Just Stop Oil protestors.....

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

I'm not sure what the average age of a CL lifer is, but we're a bit old to be having awkward discussions about the birds and bees aren't we? 🤔

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

seth plum said:

And all hail the clear increase in vegan and vegetarian consumption judging by the way the shelves have changed in the shops in recent years.
(Some of the offerings of the veggie/vegan 'manufacturers' are rank mind you).

Setting aside our differences for a second, what should I be looking for that might tempt me to try more. My wife once told me we'd be divorcing if I ever served her Linda McCartney's sausages again, which were like cardboard, but most things I've  tried since have been better, some alarmingly worse, the texture like I don't know what.

We'll have been married 20 years on Thursday, no thanks to those  sausages.

bexleyaddick said:

PaddyP17 said:

On a wider note, sharing stuff like bexleyaddick has shared and saying "I'm not saying this but here's some balance" is so WILDLY dangerous and misinformative.

THIS IS NOT BALANCE.

This sort of "balance" is "ahh for balance, here's some sources saying the Moon landing was faked" and going straight into the flag fluttering nonsense. 

I have zero tolerance for this and even if the poster is trying to qualify it by saying "oh but I don't necessarily agree" - THEN DON'T SHARE IT!

As it also is when people with no qualifications saying man made climate change is undeniable.... why shouldn't I post articles that are relevant to the topic, are you suggesting that we should only post items that suit our own agenda?
I'm sure we would all welcome renewables as our only source of power but it IS a fact that they currently cannot supply the level of energy needed to run our infrastructure and no level of investment can provide an iron clad guarantee that we will ever be able to harness enough from that source. And thats before we all have to convert to electric vehicles, so what will we do when all the oil and gas reserves have run out and we still don't have sufficient power from renewables? 

What are you on about? Man made climate change is about as deniable as gravity.

And I called out your articles how I did because with a pretty quick check, you can see whether something is misinformative or not. I've taken the time to call out the GB News video and the Clintel "declaration" because they are so obviously at odds with the scientific consensus:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change 
- https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2774
- https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 
- https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/ 

I haven't got an agenda beyond not wanting the planet to die. This is a universal agenda and this is why - in my opinion - we cannot, even for one second, tolerate views that run contrary to this.

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As for what you say about renewables: yes!!! You're absolutely right! Bang on! We cannot provide all of it right now. But, like, we HAVE TO try. We absolutely have to. Otherwise we seal our fates.

As for those who are criticising my tone and rhetoric - shall I dig out that MLK quote again? "... [the person] who is more devoted to order than justice [...] who constantly says, 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods[.]"

swordfish said:

seth plum said:

And all hail the clear increase in vegan and vegetarian consumption judging by the way the shelves have changed in the shops in recent years.
(Some of the offerings of the veggie/vegan 'manufacturers' are rank mind you).

Setting aside our differences for a second, what should I be looking for that might tempt me to try more. My wife once told me we'd be divorcing if I ever served her Linda McCartney's sausages again, which were like cardboard, but most things I've  tried since have been better, some alarmingly worse, the texture like I don't know what.

We'll have been married 20 years on Thursday, no thanks to those  sausages.

Intensively farming anything is bad for the planet, due to yhe demand from over population.

Eat ethically produced stuff and you won't go far wrong. Better still, if you've got the time and space, grow and harvest your own produce.

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

Oh please ffs!!!! Why are you making non racist comments all about race!

Because the original comment was 'Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white.'. 

What else is that supposed to mean? 

Paddy bruv, you're not going to win this argument either. I know you have all the facts and the science on your side, and the person providing 'balance' is somewhere between a crackpot and a petrochemical lobbyist, but this isn't about facts or science, it's about fuck you namby-pamby do-gooders. Paddy, the culture war; the culture war, Paddy. You've met, I presume? 

PaddyP17 said:

bexleyaddick said:

PaddyP17 said:

On a wider note, sharing stuff like bexleyaddick has shared and saying "I'm not saying this but here's some balance" is so WILDLY dangerous and misinformative.

THIS IS NOT BALANCE.

This sort of "balance" is "ahh for balance, here's some sources saying the Moon landing was faked" and going straight into the flag fluttering nonsense. 

I have zero tolerance for this and even if the poster is trying to qualify it by saying "oh but I don't necessarily agree" - THEN DON'T SHARE IT!

As it also is when people with no qualifications saying man made climate change is undeniable.... why shouldn't I post articles that are relevant to the topic, are you suggesting that we should only post items that suit our own agenda?
I'm sure we would all welcome renewables as our only source of power but it IS a fact that they currently cannot supply the level of energy needed to run our infrastructure and no level of investment can provide an iron clad guarantee that we will ever be able to harness enough from that source. And thats before we all have to convert to electric vehicles, so what will we do when all the oil and gas reserves have run out and we still don't have sufficient power from renewables? 

What are you on about? Man made climate change is about as deniable as gravity.

And I called out your articles how I did because with a pretty quick check, you can see whether something is misinformative or not. I've taken the time to call out the GB News video and the Clintel "declaration" because they are so obviously at odds with the scientific consensus:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change 
- https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2774
- https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 
- https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/executive-summary/ 

I haven't got an agenda beyond not wanting the planet to die. This is a universal agenda and this is why - in my opinion - we cannot, even for one second, tolerate views that run contrary to this.

---------------

As for what you say about renewables: yes!!! You're absolutely right! Bang on! We cannot provide all of it right now. But, like, we HAVE TO try. We absolutely have to. Otherwise we seal our fates.

As for those who are criticising my tone and rhetoric - shall I dig out that MLK quote again? "... [the person] who is more devoted to order than justice [...] who constantly says, 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods[.]"

I disagree, climate change is undeniable, yes, but most of us are simply not qualified to say for sure that it is man made and not cyclical. I said that I did not completely agree with Mr. Catt because I personally am yet to be convinced about the actual cause, but he IS absolutely correct about renewables and the present infrastructure being insufficient as things stand.

And for the record I've never said we shouldn't try to find a way of securing sufficient energy from renewables, in an ideal world thats surely what we all wish for, but in my opinion we shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot by discarding fossil fuels completely. I'm confident that in time the technology will exist to rely completely on renewables but that could be decades away, and we don't have decades worth of oil and gas reserves, in the meantime I'd suggest that we need to keep our reserves up to maintain the supply during the transition, however long it is, and as things progress we will hopefully need to rely on them less and less. 

I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but to compare me with a moon landing denier or flat earther is simply ridiculous.....   

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

Oh please ffs!!!! Why are you making non racist comments all about race!

Good old SELR. He is a strange one but he is our strange one.

A point about population: birth rate reductions tend to lag behind infant mortality reductions by a few decades. Family sizes in Asian countries will naturally reduce given time and widespread healthcare, but there is an overlap of lower infant mortality and larger families. The Western world has been through it already. Asia is next. 

And American Christian radicals will still be having eight kids for ideological reasons, powering their McMansions with enough energy to supply a rock concert, burning an oilfield a year in each of their fucking Humvees, eating a steak the size of a pillow every night, and all contributing to by far the bigger problem: overconsumption

Leuth said:

bexleyaddick said:

Leuth said:

It's the timescale that's pointing to this climate change being manmade. What used to take millennia is taking decades.

Also the fact we're pumping CO2 into the skies, chopping down rainforests and breeding countless cattle. Caught somewhat red-handed, wouldn't you say

This could well be the case, if true its a shot in the arm for the man made case.
I too deplore the deforestation, not just because it could be contributing to climate change, but also for the loss of all that amazing wildlife.
I'm not sure I agree about the countless cattle argument though, before man started hunting them on a large scale a couple of hundred years ago there were literally millions of wild buffalo roaming the USA, just to mention one continent, Imagine the methane produced there.

According to Stats of 2022, the Number of Cows Worldwide Is Over 1 Billion (US Department of Agriculture, FAO) Of the hundreds of cows or cattle species worldwide, there are an estimated 1 billion cows spread across the world. Some estimate this number to be even higher, with the Food and Agriculture Organizational. 23 Feb 2023

Also, these are not wild buffalo. These are selectively bred, intensively fed meat tanks

Whether they are bred or wild, they still produce the same amount of methane, I'm simply pointing out that before they were hunted on a huge scale there were probably billions of wild animals across the world producing an equal amount of methane. 
Wouldn't there have to be deforestation on a huge scale if we were all to stop eating meat and feed the world on a plant based diet? 

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

Oh please ffs!!!! Why are you making non racist comments all about race!

Because the original comment was 'Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white.'. 

What else is that supposed to mean? 

For context, you should have copied all of blackpools post. You missed the last bit which is the important bit but I think you know that which is why you ignored it.

you are making something that someone said as a non racist comment into a racist comment and I can't be arsed with being dragged down low to a debate of that nature so I'm off to bed. Night x

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

Oh please ffs!!!! Why are you making non racist comments all about race!

Because the original comment was 'Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white.'. 

What else is that supposed to mean? 

Surely you know what he means? What is this new trend of playing dumb when you don’t agree with someone and making them spell out something you know very well instead of engaging in debate? We all know what the barriers to birth control are in certain countries - religion, education, poverty, just to name a few.

I was of the impression that the population in a lot of countries, even China is decreasing year on year.  It’s certainly true of Japan, Italy and Russia.  I can’t speak for India, haven’t seen the stats.

The other big challenge is that a lot of emerging nations in Africa struggle to afford to ‘go green’ and it’s more affordable for them to use energy made of fossil fuels.  This has been raised a lot at various climate conferences over the last few years, and to go green they need subsidies.  None of the rich nations are actually looking to do anything about this given the likely cost and most of it is lip service, with some money having been stumped up so far, by the likes of the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development 

Ultimately we have a problem that can only be solved by scrapping everything we’ve ever known on a societal level when it comes advancing the human race, progress and as Leuth said, consumption.  It’s all we’ve ever done.  We don’t know how to live without consuming, and that consumption has gotten faster and faster, and we’re now hitting terminal velocity in terms of what that looks like for the planet.  We must keep trying, but it’s not looking good and I expect the next few decades will be about mitigation of climate change, rather than stopping it.  Expect more flooding, droughts, rises in sea levels, as well smart arse comments on social media by people it doesn’t directly impact, yet.  

SELR_addicks said:

JaShea99 said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

Todds_right_hook said:

SELR_addicks said:

blackpool72 said:

R0TW said:

The guess is that there were 4 billion in 1974.
There are 8 billion now.
Is there a trend here?

This is quite simply the biggest threat to the planet. 
Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white. 
So any debate about doing something about it is shouted down as being racist. 

Most of the world is non-white. Some weird comments on this thread. 

What debate do you want to have, kill off the minorities? 

I think @blackpool72 point has just been proven!! 

You've even highlighted his text but not once does he say he wants to debate killing off the minorities. In fact, he doesn't mention killing!!!!

I took the comment as educating on birth control, you took it as ethnic cleansing. I wonder who the weird one is

Why do you assume that non-whites don't understand what birth control is? I'm definitely aware of who the weird ones are. 

Oh please ffs!!!! Why are you making non racist comments all about race!

Because the original comment was 'Trouble is the countries that's population is increasing out of control are non white.'. 

What else is that supposed to mean? 

Surely you know what he means? What is this new trend of playing dumb when you don’t agree with someone and making them spell out something you know very well instead of engaging in debate? We all know what the barriers to birth control are in certain countries - religion, education, poverty, just to name a few.

I agree, America with their banning of abortion would be one of those countries. So I think the race comment was needless when you're making a global comment about birth rates and barriers to birth control. 

google countries with the highest growing populations and post what the top four countries! Does that make google racist? Jashea summed it up perfectly but you still want to make it all about race and that's out of order