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Has Bowyer lost it?
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I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
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I'll be delighted if LB gets us promoted and we go on a good run.6
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This is our 3rd spell in recent times in the 3rd division. On the 2 previous occasions it took us 3 seasons to get out. We started this season in a total mess, and we now alsi have the salary cap to deal with.paulie8290 said:
And in 2 years time we are still in league 1 are we supposed to still say well Bowyer was loyal to us.ElfsborgAddick said:So much for Bowyer's loyalty to the club.
Football fans are so fickle.
How long does it last?
We need to get out of this division ASAP the wage cap is bad enough when we was one of the championship teams coming down, but when we have players out of contract and need to replace them under which cap restrictions, us you have 3 sides coming down from championship with better players already having an advantage, its gonna make it tougher to get out this league.
We need to get out now before we get stuck here and if Bowyer cant dont that we need to try someone else
It needs time and patience, there are still big clubs in this league who have been here a while and still don't look that great to get out of it this season (Sunderland,Ipswich Pompey) and a host of other clubs who have been stuck in it not so long ago (Leeds, Both Sheffield club's, Southampton).
It's nice to say we need to get out of the league ASAP but teams who normally go up do so with a proper pre season both in terms of having players at the start of it and getting players in long before the season starts.5 -
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.3 -
Fair... I don’t want to dig out people as that just makes things more toxic.aliwibble said:
The "In The Know" thread isn't about naming and shaming people, just a light-hearted way of showing which posters have sources that tend to pan out, that people can refer to at times when there's a flurry of rumours about transfers etc. Would you be arguing for a "deluded rose-tinted glasses" brigade list if we plummet down the table and Bowyer gets sacked? People have different levels of patience or expectation, and while you can try to persuade people why you think changes need to be made or more time is needed, digging out individuals isn't going to get us anywhere.esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigadeIt’s just frustrating when a normal bloke like Boywer admits a mistake (Smyth at RB) and the rest of us can’t admit our own mistakes.
His tactics haven’t been great, it annoys me too. Christ though a lot of those decisions have been thrust upon him. Matthews has been pretty bad since coming back with the same people digging him out... now it’s so clear he should have started?!2 -
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment1 -
You sure you don't want to look into it?i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
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Oh shut up you tartForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment
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SlaaaaaagShootersHillGuru said:
Oh shut up you tartForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment
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Well said that man.JohnnyH2 said:
This is our 3rd spell in recent times in the 3rd division. On the 2 previous occasions it took us 3 seasons to get out. We started this season in a total mess, and we now alsi have the salary cap to deal with.paulie8290 said:
And in 2 years time we are still in league 1 are we supposed to still say well Bowyer was loyal to us.ElfsborgAddick said:So much for Bowyer's loyalty to the club.
Football fans are so fickle.
How long does it last?
We need to get out of this division ASAP the wage cap is bad enough when we was one of the championship teams coming down, but when we have players out of contract and need to replace them under which cap restrictions, us you have 3 sides coming down from championship with better players already having an advantage, its gonna make it tougher to get out this league.
We need to get out now before we get stuck here and if Bowyer cant dont that we need to try someone else
It needs time and patience, there are still big clubs in this league who have been here a while and still don't look that great to get out of it this season (Sunderland,Ipswich Pompey) and a host of other clubs who have been stuck in it not so long ago (Leeds, Both Sheffield club's, Southampton).
It's nice to say we need to get out of the league ASAP but teams who normally go up do so with a proper pre season both in terms of having players at the start of it and getting players in long before the season starts.1 -
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You Muppet...ForeverAddickted said:
SlaaaaaagShootersHillGuru said:
Oh shut up you tartForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment
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Problem is league 1 is going to be cut more adrift from the championship with the wage cap as I said, we lose players and have to replace them with a wage cap in place, clubs are coming down from the championship with decent players already in place, over the next few years you will see more teams get relegated from the championship then bounce straight back up because they have an advantage in league 1 nowJohnnyH2 said:
This is our 3rd spell in recent times in the 3rd division. On the 2 previous occasions it took us 3 seasons to get out. We started this season in a total mess, and we now alsi have the salary cap to deal with.paulie8290 said:
And in 2 years time we are still in league 1 are we supposed to still say well Bowyer was loyal to us.ElfsborgAddick said:So much for Bowyer's loyalty to the club.
Football fans are so fickle.
How long does it last?
We need to get out of this division ASAP the wage cap is bad enough when we was one of the championship teams coming down, but when we have players out of contract and need to replace them under which cap restrictions, us you have 3 sides coming down from championship with better players already having an advantage, its gonna make it tougher to get out this league.
We need to get out now before we get stuck here and if Bowyer cant dont that we need to try someone else
It needs time and patience, there are still big clubs in this league who have been here a while and still don't look that great to get out of it this season (Sunderland,Ipswich Pompey) and a host of other clubs who have been stuck in it not so long ago (Leeds, Both Sheffield club's, Southampton).
It's nice to say we need to get out of the league ASAP but teams who normally go up do so with a proper pre season both in terms of having players at the start of it and getting players in long before the season starts.4 -
hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
You Muppet...ForeverAddickted said:
SlaaaaaagShootersHillGuru said:
Oh shut up you tartForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment
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We may be just outside the playoffs BUT have played many more games than just about all the teams around us so it's a bit misleadingChiAddick said:
The league is toilet. Standard is far worse than when we got promoted in my opinion.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It doesn't look likely at present.se9addick said:SELR_addicks said:I think he deserves until the end of the season no matter what happens.
But in the summer we need a full appraisal of our coaching staff and facilities.
He deserves an opportunity to take us up. The moment that looks unlikely is the moment he should go, whenever it is.ChiAddick said:Bowyer deserves until the end of the season.
We've played more games but its a tight league. We have won twice in 11 games and are only just outside the playoffs.
Far from unlikely yet.
Accrington have 4 games in hand; Doncaster 3; Posh, Pompey, Ipswich and Sunderland 2; Hull, Fleetwood and Oxford 1
On a PPG basis we've slipped badly since November2 -
Yeh but not often you’ve got added height advantage 🥊😉ForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment2 -
‘Name and shame’ like Bowyer is beyond criticism.There is no doubt that a return to form will coincide with the return of Famewo and Innis. I just don’t think Lee has weathered the storm well enough without them.15
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Blimey, bowyer in/bowyer out has become as partisan as the referendum it seems. Let’s leave that to Twitter eh, where little boys slag people off they don’t know for having different views to them.
There are good arguments for bowyer in and bowyer out, that’s how I see it. First real test for Tommy as owner this, wonder what he’s thinking, could you even argue the second half has saved him for now!6 -
Indeed it will, probably why we voted against the cap. However we started this season off at a huge disadvantage as a result of our own issues, hopefully things as a club will settle down and a decent pre season and summer window will sort us out. Wasn't it changing the manager all the time one of the main reasons we fought so long and hard to get shot of Roland?paulie8290 said:
Problem is league 1 is going to be cut more adrift from the championship with the wage cap as I said, we lose players and have to replace them with a wage cap in place, clubs are coming down from the championship with decent players already in place, over the next few years you will see more teams get relegated from the championship then bounce straight back up because they have an advantage in league 1 nowJohnnyH2 said:
This is our 3rd spell in recent times in the 3rd division. On the 2 previous occasions it took us 3 seasons to get out. We started this season in a total mess, and we now alsi have the salary cap to deal with.paulie8290 said:
And in 2 years time we are still in league 1 are we supposed to still say well Bowyer was loyal to us.ElfsborgAddick said:So much for Bowyer's loyalty to the club.
Football fans are so fickle.
How long does it last?
We need to get out of this division ASAP the wage cap is bad enough when we was one of the championship teams coming down, but when we have players out of contract and need to replace them under which cap restrictions, us you have 3 sides coming down from championship with better players already having an advantage, its gonna make it tougher to get out this league.
We need to get out now before we get stuck here and if Bowyer cant dont that we need to try someone else
It needs time and patience, there are still big clubs in this league who have been here a while and still don't look that great to get out of it this season (Sunderland,Ipswich Pompey) and a host of other clubs who have been stuck in it not so long ago (Leeds, Both Sheffield club's, Southampton).
It's nice to say we need to get out of the league ASAP but teams who normally go up do so with a proper pre season both in terms of having players at the start of it and getting players in long before the season starts.2 -
I'm still asking myself the same question. Did Bows really start Smyth as wingback?
Someone please tell me I got that wrong.5 -
We’ve undoubtedly had a little wobble, which has coincided with an impacting hit of injuries. All teams have a wobble and if you call for the manager to be changed each time you really won’t get anywhere.
As Lord Curbs said, you want to have your wobble now rather than in the last third of the season.Creating outside pressure on management (and owner) really is not going to help us, that I’m convinced.12 -
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OK and if he stays on and we don't I'd move to name and shame the Bows can't do wrong brigade.esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade1 -
Still shocked that smyth started as wing back. Second half was a lot better
bowyer is on very thin ice at the moment but the second half showing would keep him in a job until Saturday if I was owner0 -
that's a quick u turn on williamsRedrobo said:We saw tonight that the players are behind Bowyer 100%. They could have folded after conceding four goals in the first half, but came out and won the second half convincingly. A fantastic effort and if had not be for Kettle, who has clearly never played the game, I think we would have won.
Now the players have regrown a pair I can see us performing better. Maybe not winning, but I will be looking for the performance. The team that played that half should be the team that starts Saturday - although the defence will need a change. I think we stand a good chance of getting into the playoffs still. 0 -
I fully expect teams to have a wobble or patch of bad form, however bowyers team selection, tactics and comments have made it worse. He should be steering the ship in a storm not rocking it further.AFKABartram said:We’ve undoubtedly had a little wobble, which has coincided with an impacting hit of injuries. All teams have a wobble and if you call for the manager to be changed each time you really won’t get anywhere.
As Lord Curbs said, you want to have your wobble now rather than in the last third of the season.Creating outside pressure on management (and owner) really is not going to help us, that I’m convinced.10 -
But isn’t that part of the problem?ShootersHillGuru said:Coming back makes it look much better than the reality. A draw at home to Rochdale isn’t good enough.We don’t have a divine right to beat anyone, even though many of us think we do?
We are a league 1 team the same as Rochdale and the rest in the division.6 -
I disagree.AFKABartram said:We’ve had a little wobble which has coincided with an impacting hit of injuries. All teams have a wobble and if you call for the manager to be changed each time you really won’t get anywhere.
As Lord Curbs said, you want to have your wobble now rather than in the last third of the season.Creating outside pressure on management (and owner) really is not going to help us, that I’m convinced.
I'm not necessarily worried about a wobble, I’m worried that our manager is calling out players publicly and showing zero respect for his team.
I'm worried that when winning against really poor teams we decide to go ridiculously defensive and then dig out the players once again when we draw.
The manager clearly doesn’t know his best team.
The mask is slipping. When Bowyer came in he was all about the team and was very fair and calm. He’s now the total opposite.
I'm worried that the manager has lost the respect of the players.
I’m also not happy that the managers' personal dislike of very skilful players is going to drive them out the club.
We’ve just drawn at home to a relegation threatened team. Our squad is one of the best in this poor league and some people are satisfied waiting for the inevitable.10 -
It’s interesting we’re all blaming Bowyer but Jackson has a role to play and getting more senior or additional coaches in, though costly could be a good move.ShootersHillGuru said:Get in a defensive coach at the very least. We are a shambles.0 -
A little wobbleAFKABartram said:We’ve undoubtedly had a little wobble, which has coincided with an impacting hit of injuries. All teams have a wobble and if you call for the manager to be changed each time you really won’t get anywhere.
As Lord Curbs said, you want to have your wobble now rather than in the last third of the season.Creating outside pressure on management (and owner) really is not going to help us, that I’m convinced.
We have won 2 of our last 11
Thats a quarter of a season pretty much, and we have only won 2 games, that to me is more than a little wobble17 -
In that case, I may not respond to your next 'loan watch' review.ForeverAddickted said:
One thing I like to think I'm very good at is the ability to laugh off insults, I can take the punches and the jabsi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was apparently a Nimer Apologist and now it turns out I'm a Bowyer Apologist, but I ain't changing for no oneForeverAddickted said:
I dunno.. I've been labelled a Bowyer Apologist a good few times now so its maybe only fair that the label gets dished backhudson-son-son said:
So if we don't and continue to defend like dogshit and he gets sacked, we should name and shame those who wanted to keep him in?esseffect said:Like the in the know thread if Bows stays on and we get promoted I’d move to name and shame they Bowyer out brigade
I don't think anyone who is suggesting Bowyer out particularly wants to be in that situation, or one of the ridiculous claims that we want to be doing badly to get rid of him. He's a hero for the last few years, but we're on a bad run, and he's reacted to that himself pretty poorly and all the whispers suggest he's losing the dressing room for it. Unfortunately with a change in ownership, management changes are always pretty inevitable at some point to get their own men in, and this seems to be going that way.
If the comeback tonight ignites a change in his philosophy to go a bit more attacking and on the front foot etc, everyone would be delighted. I'm not going to get too excited about a draw with Rochdale at home in isolation though, but we will see.
All I'll say though is occasionally I will bite back, so when I do, people shouldn't start complaining at the reverse treatment1
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