary.2 -
I disagree. Fans play an important part whether that's positively or negatively. If you don't feel joy or anger towards results in football then what is the point in following a team.JohnnyH2 said:
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1Braziliance said:
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
I don't think anyone seriously believes our season is a write off because of one game? It is just yesterday highlighted some cause for concerns if we continue to play that way. Now it is a talking point on the post match thread.
Do we need two separate threads at this point if people are going to get offended by people being angry at Charlton losing. I genuinely don't get it.8 -
It's very hard to change a team's way of playing to adapt to one player. Besides, I'm not sure NJ teams have ever been the sort of passing side that Kelman at Orient thrived in...swords_alive said:
I think the point about service to Kelman is a valid one, and agree with Braziliance further up that without Donley and Galbraith-type players behind and around, then our other midfield players, and he himself, will have to adapt, and that's likely to be a long term issue, unless we sign some magical player(s) in the next 24 hours or so. I would of thought we have enough with Carey, Apter, and TC (professional footballers lets be clear) who should be able to find a pass. Yet some, very limited, evidence to date suggests they might not have it in them! Too early to be sure, imo.peterreeves said:Okay 4 points from 4 games...no issue....but Nathan has to surely understand thar the midfield is not right. Is Knibbs or Costello the answer? Who knows...they've had zero minutes in 4 league games.
As for Kelman I've re-watched his goals from last season and he's had literally no service like then. So, either Nathan wants to change his whole game or, he now realises that the current midfielders playing cannot give him what he needs.
In my opinion Nathan must realise that he needs to seriously think of changing the formation and personnel.
I hope/expect some changes against the Wall and would like to see Tanto, Kelman, Costello and Knibbs play more minutes than they've had and then give it a few games to see if things can get better.....
If that doesn't work then we can panic.
We knew this wasn't going to be easy just look how many teams got promoted then relegated the next year. Let's keep the faith and stop the nitpicking/slating of players please it's not needed after just 4 flipping games.0 -
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shit ground
free pie and pint at ht was great.1 -
CorrectionJohnnyH2 said:
Snoring is what happens under the duvetBraziliance said:
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.4 -
Braziliance said:
I disagree. Fans play an important part whether that's positively or negatively. If you don't feel joy or anger towards results in football then what is the point in following a team.JohnnyH2 said:
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1Braziliance said:
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
I don't think anyone seriously believes our season is a write off because of one game? It is just yesterday highlighted some cause for concerns if we continue to play that way. Now it is a talking point on the post match thread.
Do we need two separate threads at this point if people are going to get offended by people being angry at Charlton losing. I genuinely don't get it.
What...with three girlfriends...😉0 - Sponsored links:
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I remember what happened last season, started well, had dreadful end of year, NJ changed Ahadme for Godden and all was forgiven in the beginning of this year.
Let us wait and see, at least give it 10 league games and see where we are.
Beat Millwall and we are world beaters 😀2 -
I was just looking at Docherty's FotMob and his stats are appalling. I know he was good last week, but he was poor again yesterday, and poor in the games before. I'm honestly a little gutted that we've started the season with him because that was the one area we really needed to improve, with our midfield being the weakest part of our team last year.
Generally we lack physicality in the middle of the pitch. We are losing the majority of our duels there. Docherty has lost 57% of his ground duels. Coventry has lost 52%. These are both below the league average. Coventry is also, thus far, not winning his tackles like he did in League One. He's only won 28% of tackles attempted, which is one of the lowest in the league.
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And therein lies the real problem the midfield arn't winning as many battles as they did last year and don't provide any forward threat either which would help.Chunes said:I was just looking at Docherty's FotMob and his stats are appalling. I know he was good last week, but he was poor again yesterday, and poor in the games before. I'm honestly a little gutted that we've started the season with him because that was the one area we really needed to improve, with our midfield being the weakest part of our team last year.
Generally we lack physicality in the middle of the pitch. We are losing the majority of our duels there. Docherty has lost 57% of his ground duels. Coventry has lost 52%. These are both below the league average. Coventry is also, thus far, not winning his tackles like he did in League One. He's only won 28% of tackles attempted, which is one of the lowest in the league.6 -
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I'm not offended, just think some of the criticism is OTT, particularly towards individual players. I have seen a lot worse performances and players over the years than what we currently haveBraziliance said:
I disagree. Fans play an important part whether that's positively or negatively. If you don't feel joy or anger towards results in football then what is the point in following a team.JohnnyH2 said:
Passion is what happens under the duvet, This is a football club, our football club and when we lose it does not always need to be discussed negatively. This season is what happens over 46 league games, not 1Braziliance said:
It is sensitive imo. Always the same on here. When things are going well it's all a bit lego movie, everything is awesome. We play poor and someone talks about it, and you get people saying how embarrassing it is.fenaddick said:
Not sure people disagreeing is overly sensitive. It wasn’t fantastic but it also wasn’t shit. 2 out of our back 3 had their worst game of the season, Coventry was on a tight rope because of an early booking and our usually threatening set pieces were poor. Despite that we still nearly came away with at least one point against an established Championship team away from home. I’m not saying it was perfect and we should all be delighted but there’s some middle ground there that people seem allergic to.Braziliance said:Personally find it far more embarrassing when people get sensitive over people sharing negative match reviews, it's part of football.
What do we want, an echo chamber of constant positivity even when we lose?
The performance was shit, it is ok to say that and talk about it.
It is the most normal thing in football to discuss a game positively or negatively. It's passion.
I feel like your view is very different to mine on this game. You have said we didn't play shit, but then described a number of factors as to why it could be seen as a shit performance.
We didn't deserve anything from that game. Leicester yes, definitely, Bristol City yes, this game no. QPR defended well and had their tactics spot on, we offered nothing really and came away with nothing.
Play like that against Millwall and they will genuinely run riot, they're a much better side than QPR.
I don't think anyone seriously believes our season is a write off because of one game? It is just yesterday highlighted some cause for concerns if we continue to play that way. Now it is a talking point on the post match thread.
Do we need two separate threads at this point if people are going to get offended by people being angry at Charlton losing. I genuinely don't get it.7 -
I agree with this. The majority of our signings have been league one players that have been very effective at that level, but we won’t know until the end of the season if they are good enough to make the step up.drawnablank said:We looked like a team who’s just been promoted, signed a load of potentially brilliant championship players from the league below and they haven’t yet developed, into players that get the fine margins right…yet.
We’ll win a couple we don’t expect, probably get turned over again a couple of times too.
15th would be a brilliant season. Not seen anything in the 4 games that makes me think we can’t improve into a team that can achieve that.
the frustration for me personally, is that I think we’ve at least been worth a point from the last 2 games, maybe even 2. However, they’re both good examples of the step up and these fixtures don’t get any easier.
i think Braziliance made a good point re the remainder of the budget going on an a central midfielder to compete with Coventry. I rate Coventry and I know we’re probably getting a RWB or another CB, but I think we need just a bit more bite and pace in the middle. Coventry and Doc haven’t had a poor game so far imo, but if you look at their second goal and some of the play y’day, I think we’re a bit too slow in the middle, which dictates both our attack and how we defend
so far, the commitment and work rate has been superb, and everyone is trying their best to step it up and we’ve put in some solid performances, the worry is do we have the talent to break teams down, or, at the very least, can we adapt our system and style of play. The organisation and the structure got us promoted last season, and the goals we did score were against poorer teams. We don’t have that luxury this season.
it’s only 4 games. It’s always crap losing going into an intl break, but hopefully the last 2 have been the wake up call and regardless of our record against Millwall, it’s a good game to have when we return as hopefully the players know it’s a local derby and there’s something riding on it5 -
"He who is not contented with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to have."
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Some overzealous optimism after the Watford game has now been usurped by a rude dose of Championship reality, but there is no need for panic stations at this early stage.
Although, I will sleep a lot better when Godden laces his boots up...
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Funny you should say that We could do with a Socrates in midfield aswell not the philosopher mind : )eastterrace6168 said:"He who is not contented with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to have."
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With a different ref we would have got a result. He let a lot go which QPR got the better end of. And NJ absolutely right to complain about the non-award of the second yellow.4
