Scott Fraser - pg 36 - left by mutual consent
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I think he comes across badly in that.
the club accepted four or five offers from English clubs by I reiterated for over a year……
piss off. You signed the contract, you stole a living, the employer holds the cards here!!!!12 -
So basically downed tools…!!!5
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And they accepted offers from other clubs.
“That’s why I probably got more frustrated than I’d ever been because I’d explained to them that I wasn’t trying to get a better move or more money or anything like that,” Fraser added.
“It was purely a family situation. I get football is a business and you pay for players blah, blah, blah…
“I thought I made it clear and as professionally as I could that it was a family choice.
“But they accepted four or five offers from English clubs. I’d reiterated to them for the best part of a year, over a year, that I didn’t want any other English club.
“I wanted to go home.
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So we did the right thing and accepted offers, and he is still not happy, ffs.
It is not our fault that clubs in Scotland either did not come in for him, or offer enough money.
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What a bloody whinger. I could be away two days on the trot.Henry Irving said:Does he realise what the fans - who watch him and pay his hefty salary - have to do to pay the rent?8 -
I think it’s a bad look for club and him , I need to move back to Scotland for family reasons , I only want to go there .
Then our lot ignore that and tout to places where he’s not going ,yes he’s under contract but he’s clearly stated where he’s at .
Then when back in Scotland some nicer places abroad possibly want him and that sounds good and being back in Scotland isn’t the only option but fair enough he ends up back in Dundee his home town .
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NoNorthheathAddick said:So basically downed tools…!!!0 -
The club accepted offers that he'd already told them he didn't want and wouldn't accept.ElfsborgAddick said:And they accepted offers from other clubs.
“That’s why I probably got more frustrated than I’d ever been because I’d explained to them that I wasn’t trying to get a better move or more money or anything like that,” Fraser added.
“It was purely a family situation. I get football is a business and you pay for players blah, blah, blah…
“I thought I made it clear and as professionally as I could that it was a family choice.
“But they accepted four or five offers from English clubs. I’d reiterated to them for the best part of a year, over a year, that I didn’t want any other English club.
“I wanted to go home.
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So we did the right thing and accepted offers, and he is still not happy, ffs.
It is not our fault that clubs in Scotland either did not come in for him, or offer enough money.
He's not a piece of meat, he's a human being with a family.16 -
Struggle a bit to understand the mentality of people who go into professions like football, where rewards are high, but the chances of working down the road are slim. The point gets emphasised when I work away with young blokes who have young families, and have to be away for 5 days at a time. They literally can't afford to work local and rely on away work to make a living.
Totally understand it's not for everyone, but reckon a few of em need to get things in perspective4 -
Agree about that the relatively high wages are in part compensation for the travel and living away from home.Gribbo said:Struggle a bit to understand the mentality of people who go into professions like football, where rewards are high, but the chances of working down the road are slim. The point gets emphasised when I work away with young blokes who have young families, and have to be away for 5 days at a time. They literally can't afford to work local and rely on away work to make a living.
Totally understand it's not for everyone, but reckon a few of em need to get things in perspective
But in this case he's made a decision to move closer to home despite that probably being on lower wages.1 -
I understand what Fraser is saying but the reality of being a professional footballer and in his case being paid more that the Prime minister, is you can't always be that picky about playing in your home town.
No way did Jayden Stockley want to go back up north to Fleetwood or on to Port Vale but once it wasn't working out at CAFC and no decent offers to stay in the South, JS up sticks and went to the North West.
Now he is in the Potteries. When in 3 or 4 years time when Jayden quits he will relocate back to the south.
It feels that Fraser wants his Dundee cake and eat it !
For 'Journeyman' footballers that's not always possible, as it states in the Job title.
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Of course but the club did nothing wrong accepting bids and he did nothing wrong declining to sign with those clubsHenry Irving said:
The club accepted offers that he'd already told them he didn't want and wouldn't accept.ElfsborgAddick said:And they accepted offers from other clubs.
“That’s why I probably got more frustrated than I’d ever been because I’d explained to them that I wasn’t trying to get a better move or more money or anything like that,” Fraser added.
“It was purely a family situation. I get football is a business and you pay for players blah, blah, blah…
“I thought I made it clear and as professionally as I could that it was a family choice.
“But they accepted four or five offers from English clubs. I’d reiterated to them for the best part of a year, over a year, that I didn’t want any other English club.
“I wanted to go home.
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So we did the right thing and accepted offers, and he is still not happy, ffs.
It is not our fault that clubs in Scotland either did not come in for him, or offer enough money.
He's not a piece of meat, he's a human being with a family.4 -
A professional footballer on wages that most of us can only dream of, and then bleats on about being away from home.
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You only have a short career as a footballer.
Some will be motivated to be the best they can be and play as high as they can.
Some will not.
Hopefully we sign more of the former in future.7 -
Would love to know who the interested clubs in England were.Henry Irving said:1 -
Yeah, I was speaking more generally, to be honest. Fraser has probably done what a lot of trades do, thinking it’s going to cost him £100, £500, or £1000 a week to work near where he wants to live - which is fair enough. But I still think there’s a certain amount of naivety among higher paid individuals in general about what others have to do to make ends meet.Henry Irving said:
Agree about that the relatively high wages are in part compensation for the travel and living away from home.Gribbo said:Struggle a bit to understand the mentality of people who go into professions like football, where rewards are high, but the chances of working down the road are slim. The point gets emphasised when I work away with young blokes who have young families, and have to be away for 5 days at a time. They literally can't afford to work local and rely on away work to make a living.
Totally understand it's not for everyone, but reckon a few of em need to get things in perspective
But in this case he's made a decision to move closer to home despite that probably being on lower wages.0 -
Fuck him, absolute joke.
Scotland is hardly a million miles away is it? What if the clubs interested in him were places like Carlisle, Barrow, Fleetwood, Morecambe and Hartlepool?
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Given his comments, I would hope that it didn’t cost us anything to cancel his contract. I accept he’s a human being with a family but he’s not a kid, he’s a seasoned professional footballer. He knows what that entails, such as two away games in a week or moving clubs (often for his benefit in terms of wages). Has only signed a one year deal with Dundee. Maybe he’ll make an effort now he’s home.4
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Agree, he has that luxery when maybe others don't but on the other hand tradesmen can make a living into their 60s, most professional footballers are done by 35.Gribbo said:
Yeah, I was speaking more generally, to be honest. Fraser has probably done what a lot of trades do, thinking it’s going to cost him £100, £500, or £1000 a week to work near where he wants to live - which is fair enough. But I still think there’s a certain amount of naivety among higher paid individuals in general about what others have to do to make ends meet.Henry Irving said:
Agree about that the relatively high wages are in part compensation for the travel and living away from home.Gribbo said:Struggle a bit to understand the mentality of people who go into professions like football, where rewards are high, but the chances of working down the road are slim. The point gets emphasised when I work away with young blokes who have young families, and have to be away for 5 days at a time. They literally can't afford to work local and rely on away work to make a living.
Totally understand it's not for everyone, but reckon a few of em need to get things in perspective
But in this case he's made a decision to move closer to home despite that probably being on lower wages.
Work to live, don't live to work.
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So, could he not resign. Buy himself out of his contract & make himself a fee agent. I expect he could if he really wanted to. So family is everything.....until it's not. Another player having the club over a barrel.Henry Irving said:
The club accepted offers that he'd already told them he didn't want and wouldn't accept.ElfsborgAddick said:And they accepted offers from other clubs.
“That’s why I probably got more frustrated than I’d ever been because I’d explained to them that I wasn’t trying to get a better move or more money or anything like that,” Fraser added.
“It was purely a family situation. I get football is a business and you pay for players blah, blah, blah…
“I thought I made it clear and as professionally as I could that it was a family choice.
“But they accepted four or five offers from English clubs. I’d reiterated to them for the best part of a year, over a year, that I didn’t want any other English club.
“I wanted to go home.
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So we did the right thing and accepted offers, and he is still not happy, ffs.
It is not our fault that clubs in Scotland either did not come in for him, or offer enough money.
He's not a piece of meat, he's a human being with a family.
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He'll be at Wrexham next year.0
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And so will we cos our squads better than theirs (apparently)Hal1x said:He'll be at Wrexham next year in the Championship0 -
Not installing 6300A busbar we dont. I'm walking away from it at age 47 lolHenry Irving said:
Agree, he has that luxery when maybe others don't but on the other hand tradesmen can make a living into their 60s, most professional footballers are done by 35.Gribbo said:
Yeah, I was speaking more generally, to be honest. Fraser has probably done what a lot of trades do, thinking it’s going to cost him £100, £500, or £1000 a week to work near where he wants to live - which is fair enough. But I still think there’s a certain amount of naivety among higher paid individuals in general about what others have to do to make ends meet.Henry Irving said:
Agree about that the relatively high wages are in part compensation for the travel and living away from home.Gribbo said:Struggle a bit to understand the mentality of people who go into professions like football, where rewards are high, but the chances of working down the road are slim. The point gets emphasised when I work away with young blokes who have young families, and have to be away for 5 days at a time. They literally can't afford to work local and rely on away work to make a living.
Totally understand it's not for everyone, but reckon a few of em need to get things in perspective
But in this case he's made a decision to move closer to home despite that probably being on lower wages.
Work to live, don't live to work.
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I normally do find seeing the human side behind footballers' lives interesting but Fraser has come across really badly in that interview. I get the stuff about him being away a lot and his wife feeling isolated and wanting to go back to Scotland, but his comments about his frustration are pointed in the wrong direction. All this 'you're not listening to me' stuff is garbage; the club ultimately will have a price for any player and will accept an offer that meets that amount. After that it's up to the player to agree terms. If he doesn't want to go to that club then he doesn't have to but complaining about the club doing its job in accepting offers that meet their valuation and trying to get an unwanted player off the books is stupid. It's the job of the people at the club to do what they're doing. Maybe Fraser should have been talking to Scottish clubs, trying to persuade them to meet the asking price which I imagine was pretty low and agreeing to take a lower salary to get away. If you're not willing to do that then the 'frustration' has to be with yourself, or he could really have a think and wonder why no Scottish clubs were willing to pay a fee for him.His 'I get football is a business and you pay for players blah, blah, blah…' line makes him come across as pretty thick. He's very adamant he wanted to leave for family reasons but held out and no doubt negotiated himself a decent settlement with his contract. It's his right to do that but acting like the club were somehow in the wrong for trying to protect their finances as much as possible and offset a failed investment is painfully one-eyed. I also noticed that he sounded pretty wistful when talking about some interesting offers from abroad that he clearly would have liked to consider but wasn't able to because his wife wasn't having it. Let's hope Scott doesn't end up looking back on his career and thinking about the levels he could have reached or the opportunities elsewhere he missed out on11
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Always come across as a bit of a wanker, confi med it in this interview6
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TelMc32 said:Given his comments, I would hope that it didn’t cost us anything to cancel his contract. I accept he’s a human being with a family but he’s not a kid, he’s a seasoned professional footballer. He knows what that entails, such as two away games in a week or moving clubs (often for his benefit in terms of wages). Has only signed a one year deal with Dundee. Maybe he’ll make an effort now he’s home.
Probably only signed a one year contract so he can get a move abroad on a higher salary.
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Did Fraser offer to rip up his Charlton contract without any payoff?
That's the question I would be asking, as in this situation if the desire is to move to Scotland for personal reasons, then financial considerations shouldn't come into it.10 -
The club did nothing wrong, they are not responsible for which club’s geographically make offers for him. They can accept any bid that meets the threshold of what they were happy to accept, but Fraser ultimately still has the right to say no.
What did he expect the club to do if nobody from Scotland made bids?12 -
Who were the five English clubs mad enough to make a bid for him?!2
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We gave him the chance to go to Hearts. But they didnt want him back. What else can we do if other Scottish clubs weren't banging down the door?
Love the way the article says hes had 6 fruitful years in league one. Maybe he had an orchard?14
