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Why aren’t we all being offered an autumn Covid booster? We can’t let cost prevent us keeping Britain healthy
Sheena CruickshankThe JCVI’s statement indicates that it considers there is too much uncertainty regarding the significance of post-Covid syndromes – and these were not factored into the cost-benefit analysis. This is rather surprising given the numerous scientific studies that have shown the impact of long Covid on health. An estimated 2 million people in the UK live with long Covid – of whom approximately 700,000 developed the condition in the so-called “mild” era of Omicron. Evidence has also been accumulating of the increased risks of long-term conditions such as autoimmune diseases, type 1 diabetes and cardiovascular disease following Covid infection. Each subsequent reinfection with Covid poses a risk of post-Covid conditions – and reinfections in those who already have long Covid can worsen their symptoms and affect their overall recovery. All of this risk can be markedly reduced by vaccination.
Why aren’t we all being offered an autumn Covid booster? We can’t let cost prevent us keeping Britain healthy | Sheena Cruickshank | The Guardian
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When people are dying the majority will fall into line. As dreadful as Covid-19 was there is every possibility that the next pandemic will be worse.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Sadly I think the opposite will be the case, the amount of negativity post lockdown / vaccines will mean the general public will much more against any similar (and potentially) necessary measures.ShootersHillGuru said:Having a vaccination that could save your life is not living in fear any more than putting on a seat belt that might save your life. When the next pandemic comes which it will, the lessons learned from Covid in terms of treatments and community management will be invaluable. On a personal note, I have taken my latest vaccine invite but unless things change in the next year for the worse then I’ll give careful thought to any other Covid vaccination.0 -
Had my booster last Sunday and apart from a sudden and deep appreciation of Microsoft and feeling distinct unease after I get 15 mins from home, I’m fine.
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Actually I ran a much faster park run this week. What’s sort of “booster” is this??IAgree said:
Slightly sore arm for a couple of days and thats allIAgree said:Had my booster last Sunday and apart from a sudden and deep appreciation of Microsoft and feeling distinct unease after I get 15 mins from home, I’m fine.
Beats a hairdryer up the nose!2 -
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:3 -
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:3 -
If you mean do governments lie to us and conceal the truth then yes of course they do. All of them. That’s still a long way from EVERY government and 99.9% of the world’s medical scientific community including 99.9% of all doctors all lying to us.shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:4 -
OK, it's not confirmed... but with that in mind, the place it 100% started is no longer fact.Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
America knows and so does China.0 -
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?3 -
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Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?5 -
Only an anecdote but lots off from my school (staff mostly) with covid.
Obviously not to the same degree as previous years but still enough to be a cause for concern heading into the winter months.1 -
That's a shame, I hope you will still be able to play outsideSELR_addicks said:Only an anecdote but lots off from my school (staff mostly) with covid.
Obviously not to the same degree as previous years but still enough to be a cause for concern heading into the winter months.
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Knew I should've just put workplace.Covered End said:
That's a shame, I hope you will still be able to play outsideSELR_addicks said:Only an anecdote but lots off from my school (staff mostly) with covid.
Obviously not to the same degree as previous years but still enough to be a cause for concern heading into the winter months.10 -
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?3 -
You mean the same Americans that completely tell the complete truth about the JFK assassination being discussed on another thread ?shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:
You mean the same Americans that completely tell the complete truth about the JFK assassination being discussed on another thread ?shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Yeah them ones 👍
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But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?3 -
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
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I’m on your side with this one. Possibly not the greatest endorsement though is that President Trump also said it started in China and I don’t think his pointed remark was meant for the wet market. I don’t believe it’s a stretch to think a lab working on Covid right in the same city as where the virus started wasn’t responsible.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆2 -
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I'm not saying nobody knows. The Chinese almost certainly know but they're not telling. I'm saying we don't know, the US doesn't know and the UK doesn't know. They may suspect but there is no proof either way that is available to us or them. According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240 "most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted" and multiple agencies believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans. Others believe the lab leak theory.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
FWIW, I agree it's probably a stretch that a nearby covid lab wasn't involved but I'm just pointing out that this is still an unproven theory that is far from universally accepted.
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Oh boy. Not opening this thread again for a while 😂😂😂7
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That seems more likely than the Americans doing secret experiments in China.Rizzo said:
I'm not saying nobody knows. The Chinese almost certainly know but they're not telling. I'm saying we don't know, the US doesn't know and the UK doesn't know. They may suspect but there is no proof either way that is available to us or them. According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240 "most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted" and multiple agencies believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans. Others believe the lab leak theory.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
FWIW, I agree it's probably a stretch that a nearby covid lab wasn't involved but I'm just pointing out that this is still an unproven theory that is far from universally accepted.0 -
Unfortunately googling 'usa gain of function lab wuhan' shows it was a thing.Friend Or Defoe said:
That seems more likely than the Americans doing secret experiments in China.Rizzo said:
I'm not saying nobody knows. The Chinese almost certainly know but they're not telling. I'm saying we don't know, the US doesn't know and the UK doesn't know. They may suspect but there is no proof either way that is available to us or them. According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240 "most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted" and multiple agencies believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans. Others believe the lab leak theory.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
FWIW, I agree it's probably a stretch that a nearby covid lab wasn't involved but I'm just pointing out that this is still an unproven theory that is far from universally accepted.
But Just a very unfortunate coincidence.0 -
US based EcoHealth received $3.7m from the US government's National Institutes of Health (NIH), $600,000 of which was given to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.shine166 said:
Unfortunately googling 'usa gain of function lab wuhan' shows it was a thing.Friend Or Defoe said:
That seems more likely than the Americans doing secret experiments in China.Rizzo said:
I'm not saying nobody knows. The Chinese almost certainly know but they're not telling. I'm saying we don't know, the US doesn't know and the UK doesn't know. They may suspect but there is no proof either way that is available to us or them. According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240 "most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted" and multiple agencies believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans. Others believe the lab leak theory.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
FWIW, I agree it's probably a stretch that a nearby covid lab wasn't involved but I'm just pointing out that this is still an unproven theory that is far from universally accepted.
But Just a very unfortunate coincidence.
I think I read it differently to you unless I've missed something.2 -
It's a wuhan based gain of function lab funded by USA. Not really sure what the argument is ?Friend Or Defoe said:
US based EcoHealth received $3.7m from the US government's National Institutes of Health (NIH), $600,000 of which was given to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.shine166 said:
Unfortunately googling 'usa gain of function lab wuhan' shows it was a thing.Friend Or Defoe said:
That seems more likely than the Americans doing secret experiments in China.Rizzo said:
I'm not saying nobody knows. The Chinese almost certainly know but they're not telling. I'm saying we don't know, the US doesn't know and the UK doesn't know. They may suspect but there is no proof either way that is available to us or them. According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66005240 "most US intelligence agencies agree the virus was not genetically engineered or "laboratory-adapted" and multiple agencies believe the virus was transferred from animals to humans. Others believe the lab leak theory.shine166 said:
It's cute that you think nobody knows, but let's not make me out to be a nutter for using common sense. Not being able to use logic in situations like this is actually quite worrying.Rizzo said:
But now we're getting into real conspiracy theorist language by basically saying that any denial is just a cover up.shine166 said:
Oh they definitely know, but what do you think would be the outcome of telling the world that America pays the Chinese to experiment with this stuff ? You know, in the wuhan based lab that had many issues and warnings about safety.Rizzo said:
Well I'm sure you know better than a multitude of intelligence agencies.Manic_mania said:
are you for real? The lab was located in ground zero. I don't care how wet the market was. Fucking hell !Rizzo said:
You say some of the theories turn out to be true but then cite one that remains undetermined. The various US security and intelligence agencies can't come to an agreement on the most likely cause of the pandemic and I don't think the UK is any clearer. China is uncooperative so we're very unlikely to ever know the truth but the idea that it was a lab leak is still a theory, not a fact (as is the wet market).shine166 said:
Trouble is, some conspiracy theories actually turn out to be true. Everyone was far too busy believing this started in a market... rather than the lab 5 mins from the market that makes these kinda viruses with the USAs financial backing.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s classic we’re all being lied to by government about everything conspiracy stuff. What is never taken into consideration is that if we are being lied to about eg vaccines, and the war in Ukraine, then we’re looking at a conspiracy that takes in every government in the world, even the rogue ones and every doctor and scientist. For god sake, even Iran had a vaccine programme.Friend Or Defoe said:
On this very thread a poster moved on to Ukraine. 🤷🏻♂️Rizzo said:
It's a pattern we saw many times in the HoC threads, on various subjects. Conspiracy nutters post some crap they found online (#doingtheirresearch ), thinking it's a jolly impressive 'mic drop' moment but within minutes it's thoroughly debunked. Rather than think about why this keeps happening, they just move onto the next online crank, rinse and repeat.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
I can't even.. like... really?
Imagine thinking that the wuhan covid lab, in the same place that covid started.. is not likely to be the source of the global pandemic which killed and financially ruined millions..... but infact started because a bat was sold for meat and so happened to be infected by a never previously seen covid strain 5 mins donw the road 😆
FWIW, I agree it's probably a stretch that a nearby covid lab wasn't involved but I'm just pointing out that this is still an unproven theory that is far from universally accepted.
But Just a very unfortunate coincidence.
I think I read it differently to you unless I've missed something.1 -
$600k isn't state funding. For comparison they spent over $30bn on research for the covid vaccine.1
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I had the shingles vaccine yesterday.
For anybody interested it is not a ‘live’ vaccine, and requires two doses eight weeks apart.
Next one early January.0 -
I'm not surprised at the money in the covid vaccine, the apocalypse had started and there were profits to be made.Friend Or Defoe said:$600k isn't state funding. For comparison they spent over $30bn on research for the covid vaccine.
Without getting all fact twisty:
America 'donated' 600k to a lab
Said lab does gain of function research on bats
Said lab is in wuhan
Ground zero for covid is in wuhan
A bat in wuhan magically contracted covid
Global pandemic
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I heard it was a lone bat with no grassy knoll in proximity.shine166 said:
I'm not surprised at the money in the covid vaccine, the apocalypse had started and there were profits to be made.Friend Or Defoe said:$600k isn't state funding. For comparison they spent over $30bn on research for the covid vaccine.
Without getting all fact twisty:
America 'donated' 600k to a lab
Said lab does gain of function research on bats
Said lab is in wuhan
Ground zero for covid is in wuhan
A bat in wuhan magically contracted covid
Global pandemic2
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