M!llwall looking to build their new training ground in West Kingsdown???

ShootersHillGuru said:

bobmunro said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

bobmunro said:

I've only got one thing really to say about the subject of this thread and Millwall's plans to develop a world leading academy with Cat 1 EPPP status:

A f*ck I could not give.

With Palace already having Category 1 and with Millwall aspiring to Category 1 then quite honestly I do give a fuck. I know it’s also on Charltons radar but as a club we really don’t want to be left squeezed by those two. 

Yes, but that's for us to sort out - what the spanners and nigels do doesn't impact on what we have to do.

Do you really think that Palace and Millwall both having Category 1 academies doesn’t impact on what Charlton do ? It would be a disaster.

Did I say that?

I suspect that nearly all London clubs have training grounds either on Green Belt land of some sort or Metropolitan Open Land. After all most large, flat plots of land around London which weren't protected in some way would have disappeared years ago.

Ultimately training grounds will still be 90-95% open land in the same way that golf courses are predominantly still open land, and the land is still protected so that the football club couldn't then just flog the site for housing afterwards for a big profit. Hence Roland couldn't just flog Sparrows Lane to a builder

DOUCHER said:

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

Be more bothered if they were building all this on our patch / the suburbs - got a ground miles away from 90% of their fans and will now have a training ground in the middle of nowhere - seems good to me 

The majority of our ST holders are still SE London based. 

I’d say charlton probably have a higher percentage of fans who live in kent and beyond and miles away from their ground. I rarely meet charlton fans in SE London these days. 

I’d be confident that more of our fans live within say 5 miles of the ground than yours do and wouldn’t be surprised if more of your fans live closer to the valley now than the new den 

The white flight I believe bermugees call it 

DOUCHER said:

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

Be more bothered if they were building all this on our patch / the suburbs - got a ground miles away from 90% of their fans and will now have a training ground in the middle of nowhere - seems good to me 

The majority of our ST holders are still SE London based. 

I’d say charlton probably have a higher percentage of fans who live in kent and beyond and miles away from their ground. I rarely meet charlton fans in SE London these days. 

I’d be confident that more of our fans live within say 5 miles of the ground than yours do and wouldn’t be surprised if more of your fans live closer to the valley now than the new den 

well we’ll never know if that’s true or not but something I do know for a fact is that the majority of our ST holders are still from SE postcodes so your 90% figure is way off the mark. 

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

Be more bothered if they were building all this on our patch / the suburbs - got a ground miles away from 90% of their fans and will now have a training ground in the middle of nowhere - seems good to me 

The majority of our ST holders are still SE London based. 

I’d say charlton probably have a higher percentage of fans who live in kent and beyond and miles away from their ground. I rarely meet charlton fans in SE London these days. 

I’d be confident that more of our fans live within say 5 miles of the ground than yours do and wouldn’t be surprised if more of your fans live closer to the valley now than the new den 

well we’ll never know if that’s true or not but something I do know for a fact is that the majority of our ST holders are still from SE postcodes so your 90% figure is way off the mark. 

Granted a lot of our fans have moved out but plenty of Millwall still on the old manors of Peckham, new cross, deptford, Walworth etc. Bermondsey and Rotherhithe is still rammed with Millwall. 

Loads in Eltham when I lived there....probably 50/50 with Charlton.

MillwallFan said:

HastingsRed said:

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

Be more bothered if they were building all this on our patch / the suburbs - got a ground miles away from 90% of their fans and will now have a training ground in the middle of nowhere - seems good to me 

The majority of our ST holders are still SE London based. 

I’d say charlton probably have a higher percentage of fans who live in kent and beyond and miles away from their ground. I rarely meet charlton fans in SE London these days. 

I’d be confident that more of our fans live within say 5 miles of the ground than yours do and wouldn’t be surprised if more of your fans live closer to the valley now than the new den 

well we’ll never know if that’s true or not but something I do know for a fact is that the majority of our ST holders are still from SE postcodes so your 90% figure is way off the mark. 

Granted a lot of our fans have moved out but plenty of Millwall still on the old manors of Peckham, new cross, deptford, Walworth etc. Bermondsey and Rotherhithe is still rammed with Millwall. 

Loads in Eltham when I lived there....probably 50/50 with Charlton.

Yeah a lot of people moved out to Eltham from New Cross and deptford in the 70’s. It was an overspill for those areas. I know loads of Millwall from eltham and the surrounding areas 

Wife's mate lives in Ilderton Road, she and her sister support Liverpool, but do have a soft spot the local team.....my misses is originally from Rotherhithe but I've managed to sway her to supporting/liking Charlton.

T_C_E said:

Just out of interest do the spanner’s rent or own their current exercise yards in SE9?

I reckon we own at least as much of ours as you do yours 

Billy_Mix said:

T_C_E said:

Just out of interest do the spanner’s rent or own their current exercise yards in SE9?

The spanners rent their current exercise yard
Shifting out to W Kingsdown should keep things familiar for the players during the week and the weekend, given the high density of criminality (petty and not so petty) in the neighbourhood of the proposed training ground and the locality of the rusting toolbox.

Lordflashheart said:

clive said:

https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/07/millwall-submit-planning-application-for-new-training-ground/

Winner of the ‘never gonna happen’ awards 2022, 2023, 2024 and so on

Want bet? 20 quid? Winnings go to The Upbeats? 

Well - fuck me - look at this

Airman Brown said:

I think it has to be referred to the Secretary of State because it’s a departure from policy in the Green Belt, which has statutory protection. The SoS probably won’t call it in, they just have to be notified so they can if they think the council is making an unjustified decision.

The Green Belt doesn’t mean nothing can be built ever; it requires a higher and specific level of justification against any damage.

Hey ho - I will have to ready up my £20 bet with @MillwallFan - I can’t see it being refused now, it’s hardly an area of AONB, given its next to the M20

With Palace in suburbia Beckenham and Millwall heading to Kent then South London is ours for the taking of we can get Cat1 and an owner with money. Location of Sparrows Lane a great advantage.  Never really understood why some fans were not bothered if we moved away.