How Likely Are You To Take The Covid Vaccine?

Covered End

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

FishCostaFortune

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

This is a very interesting study, and there is also some interesting points about vaccination and its effect on the severity of both Covid upon infection and long Covid in general - which is very on brand for recent discussion. 

*spoiler alert* the vaccine works *spoiler alert*

Maybe I’ve read the study wrong, but it sounds like the majority of people who have lasting symptoms recover within 12 weeks and those that don’t - the most common symptom is mild fatigue (which is very common after any viral infection). 

Those that do have symptoms lasting longer than 12 weeks, usually have 1 or more comorbidities and were infected with the wild strain before vaccines came about. 

As ever not to say some people, especially pre vaccine have suffered horribly from a Covid infection. But 4 years into this, the coming wave of Long Covid affecting and dooming society, as predicted by some quarters, does not appear to be materialising. 

Manic_mania

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

Does this study compare the effects of covid compared to other viral infections long term effects? I'm only asking becuase i don't hear of "long Flu" or "long shingles" for example - isn't it just what we have always known as post viral fatigue syndrome as opposed to something marketed as new and scary? 

Genuine question btw not a troll or conspiracy theory or anything

Jints

Wheresmeticket? said:

McBobbin said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

I love it when people use phrases like "ad hominem" instead of "personal".  If your argument doesn't hold water, using Latin might impress, eh?

Fair play, I used that earlier.

Mea culpa.

Et tu Brute?

Mange tout Rodney, mange tout.

DaveMehmet

seth plum said:

I have had all the injections when available and now I have turned into a lizard.

I’d get yourself to hospital and hooked up to a monitor if I were you.

FishCostaFortune

seth plum said:

I have had all the injections when available and now I have turned into a lizard.

Considering a lizards primary diet is meat based, I’m sorry to hear this Seth. 

ME14addick

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

No it doesn't,  but anyone not feeling well is asked not to work. If you have any symptoms but feel OK to work, then you should work at home.They don't want people going into the office if they have coughs, colds etc.

I haven't worn a mask for some time. I sometimes use hand sanitizer, but as Covid is spread by aerosol and not droplets as previously thought, it's a protection against other illnesses as well.

I have been to restaurants and had a holiday in a hotel a couple of months ago.

I have had every jab offered and to my knowledge have never had Covid. 

I still think it is too early to say we're out of the woods as far as Covid is concerned. The effects of other pandemics like the Spanish Flu of the last century, took many years to become apparent. 

Friend Or Defoe

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

If you compare covid deaths or Scandinavian countries you can spot the country that didn't have lockdown. Then look at excess deaths post vaccinations and lockdowns and it shows w success. Got a feeling that's not your point though...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

FishCostaFortune

Friend Or Defoe said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

If you compare covid deaths or Scandinavian countries you can spot the country that didn't have lockdown. Then look at excess deaths post vaccinations and lockdowns and it shows w success. Got a feeling that's not your point though...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

I’m not here to dispute if lockdowns were right or wrong, because in my mind pre vaccine they 100% were.

But since Covid Sweden actually has the second lowest all causes excess death rates out of the Nordic countries compared to previously:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=SWE~DNK~FIN~NOR~ISL

What I’ve learnt from these past few years is that stats from one data set don’t really tell any sort of story. And as Kigella succinctly pointed out a page or so back - researching evidence is so much more complicated than people think. 

Manic_mania

i really hate that phrase.. "excess deaths" 

many things I hate about covid but that is the biggest one.

Friend Or Defoe

FishCostaFortune said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

If you compare covid deaths or Scandinavian countries you can spot the country that didn't have lockdown. Then look at excess deaths post vaccinations and lockdowns and it shows w success. Got a feeling that's not your point though...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

I’m not here to dispute if lockdowns were right or wrong, because in my mind pre vaccine they 100% were.

But since Covid Sweden actually has the second lowest all causes excess death rates out of the Nordic countries compared to previously:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=SWE~DNK~FIN~NOR~ISL

What I’ve learnt from these past few years is that stats from one data set don’t really tell any sort of story. And as Kigella succinctly pointed out a page or so back - researching evidence is so much more complicated than people think. 

They look around the same now. Iceland is more volatile due to it's small population. Can clearly see the large Swedish spike during the pandemic.

. 

JaShea99

ME14addick said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

No it doesn't,  but anyone not feeling well is asked not to work. If you have any symptoms but feel OK to work, then you should work at home.They don't want people going into the office if they have coughs, colds etc.

I haven't worn a mask for some time. I sometimes use hand sanitizer, but as Covid is spread by aerosol and not droplets as previously thought, it's a protection against other illnesses as well.

I have been to restaurants and had a holiday in a hotel a couple of months ago.

I have had every jab offered and to my knowledge have never had Covid. 

I still think it is too early to say we're out of the woods as far as Covid is concerned. The effects of other pandemics like the Spanish Flu of the last century, took many years to become apparent. 

How selfish. The pandemic isn’t over you know.

ShootersHillGuru

ME14addick said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

No it doesn't,  but anyone not feeling well is asked not to work. If you have any symptoms but feel OK to work, then you should work at home.They don't want people going into the office if they have coughs, colds etc.

I haven't worn a mask for some time. I sometimes use hand sanitizer, but as Covid is spread by aerosol and not droplets as previously thought, it's a protection against other illnesses as well.

I have been to restaurants and had a holiday in a hotel a couple of months ago.

I have had every jab offered and to my knowledge have never had Covid. 

I still think it is too early to say we're out of the woods as far as Covid is concerned. The effects of other pandemics like the Spanish Flu of the last century, took many years to become apparent. 

The massive difference this time around is that there is an enormous world wide data set on Covid that will be pawed over by researchers for decades. We’ve never had the opportunity to dissect a new disease in such minute detail before. 

Manic_mania

Manic_mania said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

Does this study compare the effects of covid compared to other viral infections long term effects? I'm only asking becuase i don't hear of "long Flu" or "long shingles" for example - isn't it just what we have always known as post viral fatigue syndrome as opposed to something marketed as new and scary? 

Genuine question btw not a troll or conspiracy theory or anything

is this a bad question? am i being ignored? it's a real question - Shooter? Anyone?

FishCostaFortune

Friend Or Defoe said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

If you compare covid deaths or Scandinavian countries you can spot the country that didn't have lockdown. Then look at excess deaths post vaccinations and lockdowns and it shows w success. Got a feeling that's not your point though...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

I’m not here to dispute if lockdowns were right or wrong, because in my mind pre vaccine they 100% were.

But since Covid Sweden actually has the second lowest all causes excess death rates out of the Nordic countries compared to previously:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=SWE~DNK~FIN~NOR~ISL

What I’ve learnt from these past few years is that stats from one data set don’t really tell any sort of story. And as Kigella succinctly pointed out a page or so back - researching evidence is so much more complicated than people think. 

They look around the same now. Iceland is more volatile due to it's small population. Can clearly see the large Swedish spike during the pandemic.

. 

Maybe this website and data set if you want to look through it will be more helpful:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics#Recent_data_on_excess_mortality_in_the_EU

Yes Sweden had two big peaks - but since July 2021 - you will see Sweden has constantly trended lower overall then all the other Nordic countries - and at the moment that trend does not look like changing.

Why do you think that might be? 

Covered End

ME14addick said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

No it doesn't,  but anyone not feeling well is asked not to work. If you have any symptoms but feel OK to work, then you should work at home.They don't want people going into the office if they have coughs, colds etc.

I haven't worn a mask for some time. I sometimes use hand sanitizer, but as Covid is spread by aerosol and not droplets as previously thought, it's a protection against other illnesses as well.

I have been to restaurants and had a holiday in a hotel a couple of months ago.

I have had every jab offered and to my knowledge have never had Covid. 

I still think it is too early to say we're out of the woods as far as Covid is concerned. The effects of other pandemics like the Spanish Flu of the last century, took many years to become apparent. 

Excellent news.

Covered End

Friend Or Defoe said:

Covered End said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

ME14 does your work place still have Covid protocols in place?
Do you still take Covid procedures indoors & outdoors such as mask wearing, hand gels, avoiding indoor public places such as restaurants & pubs? 

If you compare covid deaths or Scandinavian countries you can spot the country that didn't have lockdown. Then look at excess deaths post vaccinations and lockdowns and it shows w success. Got a feeling that's not your point though...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113834/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-nordics/

You're quite right.
My reason for asking was nothing to do with Scandanavia. I can safely say Scandanavia hadn't entered my head.
I was wondering if ME14 had returned to a "pre covid lifestyle" and she has which is really great news.

kigelia

Manic_mania said:

Manic_mania said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

Does this study compare the effects of covid compared to other viral infections long term effects? I'm only asking becuase i don't hear of "long Flu" or "long shingles" for example - isn't it just what we have always known as post viral fatigue syndrome as opposed to something marketed as new and scary? 

Genuine question btw not a troll or conspiracy theory or anything

is this a bad question? am i being ignored? it's a real question - Shooter? Anyone?

Only read the abstract but looks like it is solely looking at impacts of Covid infection not comparing post viral symptoms of different infections.

I haven’t looked so don’t know if there is any such work but I think it would be a difficult study to design and make conclusions from.

Personally I think a lot of long Covid symptoms will end up link to lockdown rather than the virus itself. Although again it will be difficult to separate the two until we start examining and comparing long covid type symptoms during and post lockdown periods. 

Manic_mania

kigelia said:

Manic_mania said:

Manic_mania said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

Does this study compare the effects of covid compared to other viral infections long term effects? I'm only asking becuase i don't hear of "long Flu" or "long shingles" for example - isn't it just what we have always known as post viral fatigue syndrome as opposed to something marketed as new and scary? 

Genuine question btw not a troll or conspiracy theory or anything

is this a bad question? am i being ignored? it's a real question - Shooter? Anyone?

Only read the abstract but looks like it is solely looking at impacts of Covid infection not comparing post viral symptoms of different infections.

I haven’t looked so don’t know if there is any such work but I think it would be a difficult study to design and make conclusions from.

Personally I think a lot of long Covid symptoms will end up link to lockdown rather than the virus itself. Although again it will be difficult to separate the two until we start examining and comparing long covid type symptoms during and post lockdown periods. 

thank you for at least answering 

Manic_mania

it isn't a difficult question that i'm asking. Shooters?

long covid - post viral fatigue syndrome - the difference please?

buckshee

I had the jab, then the booster and the second booster, mostly because around this time I had gall bladder issues resulting in a spell in hospital with pancreatitis. 

I have not had a jab since yet despite going in and out of local authority housing day in day out since Covid started and even sleeping in the same bed as my wife when she apparently had it to the best of my knowledge I’ve not caught it. 

If people want to spend the rest of their lives living in fear then that’s up to them I guess but I can tell you for certain I won’t be bothering with any more jabs. 

ShootersHillGuru

Manic_mania said:

Manic_mania said:

ME14addick said:

buckshee said:

ME14addick said:

Strange that some people are willing to think that a vaccine is the cause of their ill health, but refuse to consider that it might be the virus itself that has caused their health to deteriorate.

SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus and less than 4 years in circulation, it's far too soon to be able to rule out that it won't cause illness in future, in those who have had a Covid infection.

This week's revelations from the Covid Inquiry are breath taking and it should really result in charges against those who caused far too many unnecessary deaths by their dreadful decisions and indecision.

Also strange that people think the main reason for their ill health is Covid rather than their poor health levels in the first place. 

Also strange that our government and others worldwide would rather lecture people on the benefits of a almost totally untested vaccine than on the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle and that just simply taking vitamin D may well help. 

The following is a very large study on Long Covid.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41879-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

There are numerous studies into the effects of Covid on the body. Many previously healthy people have suffered very badly after a Covid infection.

Does this study compare the effects of covid compared to other viral infections long term effects? I'm only asking becuase i don't hear of "long Flu" or "long shingles" for example - isn't it just what we have always known as post viral fatigue syndrome as opposed to something marketed as new and scary? 

Genuine question btw not a troll or conspiracy theory or anything

is this a bad question? am i being ignored? it's a real question - Shooter? Anyone?

@Manic_mania Post viral syndrome is a well established but not well understood condition. Just like with long Covid, which is essentially the same it affects different people in different ways. Although post viral conditions are not dismissed by the medical profession there is not a worldwide set of studies with a data set on the scale available to researchers that is available with Covid. We won’t know just what effect or the severity compared to other post viral illnesses Covid has. It will be decades before the mist clears on this.

ME14addick

Manic_mania said:

it isn't a difficult question that i'm asking. Shooters?

long covid - post viral fatigue syndrome - the difference please?

It may well be post viral syndrome, but because of the sheer numbers of Covid infections, far more people will be affected than for other viruses.

This is a good summary of Long Covid by Sheen Cruickshank PhD, who works in the Division of Immunology, Immunity to Infection and Respiratory Medicine at the University of Manchester.

Original link deleted as it showed my email address but if you google Sheena Cruickshank who writes on Substack, I'm sure you can find her writing on Long Covid.

ME14addick

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ME14addick

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/07/covid-19-uk-variants-testing-monitoring-drugs

Article by Sheena Cruickshank in the Guardian

Super_Eddie_Youds

buckshee said:

I had the jab, then the booster and the second booster, mostly because around this time I had gall bladder issues resulting in a spell in hospital with pancreatitis. 

I have not had a jab since yet despite going in and out of local authority housing day in day out since Covid started and even sleeping in the same bed as my wife when she apparently had it to the best of my knowledge I’ve not caught it. 

If people want to spend the rest of their lives living in fear then that’s up to them I guess but I can tell you for certain I won’t be bothering with any more jabs. 

Why does it necessarily follow that people who intend to have another jab are living in fear?

ShootersHillGuru

Having a vaccination that could save your life is not living in fear any more than putting on a seat belt that might save your life. When the next pandemic comes which it will, the lessons learned from Covid in terms of treatments and community management will be invaluable. On a personal note, I have taken my latest vaccine invite but unless things change in the next year for the worse then I’ll give careful thought to any other Covid vaccination. 

killerandflash

When I go on holiday to more exotic locations, I always make sure my jabs are up to date. Polio, Diphtheria, Hepatitis A etc

Common sense precautions, not fear of any of those diseases

Stig

buckshee said:

I had the jab, then the booster and the second booster, mostly because around this time I had gall bladder issues resulting in a spell in hospital with pancreatitis. 

I have not had a jab since yet despite going in and out of local authority housing day in day out since Covid started and even sleeping in the same bed as my wife when she apparently had it to the best of my knowledge I’ve not caught it. 

If people want to spend the rest of their lives living in fear then that’s up to them I guess but I can tell you for certain I won’t be bothering with any more jabs. 

Sorry, but I'm just not getting the logic in your final sentence. If some people feel that by taking the vaccine they are enabled to do things that they might not without it, that's not living in fear that's being liberated from fear.

I would add though, that's not how I feel personally. I've got to a kind of 'take it or leave it stage'. If the NHS offers it, I will take it on the grounds that it's the medical profession's opinion of the best thing to do. If I don't come up on their invite list, I won't personally be that bothered and certainly won't be knocking on any doors asking for it.

I can see that for some people with other medical conditions though, getting the vaccine would give them licence to do things that may otherwise be too risky. It is a wonder of medical science that their fears could be diminished or even eliminated thanks to the vaccine. 

Stu_of_Kunming

ShootersHillGuru said:

Having a vaccination that could save your life is not living in fear any more than putting on a seat belt that might save your life. When the next pandemic comes which it will, the lessons learned from Covid in terms of treatments and community management will be invaluable. On a personal note, I have taken my latest vaccine invite but unless things change in the next year for the worse then I’ll give careful thought to any other Covid vaccination. 

Sadly I think the opposite will be the case, the amount of negativity post lockdown / vaccines will mean the general public will much more against any similar (and potentially) necessary measures.