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Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?
Wouldn't put it past Ronaldo. His coca cola comments/ moving the bottles off the table suggest he has a bit about him.
Again though it's not incumbent on everyone to protest....my point is if you do want to then do it properly rather than half arsed. i.e. dont hold yourself out as a proponent of equality in a comfortable arena to lap up the kudos and then stay silent when it counts and when there is absolutely no threat to your safety/ well being or even career prospects.
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Captain should wear it, if he gets booked pass it onto another player, he gets booked, passes it on etc just to show what a farce it is.Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?7 -
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He's a good shout, definitely doesn't seem to bothered about all fall out! Whoever does it first no doubt loads will follow afterwards. Surely as a player you would want to be the first to do it?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?
Wouldn't put it past Ronaldo. His coca cola comments/ moving the bottles off the table suggest he has a bit about him.
Again though it's not incumbent on everyone to protest....my point is if you do want to then do it properly rather than half arsed. i.e. dont hold yourself out as a proponent of equality in a comfortable arena to lap up the kudos and then stay silent when it counts and when there is absolutely no threat to your safety/ well being or even career prospects.2 -
That is goodMrOneLung said:
Captain should wear it, if he gets booked pass it onto another player, he gets booked, passes it on etc just to show what a farce it is.Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?0 -
This has all gone a bit bonkers but if they were that desperate to make a visible stand without being punished then similarly to doing the knee taking before kick off (which FIFA have accepted) a team should lay on the floor and spell out the letters LOVE.(You’d need 12 players)4
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Personally though I think they should all just play football now3
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Arm band inspections before the games to make sure they're FIFA authorised.
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They should wear a different armband from their HistoryFriend Or Defoe said:
Arm band inspections before the games to make sure they're FIFA authorised.
See if any fuss would be created by FIFA or officials0 -
should form a "monks chain" in the centre circle. That'll show em.0
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Harry?McBobbin said:should form a "monks chain" in the centre circle. That'll show em.1 -
Easy for us as straight males to say that though.AFKABartram said:Personally though I think they should all just play football now0 -
Easy for us all to sit and say Kane should do this and do that. The bloke is there to play football.Croydon said:
Easy for us as straight males to say that though.AFKABartram said:Personally though I think they should all just play football now7 -
Dullard. Haven’t heard that for years.palarsehater said:
well I'm not am I dullardThe Red Robin said:
You’re saying that identifying as LGBTQ+ has to stop at the clothes you wear. That’s clutching at straws and it’s a ridiculous statement. At least I’m only pretending to be thick.palarsehater said:
your deliberately acting thick so not clutching at anything, got until the 18th december to voice daily how outraged you are - enjoy the wcThe Red Robin said:
Clutching at straws there.palarsehater said:
identifying - not wearing LGBTQ+ associated clothing, in fairness a few people have been told they cant wear it on the box haven't been slung in prisonThe Red Robin said:
That’s a no then. FIFA has never explicitly banned any rainbow clothing for this World Cup. In fact, the Qatar organising committee for this World Cup said in June:palarsehater said:
really not worth the time to explain for the 5th time - enjoy your dayThe Red Robin said:
Did FIFA say fans couldn’t wear clothes with rainbow patterns on then?palarsehater said:
no your doing some mental gymnastics there as i clearly said RAINBOW bucket hat and the person wearing it was deliberately wearing it to get a reaction.SELR_addicks said:
I find it funny the mental gymnastics people manage to throw to make sure they oppose any protests, regardless of what it is or what it is for.palarsehater said:rainbow items are used as symbols of LGBTQ+ people we all know that, qatar and many of the middle east it is illegal to be homosexual. so its not just because its a rainbow its someone wearing to be provocative and cause a stir, whether that's right or wrong that's the laws of the country and has been for many years.
so the welsh fan wearing said bucket hat has paid to travel to qatar, paid ticket money to go to a stadium in qatar, bought food and drink in qatar.
as i said earlier i have 0 interest in visiting the place as i dont agree with there laws and practices and think they are backwards. i dont agree with the burkha in england as we arent a sharia country - but then im labelled racist?.
Bucket hats are now 'provocative' and deserving of bans.
i dont oppose protests at all unless its some cnut blocking the m25 - but playing look how bad qatar is its a sharia state country where its quite clearly illegal to promote or be homosexual - wearing a rainbow that is synonymous with the LGBTQ+ community is going to cause offence/issues to the natives of qatar who likely believe in these views, the authorities will also act.
‘Everyone will be welcome to Qatar in 2022, regardless of their race, background, religion, gender, sexual orientation or nationality.’
And FIFA said:
‘Based on our engagement with the relevant Qatari authorities, and following existing government guarantees, and the event-specific legislation, as well as our experience of hosting other events in Qatar, Fifa is confident that persons identifying as LGBTIQ+ will not face any repercussions…’
I'm stating that in Qatar ( for the 6th time ) promoting a rainbow type design that is synonymous with the LGBT community is going to cause problems.
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ValleyGary said:
Easy for us all to sit and say Kane should do this and do that. The bloke is there to play football.Croydon said:
Easy for us as straight males to say that though.AFKABartram said:Personally though I think they should all just play football now
I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the rainbow laces then and the meaningless virtue signalling and preaching in England each season where it's really not required.
(Not singling Kane out, just all of them in general. It's a meaningless gesture in England if the team won't risk a yellow card by doing it in Qatar).
Agree...just play football and stop the empty gestures in England where it's really not required in this day and age given most people's attitudes and legislation in place.
They'll all be donning rainbow laces and corner flags in England next year and all the corporate shithouses will have banners up on their websites in the West again yet silence where it matters.
All very meaningless and as much genuine solidarity as a Charlton back 4.3 -
Footballers do a lot of good for their community and charity. Long may it continue.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63728904
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I get the campaigns like rainbow laces, bringing awareness etc. But lets face it, do they REALLY care that much. I doubt Kane is that filled in about the LGBT community and its problems. They're all sound bites at the end of the day.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:ValleyGary said:
Easy for us all to sit and say Kane should do this and do that. The bloke is there to play football.Croydon said:
Easy for us as straight males to say that though.AFKABartram said:Personally though I think they should all just play football now
I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the rainbow laces then and the meaningless virtue signalling and preaching in England each season where it's really not required.
(Not singling Kane out, just all of them in general. It's a meaningless gesture in England if the team won't risk a yellow card by doing it in Qatar).
Agree...just play football and stop the empty gestures in England where it's really not required in this day and age given most people's attitudes and legislation in place.
They'll all be donning rainbow laces and corner flags in England next year and all the corporate shithouses will have banners up on their websites in the West again yet silence where it matters.
All very meaningless and as much genuine solidarity as a Charlton back 4.
Expecting the guy to potentially get suspended from the biggest stage of his career just seems excessive to me.0 -
Exactly my point. Meaningless virtue signallingValleyGary said:
I get the campaigns like rainbow laces, bringing awareness etc. But lets face it, do they REALLY care that much. I doubt Kane is that filled in about the LGBT community and its problems. They're all sound bites at the end of the day.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:ValleyGary said:
Easy for us all to sit and say Kane should do this and do that. The bloke is there to play football.Croydon said:
Easy for us as straight males to say that though.AFKABartram said:Personally though I think they should all just play football now
I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the rainbow laces then and the meaningless virtue signalling and preaching in England each season where it's really not required.
(Not singling Kane out, just all of them in general. It's a meaningless gesture in England if the team won't risk a yellow card by doing it in Qatar).
Agree...just play football and stop the empty gestures in England where it's really not required in this day and age given most people's attitudes and legislation in place.
They'll all be donning rainbow laces and corner flags in England next year and all the corporate shithouses will have banners up on their websites in the West again yet silence where it matters.
All very meaningless and as much genuine solidarity as a Charlton back 4.
Expecting the guy to potentially get suspended from the biggest stage of his career just seems excessive to me.0 -
Of course they do, usually ones close to them. Grealish sister has MS i believe. Kane also has a charity for Mental Health.Friend Or Defoe said:Footballers do a lot of good for their community and charity. Long may it continue.
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Cerebral palsy I thinkValleyGary said:
Of course they do, usually ones close to them. Grealish sister has MS i believe. Kane also has a charity for Mental Health.Friend Or Defoe said:Footballers do a lot of good for their community and charity. Long may it continue.
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Sorry yes.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Cerebral palsy I thinkValleyGary said:
Of course they do, usually ones close to them. Grealish sister has MS i believe. Kane also has a charity for Mental Health.Friend Or Defoe said:Footballers do a lot of good for their community and charity. Long may it continue.
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Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?
Maybe in the third round when their team is already eliminated
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I think it's better now to do what the Danes are doing, trying to rouse other countries to oppose the election of Infantino, and proposing to actually leave FIFA. It looks like Germany may join them. If England joined in too, that would shake FIFA and encourage more countries. It may have unforeseen consequences but that's the level at which this has to be sorted out. I'm firmly in the camp now that relatively too much is being asked of the players in this respect.This has to sorted out by the men in suits (and they are all men), and ultimately by governments.22
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Apparently not true about leaving.PragueAddick said:I think it's better now to do what the Danes are doing, trying to rouse other countries to oppose the election of Infantino, and proposing to actually leave FIFA. It looks like Germany may join them. If England joined in too, that would shake FIFA and encourage more countries. It may have unforeseen consequences but that's the level at which this has to be sorted out. I'm firmly in the camp now that relatively too much is being asked of the players in this respect.This has to sorted out by the men in suits (and they are all men), and ultimately by governments."Some media have made the misunderstanding that DBU will withdraw from FIFA," DBU head of communications Jakob Hoejer told Reuters in a WhatsApp message.
"That was not said at the press conference. We're critical and not satisfied and we'll not vote for the present FIFA-president (Gianni Infantino). We will discuss further actions with our Nordic and European colleagues."1 -
IF this were to happen and it got past the 'armband inspectors', the pundits and commentators would be banging on about it for hours and hours and hours, probably even weeks .. I know that there are a lot of things much more important than sport, BUT this is the Football World Cup and not a political rally however 'justified' the causeIdleHans said:Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?
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Nothing political about basic human rightsLincsaddick said:
IF this were to happen and it got past the 'armband inspectors', the pundits and commentators would be banging on about it for hours and hours and hours, probably even weeks .. I know that there are a lot of things much more important than sport, BUT this is the Football World Cup and not a political rally however 'justified' the causeIdleHans said:Friend Or Defoe said:Surely one player is going to show a backbone at some stage and wear the arm band?
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I'm part way with you on this, in that I don't believe that posing for a photo would have been as effective as wearing the armband and risking a card (or worse). However, as someone who has personally done nothing to protest, I don't feel that it's up to me to criticise how other people choose to protest. I might like them to do something which may be riskier and more powerful, but if they don't want to that's their choice. Not only is it unfair to place such expectations on them, but it means you end up attacking the wrong people. It's Fifa who are to blame for this mess, yet it is the players who you are turning your anger on with your 'spinelessness', 'mealy mouthed' and 'weak as piss' comments. By focussing on the players, you end up demonising the wrong people.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:ForeverAddickted said:
Put an armband on. All of this halfway house (our hands are tied) is pathetic. They're pampered multi-millionaires and FIFA are not ISIS ffs.
Hardly standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen square is it.
Utter spinelessness. Either don't do anything at all but this halfway measley mouthed gesture is weak as piss.
Sure, it would have been nice for the German team to have worn their armbands, as it would for the other teams who say they believe in inclusivity, but they didn't so let's at least credit them with coming up with an alternative protest that has kept the focus on Fifa's corrupt bungling and kept people talking about the issue.6 -
I think the hand over mouth has caused more of a reaction than wearing the armband anyway.0
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Putting my old union hat on I'd say that it's all or nothing.
All the players from Europe and civilised countries should don the armbands - then what would they to do? FIFA would be humiliated, the Qatari's 220 billion dollar competition would be in shreds - unless they overlooked it.
It's not for an individual to make a lone gesture. As a wise old boss of mine once told me 'If you put your head on the chopping block, someone will take a swing at it. Are you going home to tell your wife you've been suspended ... or worse? I took his advice.
Two old cliches from a bygone era maybe, but as true today as ever. 'Divide and Rule', / 'United we stand, divided we fall'.
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