Vaccine

ShootersHillGuru said:

Lordflashheart said:

The efficient roll out of this makes you realise that - in desperate times - the British ‘state’ is actually superbly well organised - WW2 was the same (mostly)

why can’t it be like that in un-desperate times.......

I’m fairly confident that this is written in jest isn’t it ?

No it’s not - I accept that since March last year there have been terrible decisions made by politicians, and needless deaths BUT the vaccine rollout - from my viewpoint - is incredible - and when I use the word ‘state’ I don’t mean politicians, I mean all the people who work within the wheels of the state, which in this case is the medical services, armed forces etc etc - to get over 15m people vaccinated in such a short time requires organisation and dedication and information (about the first people to jab etc) - as I said, in desperate times, this country can do it, but why only in desperate times

Its also worth bearing in mind that the Oxford vaccine was created within 24 hours of the scientists at Oxford being given the genetic code of Covid last April - incredible - however it had to be tested etc before general use - even so, that is a rapid development and then release of a vaccine

Plenty of info on covid vaccine side- effects in todays Daily Mail

A sore arm, headache, fatigue, nausea, dizzy spells, aching joints and sore muscles. 

These are the common side-effects reported by some of the 15 million NHS patients to get their first dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, as well as the 500,000 or so who have had their scheduled second dose.

But rather than being something to dread, they could show you the vaccine is actually working.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9263327/Why-effects-Covid-jab-actually-good-thing.html

ShootersHillGuru said:

Lordflashheart said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Lordflashheart said:

The efficient roll out of this makes you realise that - in desperate times - the British ‘state’ is actually superbly well organised - WW2 was the same (mostly)

why can’t it be like that in un-desperate times.......

I’m fairly confident that this is written in jest isn’t it ?

No it’s not - I accept that since March last year there have been terrible decisions made by politicians, and needless deaths BUT the vaccine rollout - from my viewpoint - is incredible - and when I use the word ‘state’ I don’t mean politicians, I mean all the people who work within the wheels of the state, which in this case is the medical services, armed forces etc etc - to get over 15m people vaccinated in such a short time requires organisation and dedication and information (about the first people to jab etc) - as I said, in desperate times, this country can do it, but why only in desperate times

Its also worth bearing in mind that the Oxford vaccine was created within 24 hours of the scientists at Oxford being given the genetic code of Covid last April - incredible - however it had to be tested etc before general use - even so, that is a rapid development and then release of a vaccine

The vaccines and the roll out are astonishingly good. No denying that. I think where I part company with your comment is in the well organised bit. I think mostly we’re spectacularly unorganised and only pull it around when it becomes desperate and I don’t just mean this government. I mean historically. 

I think we are actually in agreement - as I say, why only in desperate times 

Had Oxford A/Z jab at 10 last Saturday. 

When I had my AZ jab I was advised to take paracetamol before any side effects kicked in. Apart from my joints aching a bit more than usual and not sleeping very well that night, I had no other side effects.

Bournemouth Addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

Oggy Red said:

Lordflashheart said:

The efficient roll out of this makes you realise that - in desperate times - the British ‘state’ is actually superbly well organised - WW2 was the same (mostly)

why can’t it be like that in un-desperate times.......

After the debacle of the Government awarding Track & Trace to their friends and family to profiteer from ...... they've let the NHS undertake the vaccination programme.

What a load of bollox!!!!

Fair enough, what do you think the difference is?

I was pissed off at the political insults and allegations......not that track and trace hadn’t worked out so well.😤😤😤

JamesSeed said:

Addickted said:

Certainly seems from the responses on here that the side effects are with the AZ vaccine rather than the Pfizer one.

Yes. Family and orients who had the Pfizer has almost no side effects. Doesn’t mean Pfizer works better though. 

Figures (if they can be trusted) suggest that it does. The best figures I can find for Oxford-Astrazeneca efficacy after 2nd dose is 82.4% (and there are figures quoted that put it at much less than that - as low as 62%) compared to 95% for the Pfizer. I've followed this as closely as I can because I had the Ox-Az. I have felt that the Ox-AZ figures have been fudged from the very beginning with most of the tests being given to under 65s, as well as the bizarre episode where they claim that the mistake of giving a half-dose actually increased efficacy - a claim that has quietly gone away. I m still waiting for the full, detailed, peer-reviewed figures to emerge from all the vaccinations that have been done in the UK.

Had the pfizer jab last Saturday, no side affects at all.
Wife had it last week - headache, joint pains for 24 hours day 3.

Todds_right_hook said:

had the Pfizer jab this morning and so far so good. I’m sitting in my car waiting for my first instruction from bill gates. Nothing so far! 

Take the next left, then keep right.

Nadou said:

JamesSeed said:

Addickted said:

Certainly seems from the responses on here that the side effects are with the AZ vaccine rather than the Pfizer one.

Yes. Family and orients who had the Pfizer has almost no side effects. Doesn’t mean Pfizer works better though. 

Figures (if they can be trusted) suggest that it does. The best figures I can find for Oxford-Astrazeneca efficacy after 2nd dose is 82.4% (and there are figures quoted that put it at much less than that - as low as 62%) compared to 95% for the Pfizer. I've followed this as closely as I can because I had the Ox-Az. I have felt that the Ox-AZ figures have been fudged from the very beginning with most of the tests being given to under 65s, as well as the bizarre episode where they claim that the mistake of giving a half-dose actually increased efficacy - a claim that has quietly gone away. I m still waiting for the full, detailed, peer-reviewed figures to emerge from all the vaccinations that have been done in the UK.

I don't think the % figures are completely comparable though, as the testing was done in slightly different ways

When Mr Tatters had his jab they asked if he’d had diarrhoea in the last 28 days. Any idea why?

SoundAsa£ said:

Arsenetatters said:

When Mr Tatters had his jab they asked if he’d had diarrhoea in the last 28 days. Any idea why?

Didn’t want people taking a shit in the recovery room Is my guess.

Recovery room? This was Swanley - told him to go and sit in his van!

My daughter - age 23 - had her first jab today at Woodville Halls in Gravesend - she works with disabled (mentally and physically) children, so works in a high risk group - I drove her to the vaccine centre, and had high hopes of going in with her and being offered a jab ‘seeing as you are here’ style - alas no such luck - I was refused entry 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

Lordflashheart said:

My daughter - age 23 - had her first jab today at Woodville Halls in Gravesend - she works with disabled (mentally and physically) children, so works in a high risk group - I drove her to the vaccine centre, and had high hopes of going in with her and being offered a jab ‘seeing as you are here’ style - alas no such luck - I was refused entry 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

Kent seems to be short of supplies for some reason so I am not surprised.

Going to have my jab tomorrow morning. I'll report back on any side effects or not as the case may be.