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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Reading: Saturday 4th January 2025: KO 15:00
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New signing apparentlyMintoHumbugs said:Anyone recognise the pitch invader on 81 minutes ?2 -
If we're to be competitive in this league, that's the required standard. If crowds are to rise, that's the required standard. No team in this division should be feared or over-respected.
Really good stuff, enjoyed that.
Points-wise the playoffs look a big ask, but an achievable target. Essential we continue this for the remainder of this season and carry the momentum into the next one.11 -
Supporting Charlton more like a Sarah Kane play than a pantomime at the momentChunes said:
Ah, it's theatre! Then en garde, because I am a massive thespian.Leuth said:
I know you don't hate him really! It is all just a bit of theatre. Although I'll admit in Hector's case I really was won over by his effortless dispossessing of forwards enough to forgive his not running or jumping much, lolChunes said:
I've said umpteen times he's a decent player. I also criticised him last season for being poor, which he was, and I still believe he's not a touch on Dobson. But he does his job and is effective in his role. How this has turned into me hating him is baffling.Leuth said:Landmark day as I award Docherty more than Coventry in player marks. Happy now @Chunes - our hero had a slight off day but was still pretty good
Lloyd Jones is just imperious. Docherty finally looks like the guy. TC splendid. We gubbed em second half. Lots of teams are going to struggle against us now
We have a lot of previous when it comes to arguing over players, and I'm not afraid to say if I think someone is useless, as well you should know!3 -
Can't deny the last 4 we played really well. Was watching on my phone whilst also watching Horsham beat Carshalton 3-0. We were good. We had the better chances and Miles should have buried his chance that the keeper fumbled.
I'm disappointed with a draw given just how well we played.0 -
In between the frequent games of head tennis was a decent game of football.In hindsight, it’s two points lost and we didn’t capitalise on getting a midweek rest compared to Reading. A lack of composure and some good fortune for their keeper kept us goalless, but that’s football and we’ll win games playing worse. Was expecting more from Reading, but it may well have been a game too far for them, in which case they’d be delighted with a point.
We are pretty much unrecognisable from Crawley / Lincoln / Orient games from just one month ago and game by game I’m growing more confident this isn’t just an improved blip, this will be maintained now in the 2nd half of the season. We’ve an energy and drive that was previously missing, just today the final third didn’t work out for us.21 -
Not seen him mentioned but I think Doherty is definitely showing us more game by game. The one big disappointment for me is Berry. A senior pro with recent higher experience, he should be influencing games a lot more than he is. Another very quiet game today.
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Let me look that one upLeuth said:
Not a fan of the Aleatoric Industrial genre then?KingKinsella said:Exciting competitive but also rubbish football. Mistakes galore.
Like putting your cutlery in the washing machine and expecting to hear a symphony1 -
Agree. Think we've given ourselves too much to do but at least there's a style and purpose to the way we play now.Callumcafc said:Only teams to have lost fewer games than us are the top four: Birmingham, Wycombe, Wrexham and Huddersfield. We now have the solid platform that we desperately needed.
Where we have suffered is from a few annoying draws against Stockport, Barnsley, Mansfield, Reading… All of whom have top six ambitions themselves.
Turn two or three of those into wins and we wouldn’t be just outside looking in, playing catch up.
Just too late imo.1 -
The chances he missed were when he cut in on his left foot but blazed over or wide. One he wriggled through and only needed to calmly pass it into the net but went for the Hollywood finish. Shame cause his approach play was good.golfaddick said:
I wasn't there & didnt watch it on TV so no idea what foot these chances fell to him......AddicksAddict said:
That’s very inaccurate about Small. His fault is composure in front of goal.19addickted96 said:somewhat nice to come away from a game gutted at not taking all 3pts, after the first half of the season we've had!
So frustrating that almost every shot on target goes straight to the keeper - didnt even really make him work.
We play so much better having width to out performance, but its clear that Small and TC think theyre better than they are - so wasteful and nonchalant when attacking, and rather than beating their man they both prefer to check back or try a few fancy step overs- just get it in the box if youre not going to drive!!!
Defence looks solid, albeit gilesphey scares me everytime hes on the ball - our only real weak link there. Midfield solid too but with no magic or class to it.
Should really have won, but it keeps reading in touching distance... really need to start picking up points, especially the 6 pointers
But remember he is a left footed defender playing on the right. If chances fall to him on his "wrong" foot then it's hard to criticise him. Same with regards to crossing.0 -
Aneke?MintoHumbugs said:Anyone recognise the pitch invader on 81 minutes ?8 -
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Brownie called it well, it's like he rushes the last bit, cross, pass or shot he suddenly goes into overdrive and smashes the ball...LargeAddick said:
The chances he missed were when he cut in on his left foot but blazed over or wide. One he wriggled through and only needed to calmly pass it into the net but went for the Hollywood finish. Shame cause his approach play was good.golfaddick said:
I wasn't there & didnt watch it on TV so no idea what foot these chances fell to him......AddicksAddict said:
That’s very inaccurate about Small. His fault is composure in front of goal.19addickted96 said:somewhat nice to come away from a game gutted at not taking all 3pts, after the first half of the season we've had!
So frustrating that almost every shot on target goes straight to the keeper - didnt even really make him work.
We play so much better having width to out performance, but its clear that Small and TC think theyre better than they are - so wasteful and nonchalant when attacking, and rather than beating their man they both prefer to check back or try a few fancy step overs- just get it in the box if youre not going to drive!!!
Defence looks solid, albeit gilesphey scares me everytime hes on the ball - our only real weak link there. Midfield solid too but with no magic or class to it.
Should really have won, but it keeps reading in touching distance... really need to start picking up points, especially the 6 pointers
But remember he is a left footed defender playing on the right. If chances fall to him on his "wrong" foot then it's hard to criticise him. Same with regards to crossing.2 -
Agreed. Docherty now is chalk and cheese to Docherty of a month or so ago.AFKABartram said:Not seen him mentioned but I think Doherty is definitely showing us more game by game. The one big disappointment for me is Berry. A senior pro with recent higher experience, he should be influencing games a lot more than he is. Another very quiet game today.7 -
On the balance of play and chances we deserved to win. Our decision making in and around the box on occasion plus poor finishing meant we didn’t. However, a performance that is so much better than we were witnessing a few weeks ago.
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Could have won it, should have won it, no complaints that we didn’t win it. 6 game unbeaten run, 3 wins, 3 draws, only 2 goals conceded. Onwards and upwards.5
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A quality creative midfielder could really be what rounds this side out. Berry has been a letdown but an upgrade on him and Ramsay getting fit again would be great options to have. LCB I'd have a look at too as I'm assuming Potts isn't staying?
Another game where I've been impressed by Joel Pereira their keeper.4 -
I find it amazing that he is still at this level. I remember him coming on against us for, was it Morecombe ? But Peter Shirtliffe was commentating and said how good he looked, shame his old man is a cock though.ValleyGary said:
Few people said this, not sure I get it. 3 pea rollers straight at him and he nearly gifted us a goal. Did well, but Savage was immense. His tackle against TC was quality, made up about 40 yards.msomerton said:
Their man of the match must be the keeper.JamesSeed said:We also could have scored in the first half. 0-0 or 1-1 would have been fair. Could never have been 0-3.Second half we battered them. How we haven’t got the three points I have no idea. Well, poor finishing I guess, but we’re now playing much better, and yet we’re now 7 points from 6th, albeit with a game in hand. Let’s hope they keep their heads up.0 -
Terry Taylor?KingKinsella said:
New signing apparentlyMintoHumbugs said:Anyone recognise the pitch invader on 81 minutes ?0 -
I usually stick up for RonnieMoore when he's getting pelters from others but giving TC a 6 is an absolute joke7
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Their GK couldn’t kick and all the saves he made were because the shots ended up being comfortably in reachsupaclive said:I enjoyed that today. We were SO much better than we have been. Gillesphey weak link. Keeper's distribution is poor. But we worked damn hard.
Jones (Lloyd) brilliant. TC worked tirelessly. Leaburn caused them problems. Small needs a little more composure
Left sided centre half
Attacking midfielder
Goalkeeper (Reading's preferably)
PLEASE
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Another day we win that. Said in the rumours thread we need one or two alternatives to TC and Small. I feel that’s holding us back, we don’t have pace and dribbling ability to bring off the bench or to rotate. If NJ doesn’t feel u21s such as Enslin and Dixon are ready then we need a signing or two.
Without their pace we’ll look a different team, we won’t be able to play the new style which is 1. not only much more enjoyable to watch but 2. more effective and better suits this squad than route one.
Leaburn and Jones are also key but we have others who can play in their positions and roles, just not to the same level. Take the pace away and using width won’t work.
I’d like upgrades on Berry and Gillesphey but realistically they might be signings for the summer.10 -
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Agreed.LargeAddick said:
It's a tough ask as it is. The gap isn't really narrowing. Just got to keep going and see where it takes us. I think we will miss out by three or four points but if we continue improving and tinker with the squad a bit, who knows.ElfsborgAddick said:
We cannot afford to drop any further away from 5th and 6th places. It will be a tough ask.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.0 -
Talking out of your proverbial about Gillesphey as most. No coincidence that we've been a better defensive unit with Jones next to him. A misplaced pass doesn't mark someone down always but as usual Charlton fans need a scapegoat e.g Fox/Purrington/Morgan. Let's analyse today we didn't concede of which Gillesphey wad part of our defense. How many goals did we score .......nil ! Don't see you berating others.Clem_Snide said:Decent performance in spells, but Reading had a couple of spells of their own and 3 huge chances.
If Thierry Small had an end product there is no doubt he'd be playing at a much higher level.
I am bored of saying it, but how bad does Gillesphey have to be before he is dropped? He was absolutely woeful today and added being out muscled to his ever growing list of deficiencies.
Going to moan about the bench as well. It's still ridiculously unbalanced. I don't see the need for 3 strikers and if Anderson is there, why do we need Campbell as well?
Every time I have seen Whing play for Reading I have been impressed - would love to get him in. Knibbs was less effective than he has been against us in the past. I like Sam Smith as well, clever footballer and given his size he leads the line really well.
No doubt things have improved and there is a level of resilience there, but the concern for me is what happens if we loose Jones again? He leads the defensive line so we'll and we don't have a replacement for that.
Gillesphey played well and has done so recently.16 -
Should have won that the better team lack of finishing quality or that extra class that's letting us down in these types of games it's on the owners....1
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Two senior strikers? We're not going to see much of Aneke.Bailey said:
Agree with all of that but it shouldn't be lost on people the ages of our three most offensive players, Leaburn, Tyreece Campbell and Thierry Small. I actually thought our threat increased with Chuks and the Godden on the pitch, not a bad situation when you can swap two kids for two senior strikers.LargeAddick said:No complaints from me. I criticised the performance against Cambridge even though we won and I was told to cheer up and enjoy the win. I enjoyed today more. Today was a proper performance. 9 times out of ten we win that game. We couldn't have done much more. A very dubious goal ruled out, one cleared off the line, their keeper made three decent stops, created numerous chances, it just wouldn't go in, it happens, but no complaints.
Well one complaint. The East Stand lino didn't raise his flag first half yet couldn't wait to do so second half, except when Edwards was badly fouled. He made some appalling decisions second half, none more so than our goal.
Thierry Small would be one hell of a player if his decision making were better and he didn't let occasions/opportunities go to his head. He needs to show much more composure when he gets sight of goal but there must be a rush of blood to his head and everything goes to pot. A shame as he's exciting and good to watch.1 -
We played very well i thought and you could see their team management and fans all knew they was extremely lucky to come away with a point
We need to be more clinical but defence was great and some of the football we played to unlock their defence on many occasions was great to see
onwards and upwards but Jones and the team are showing a team with effort and passion we can all be proud of !!1 -
To take the positives, whether or not this really was the plan from the start or not, there's clearly an evolution of the tactics and style visible now and more pertinently its one that looks both successful and sustainable... as long as January doesn't end with critical pieces missing/sold.
I know the talk from Jones is very minimal activity and not many signings but as ever it's the potential outs that could really scupper things. There's the makings of a properly decent side in there and hopefully that doesn't get ruined by chasing easy cash.
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Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .2 -
Yeah I'm with you on that, he's obviously been hitting the Sherry over the holiday season, or he's simply losing his mind.crookester said:I usually stick up for RonnieMoore when he's getting pelters from others but giving TC a 6 is an absolute joke0 -
Ronnie never rated CBT, so I can see why he doesn’t rate TC who hasn’t yet developed the good end product CBT had last season.Bailey said:
Yeah I'm with you on that, he's obviously been hitting the Sherry over the holiday season, or he's simply losing his mind.crookester said:I usually stick up for RonnieMoore when he's getting pelters from others but giving TC a 6 is an absolute joke0 -
I’ll give Small the benefit of him being a left footed player on the right, but if that had been Ramsay, the crossing would have been a level higher
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