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Has Bowyer lost it?

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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    AFKABartram said:
    se9addick said:
    Just said on the post match that I’m starting to think Bowyer was the right man at a bad time, but he isn’t the right man at this time. 
    I equally wonder at times whether we are the right club for some of our fans. I’m amazed how some just can’t deal with us ever losing games, only ever see ‘Dogshit’ and how they come to decide on a club like Charlton in the first place!

    I think there’s been a catch 22 circle of too much chop / change, but equally individuals not performing when giving the opportunity, leading to more chop / change. There’s no real partnerships and combinations throughout the team formed that you can clearly see in a settled side like Accrington and MK Dons (who on paper are not better than us).

    Injuries have been a massive factor, but also some of the signings are starting to look questionable. Bowyer has to decide on some combinations and hang his hat on them for the next few games. If it turns out not good enough  then his position starts to increasingly look untenable imo. 
    Oh there’s lots of knee jerk nonsense if we don’t hammer everyone 5-0, but there are also moments where you can see a negative pattern developing and the manager lacking the tactical nous to get us out of it. Even worse tonight was the attitude of the players, that will take a lot to turn round. I fear that we may be reaching the moment where Bowyer can’t take us any further, I don’t want him sacked tomorrow but I’m starting to think it might be necessary to push us forwards.
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,548
    We can do better than Bowyer. Look at our squad, its excellent for league 1 and he still doesn’t know our best team/hasn’t for a long time.
    Paul Cook anyone?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Great Expectations. This is the first time Lee has had any pressure of expectation. How he performed under the last owner was astonishing. Now we expect to be going up. It’s never that easy at the best of times and I think LB is letting the pressure get to him. Hopefully he’ll come through it. 
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Now he’s blaming Maddison out of absolutely nowhere, he’s got to go. To say he’s lost it is an understatement. 
  • Bolderhumphreyreid
    Bolderhumphreyreid Posts: 2,553
    He’s just blamed Williams once again. As soon as the second goal happened I just knew he’d blame Williams.

    Forster- Caskey gave the ball away, Deji misplaced the clearance, Maatsen gave the ball away cheaply but no, he blames the guy who jumped out of a challenge (like many others did tonight) 45 seconds before the ball hit the net.

    If I was Williams I’d give up.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,740
    Oh dear. Said he doesn’t care if Maddison is injured. Not a good look. 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I am afraid it is now the saddest of sad situations.
    Bowyer isn't essentially 'bad' as in a Pardew way, or even a Fraeye way.
    But I can't see how he is going to be able to climb back.
    The magical reappearance of Famewo or Innes would do it, but looking at the actual players today I don't see a leader, a talisman or any spirit.
    We have punted on a lot of players this season, most especially Gilbey and Maddison, and also Watson, Gunter, and Bogle and dare I say it I would personally play Lapslie ahead of any of them, because he can't make us much worse, and if we are going to struggle anyway, have Lapslie who at least looks like he cares.
    As for Gunter ahead of Matthews...really? Williams is also no more than a luxury substitution when you're 2-0 up.
    Bowyer is a victim of the player assemblage situation, but he has to carry a lot of responsibility for that.
    The club mojo is well and truly missing at the moment, and the constraints point to a change of leadership if things are to turn around.
    The saddest of the sad.
  • Vfrf
    Vfrf Posts: 797


    Losing the squad.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Powelly on Sky talking well.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    “I don’t care”. He can’t be saying that about one of his players ffs 
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  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Maddison only played about 25 minutes or so!
  • ChiAddick
    ChiAddick Posts: 1,781
    That is a poor interview. Not sure Bowyer can be defended there.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    cafcfan1990 said:
    “I don’t care”. He can’t be saying that about one of his players ffs 
    There looks clearly an issue there and imo explains why he’s not been playing when fans have been screaming for it.

    None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes.

    I question whether Maddison was ever a Bowyer signing in the first place. If it was, it was a poor one as there is clearly not the right manager / player fit there 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Thomas is quiet tonight.
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,521
    Vfrf said:


    Losing the squad.
    Sounds like he should have taken a bit longer before going to get interviewed, you can’t be saying that about a player :/
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    AFKABartram said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    “I don’t care”. He can’t be saying that about one of his players ffs 
    There looks clearly an issue there and imo explains why he’s not been playing when fans have been screaming for it.

    None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes.

    I question whether Maddison was ever a Bowyer signing in the first place. If it was, it was a poor one as there is clearly not the right manager / player fit there 
    I think it was a case of picking the best out of a bad bunch who were left without a contract. Bowyer went for experience players which was probably a mistake. Need pace and aggression at this level. What we are badly missing 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    WSS said:
    He can’t be acting like this in public. Some will say refreshing, I say unprofessional.
    He's talking more s*** than Pardew and Karl Robinson recently.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    AFKABartram said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    “I don’t care”. He can’t be saying that about one of his players ffs 
    There looks clearly an issue there and imo explains why he’s not been playing when fans have been screaming for it.

    None of us knows what goes on behind the scenes.

    I question whether Maddison was ever a Bowyer signing in the first place. If it was, it was a poor one as there is clearly not the right manager / player fit there 
    I agree, it’s not been right from the start. Bows can only handle players that give 110% and he’s said as much tonight. But then only a handful apparently gave him that, that’s huge concern. 

    What Maddison did tonight was poor but didn’t deserve that reaction from Bowyer. Just like Williams at Shrewsbury it didn’t affect the tactics, performance or result. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    He's lost it. Sack him. 
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  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,234
    Lost the plot I’m afraid. Time for a change. 
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,277
    Really think he needs to send Jacko out for interviews when he's utterly fucked off, because he's not doing himself any favours when he goes off on one.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    Pains me to say it but it’s time for a change.
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052
    Unfortunately the bloke isn't very bright and once his 'get up and at 'em' approach doesn't work he hasn't got much else
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,866
    This doesn't sound like the Lee bowyer we all know.

    I think something's happened.

    I think he might be in a bad way on a personal level.

    Maybe Jackson should hold the line for a while.


  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Needs to go by this point. Can't see him turning it around with this squad. 

    Seems like he's fallen out with most of our best players. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    It's become a deeply abusive relationship. Everyone needs out 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    WSS said:
    He can’t be acting like this in public. Some will say refreshing, I say unprofessional.
    On this evidence, can we say he’s going to turn this round.  I don’t think so.  Too many outbursts over the last few weeks and it seems to be the norm.  

    Like I said on the post match views, I say with a heavy heart that I think it’s gone as far as it’s gonna go with Bowyer.  

    I can just see continued unrest and dour performances if he stays 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,977
    Those comments about Maddison are disgusting in public. Keep that shit in house. Once again, shifting the blame.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    The manager at Greenwich Macdonalds has just Tweeted "thank fuck we are closed due to Covid".
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