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Stop feeding the troll.1
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At the start of the race Lewis had to avoid a collision with Max, who forced the racing line. The Stewards decided, within the terms of the rule book, that Max did not leave Lewis room, a rule that Max does not believe applies to him. At the end of the race the Race Director decided to ignore the rules and give Max the advantage. Totally different situation.
Max is world champion but that should be the last race that Michael Massi is allowed to officiate since his decision, not the rule book, decided the outcome of the championship.7 -
Yes, technically.bobmunro said:
Can a ref give a penalty for a hand ball in the centre circle?MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes, he bent the rules but that's what dodgy refs do. He would say that he allowed them to race safely. The procedures/rules seem to be meaningless to the bloke but he is effectively the ref. We could say the push on Dobson for Shrewsbury's winner was incredibly poor reffing but even though it was clearly wrong, the game is lost on that.Lordflashheart said:
Nothing in here about the Clerk of the Course CHOOSING which lapped cars will un lap themselves - it’s either all or none
Whats the betting the Yanks who own F1 now engineered this
Obviously he'd be rightly fired afterwards....0 -
I was referring to you, not Verstappen.seth plum said:
I disagree.bobmunro said:
What a crock of shit.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
Verstappen changed tyres when Hamilton didn’t.2 -
Rubbish.ValleyGary said:
Ohhh look at me, look at me.seth plum said:
There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?ValleyGary said:
Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
You need help.
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?
Youre a wrongen.0 -
This wasn’t about bravery. Mercedes taking a pitstop would’ve made zero sense. On both occasions.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
And on the second occasion it would’ve made less than zero sense (🤔) because Verstappen had relatively fresh tires and, even if you could’ve foreseen that unfathomable decision by Masi, fresh softs probably wouldn’t have beaten semi-fresh hards over 1 lap.2 -
I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.ForeverAddickted said:
Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seekerseth plum said:
There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?ValleyGary said:
Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
You need help.
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?4 -
With regard to the backmarkers I wonder if there were any other battles going on beyond Verstappen / Hamilton for minor places
e.g. Imagine if Alpine needed a point to finish ahead of Aston Martin in the WCC (more funding etc.), yet wouldnt have had the opportunity because a backmarker didnt need to get out the way for them.2 -
What a twat you are.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.5 -
Some contentious moments all season between both drivers and teams
Silverstone - The crash that took Max out and started the "blood died"Monza - The crash that took both drivers out
Sao Paulo - the engine change that Mercedes took for the sprint race, effectively nullifying any major disadvantage in the main race
The over-zealous defending by Max
Jeddah - the utterly mental scenes including several incidents between the two culminating in Max trying to let Lewis through, them crashing into eachother, before more shenanigans afterwards
Abu Dhabi - the lap 1 incident seemingly going against Red Bull for a change, then the farcical scenes in the final safety car laps0 -
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So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?SoundAsa£ said:
What a twat you are.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.0 -
Apart from your Ultra Nationalist bullshitseth plum said:
I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.ForeverAddickted said:
Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seekerseth plum said:
There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?ValleyGary said:
Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
You need help.
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?
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That’s the lead he had over Verstappen when the crash happened. I am not a big F1 fan so not aware of all the laws/rules whatever.ForeverAddickted said:
Why would he be?1StevieG said:don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.0 -
Nah not how the Safety Car works - Its always been a get out of jail card for those in second yet are a big gap behind first place. Hamilton will have benefited the same way that Verstappen has done in the past.1StevieG said:
That’s the lead he had over Verstappen.ForeverAddickted said:
Why would he be?1StevieG said:don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.
The difference is that in the past, the backmarkers get back into position before the racing restarts - Only on this occasion, a handful were allowed to get out the way so the battle for first could happen, yet any other potential battles couldnt.2 -
Cannot stomach having to listen to that pompous asshole Horner biggest crybaby in F13
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Ah I get it now.ForeverAddickted said:
Apart from your Ultra Nationalist bullshitseth plum said:
I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.ForeverAddickted said:
Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seekerseth plum said:
There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?ValleyGary said:
Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
You need help.
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?
People don’t like me being mildly critical of nationalism in sport.
Mildly.
So that justifies a pile on.
Forgive me for misreading the culture here.1 -
But that’s changing to rules again.1StevieG said:
That’s the lead he had over Verstappen when the crash happened. I am not a big F1 fan so not aware of all the laws/rules whatever.ForeverAddickted said:
Why would he be?1StevieG said:don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.Hamilton shit out of luck that a safety car was needed but Verstappen should have been 5 cars back when the race was restarted.0 -
Have been watching the last few but won’t be bothering again. How one driver can come in and have his tyres changed and regain his position on the track but another driver can’t? He had gained an advantage anyway by changing tyres and then they clear the track for him to win it. Joke of a sport.Lincsaddick said:farce, fix or both ? .. first time I have watched F1 for a loooong time and I won't bother for another long time. So, have I got this right, Hamilton leads the race by a country mile, a crash brings out the 'safety car', the cars all bunch up, irrespective of the distance between them over the preceding 50+ laps, and then the race is (seemingly arbitrarily) restarted for a one lap 'sprint' to decide the whole season ..
so why bother with the previous 50 odd laps, just have the two main protagonists behind a 'safety car' which then gets out the road and a one lap race decides it .. fucking rubbish, a waste of petrol, tyres, plastic, metal AND my time
I hope they do appeal so the best car and driver on the day win the race.6 -
You could include the defending from Verstappen @ Imola and Spainsam3110 said:Some contentious moments all season between both drivers and teams
Silverstone - The crash that took Max out and started the "blood died"Monza - The crash that took both drivers out
Sao Paulo - the engine change that Mercedes took for the sprint race, effectively nullifying any major disadvantage in the main race
The over-zealous defending by Max
Jeddah - the utterly mental scenes including several incidents between the two culminating in Max trying to let Lewis through, them crashing into eachother, before more shenanigans afterwards
Abu Dhabi - the lap 1 incident seemingly going against Red Bull for a change, then the farcical scenes in the final safety car laps
Squeezing out Hamilton at the first corner at those two venues was the catalyst behind Silverstone, because Max had got it in his head that he could stick his elbows out and that Hamilton would meekly concede the position.3 -
The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.16
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Blimey. Some serious high emotion on here!0
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Don’t be so fucking obtuse. You know very well why you are being called out as a twat.seth plum said:
So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?SoundAsa£ said:
What a twat you are.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.
So it’s being ultra nationalist for a Brit to want a Brit to win? 80,000 at Wembley cheering for England are all ultra nationalists. Or the Irish at Landsdowne Road, or the Chinese in Beijing? I get the impression you take every opportunity to knock anything British.The comments here are about rules and the decisions around those rules.16 -
This is undeniably true - he’s surprised me today with his generous approach to such a difficult and controversial defeat.DamoNorthStand said:The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.3 -
Mercedes have put in two protests...4
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Mercedes are appealing the result ..4
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I’m not getting into the name calling. But just to be clear, Mercedes couldn’t change his tyres. Track position meant Red Bull would’ve taken the lead and would’ve won. It would’ve been a strategically stupid move.seth plum said:
So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?SoundAsa£ said:
What a twat you are.seth plum said:To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.5 -
Dont see the point, think they'll have to go to the Court of Arbitration for this to be decided0
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Bottas let Hamilton down this weekend. He could, and should, have been within Verstappen’s pit window preventing Verstappen stopping for tyres or providing a buffer to Hamilton. Instead he was cruising around stuck behind midfield cars all afternoon. Contrast the job Pérez did holding Hamilton up.I’m not really sure what to make of it all. Certainly the way Massi has handled the last few races leaves an awful lot to be be desired. Disappointing outcome for a Hamilton fan, but it’s certainly been dramatic and entertaining. No. 8 will have to wait another year.Congratulations Verstappen. He’s a horrible prick but can’t say he’s hasn’t driven well enough to deserve to be a champion.2
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He didn’t surprise me in the slightest. I said to my wife before he started speaking to Button that the first thing he would say is to congratulate Max - and in the background Hamilton senior was congratulating Max.wmcf123 said:
This is undeniably true - he’s surprised me today with his generous approach to such a difficult and controversial defeat.DamoNorthStand said:The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.1 -
Regardless of what he said publicly (and full credit to him as he will have gained a lot of admirers) you can bet your life Hamilton would've been fucking raging off camera. Didn't he question during the race that it was a risk to not bring him in for new tyres?
As an aside though regarding the 'only letting 5 cars unlap themselves' fiasco whilst i understand the argument that it should've been all of them or none of them, why are people so angry about this? If they'd all done it then wouldn't we still have had a one lap race with Max on fresh tyres?3
