Bowyer progress at Birmingham

Todds_right_hook said:

killerandflash said:

Bowyer was good for a couple of years, but then the weight of all the off field issues seemed to knock the stuffing out of him 

Relegation seemed to zap all of his confidence. I loved him up to that point and rated him as a manger. He was a different person the next year back in league 1 and I'm not sure if he got his mojo back at Birmingham. A year out of the game might have done him good.

if he does get back into management, I hope he does well. He gave us that day out at Wembley and a shot at the championship with all odds stacked against him.

Would agree with this.. But still believe he would have turned it around.. But I do think he had been beaten up!

DubaiCAFC said:

Todds_right_hook said:

killerandflash said:

Bowyer was good for a couple of years, but then the weight of all the off field issues seemed to knock the stuffing out of him 

Relegation seemed to zap all of his confidence. I loved him up to that point and rated him as a manger. He was a different person the next year back in league 1 and I'm not sure if he got his mojo back at Birmingham. A year out of the game might have done him good.

if he does get back into management, I hope he does well. He gave us that day out at Wembley and a shot at the championship with all odds stacked against him.

Would agree with this.. But still believe he would have turned it around.. But I do think he had been beaten up!

We would have almost definitely stayed up in the championship with him if we didn't have that injury crisis...

Todds_right_hook said:

killerandflash said:

Bowyer was good for a couple of years, but then the weight of all the off field issues seemed to knock the stuffing out of him 

Relegation seemed to zap all of his confidence. I loved him up to that point and rated him as a manger. He was a different person the next year back in league 1 and I'm not sure if he got his mojo back at Birmingham. A year out of the game might have done him good.

if he does get back into management, I hope he does well. He gave us that day out at Wembley and a shot at the championship with all odds stacked against him.

I’d argue that injury crisis he had to manage sapped his confidence. We and him never looked the same after that. 

Kap10 said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Todds_right_hook said:

killerandflash said:

Bowyer was good for a couple of years, but then the weight of all the off field issues seemed to knock the stuffing out of him 

Relegation seemed to zap all of his confidence. I loved him up to that point and rated him as a manger. He was a different person the next year back in league 1 and I'm not sure if he got his mojo back at Birmingham. A year out of the game might have done him good.

if he does get back into management, I hope he does well. He gave us that day out at Wembley and a shot at the championship with all odds stacked against him.

I’d argue that injury crisis he had to manage sapped his confidence. We and him never looked the same after that. 

To me it felt like something changed tactically with his teams afterwards, and there was a drop off in energy and performance levels. 

Not to mention dealing daily with the legend that is Duchatalet

Roland wasn't an issue as he let Bowyer get on with it.

It all went wrong for him after the ESI takeover, then the ownership farce that followed.

RC_CAFC said:

Bowyer reminds me a bit of Di Canio and Stuart Pearce as a manager. He can really get a team motivated in the short/even medium term. He can get them playing for the badge and he has some really good ideas. But I feel like he won’t ever have the longevity in a role that a Pep or a Klopp would have. 

Still our best manager since Powell and second best since Curbs though.

He was very Pep'esq that time he played Paul Smyth at RWB 😂😂😂

I really rated Bowyer, the end of the 2018/19 season was one of my best as a supporter, that team was quality and we played some great football. Injuries and the ownership messed him up and he clearly didn’t like what he saw with Sandgaard. Good luck to him. 

And lets not forget he offloaded Chuks to us. 

CH4RLTON said:

I think he deserves a shot at a club with a decent budget 

Probably true to be fair, but you'd think he could get at least a decent L1/Champ team to work with rather than Leeds. 

I think he's also got a bit of a reputation as a manager who comes in in tough situations to rally the troops, not someone to build a team with a decent budget just because of the situations he's always been in in his managerial career. Bit unfair probably as he's never had the chance to build a team how he wants with some budget to play with

ShootersHillGuru said:

If we’re looking at next managers for Leeds then Karl Robinson is probably ahead of him.

Is he? Robinson has only managed once at Championship level, back in 2015/16 and got relegated. Worse, he finished one place behind us and we were terrible. He's generally found himself at L1 level being just about unable to get out of the division. He was sacked by MK after they were relegated and then he failed to get Charlton promoted. In fact, after Robinson left, the improvement that came with Bowyer saw us sneak into the Play-Offs, and then Bowyer took us up the next season when he had a full run at it. After that Robinson did ok at Oxford but when his budget increased he didn't make as much progress as he should have, fell short in the play-offs and then took Oxford down towards the drop zone before being sacked. He came in as Allardyce's assistant and they got 1 point from 4 games as Leeds went down. Bowyer conversely has a more recent promotion on his CV and more recent Championship experience as well as being a Leeds legend.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Leeds saw something enough to appoint him assistant manager recently.

Probably more of an appointment picked by Allardyce

Same with Jackson picking Skiverton for us

HandG said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Leeds saw something enough to appoint him assistant manager recently.

Yep, they saw that Sammy Lee was on jury service so looked for a cheap available option….

Or probably worried he'd not be able to climb out of the dug-out with his little legs.

ElfsborgAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Interview podcast with Rich Cawley…

says Roland was upset when he got us promoted because it meant paying more in wages

said he still preferred Roland to Sandgaard because Roland didn’t care about the football while Sandgaard had people questioning everything

https://x.com/richcawleyslp/status/1765281324594606222?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g

The final paragraph is a worry.   I have always thought it was a land project for the Belgian.

He'll have us out of The Valley one day.

But RD did care when he took over - he got involved in transfers, team selection, chose managers etc.

By the time Bowyer was manager he was trying to sell the club and gave Bowyer and Gallen a lot more freedom compared to managers in the first few years of his ownership.

Scoham said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Interview podcast with Rich Cawley…

says Roland was upset when he got us promoted because it meant paying more in wages

said he still preferred Roland to Sandgaard because Roland didn’t care about the football while Sandgaard had people questioning everything

https://x.com/richcawleyslp/status/1765281324594606222?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g

The final paragraph is a worry.   I have always thought it was a land project for the Belgian.

He'll have us out of The Valley one day.

But RD did care when he took over - he got involved in transfers, team selection, chose managers etc.

By the time Bowyer was manager he was trying to sell the club and gave Bowyer and Gallen a lot more freedom compared to managers in the first few years of his ownership.

Once we got relegated from the Championship, he seemed to lose all active interest in running football clubs. No more network managers or players, and he seems to have been pretty hands off for a couple of years under Slade and Robinson  before Bowyer took over.

killerandflash said:

Scoham said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Interview podcast with Rich Cawley…

says Roland was upset when he got us promoted because it meant paying more in wages

said he still preferred Roland to Sandgaard because Roland didn’t care about the football while Sandgaard had people questioning everything

https://x.com/richcawleyslp/status/1765281324594606222?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g

The final paragraph is a worry.   I have always thought it was a land project for the Belgian.

He'll have us out of The Valley one day.

But RD did care when he took over - he got involved in transfers, team selection, chose managers etc.

By the time Bowyer was manager he was trying to sell the club and gave Bowyer and Gallen a lot more freedom compared to managers in the first few years of his ownership.

Once we got relegated from the Championship, he seemed to lose all active interest in running football clubs. No more network managers or players, and he seems to have been pretty hands off for a couple of years under Slade and Robinson  before Bowyer took over.

Agree, which is what I meant by comparing to his first few years of ownership.