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England Cricket Summer 2020
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I think it's becoming a slightly more popular opinion. Calling for Willey to be in the side not so mind!Gravesend_Addick said:Unpopular opinion, but I think Jofra Archer is over rated & too inconsistent. I'd rather see Sam Curran or David Willey in the side0 -
Buttler is shite1
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Drop this goddamned clown ffs1
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The rest of the UK has glorious sunshine.
I would never schedule another Test Match for Manchester.0 -
They need to change the rules and guidance to umpires as well, so many time they've gone off when they could have continuedCovered End said:139-2
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Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.1
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Next stop. Ski Sunday from the Kalahari desert!Covered End said:139-2
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The rest of the UK has glorious sunshine.
I would never schedule another Test Match for Manchester.0 -
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.
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Abbas/Afridi/Shah is some real Mullally/Tufnell/Giddins stuff0
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There you go.if you bowl at the stumps you get wickets.Simple really.0
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He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.0 -
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Where's Denly when you need someone to hang about for a bit?3 -
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.0 -
Canters will confirm that I've been saying this for years. But, as I have also just said, I believe that it isn't just his loss of form with the bat.blackpool72 said:
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.0 -
Well if it's his reaction to being put behind Buttler I can't say as I blame him.Addick Addict said:
Canters will confirm that I've been saying this for years. But, as I have also just said, I believe that it isn't just his loss of form with the bat.blackpool72 said:
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.
It's like putting Pele behind Lisbie.2 -
Addick Addict said:12-3
Where's Denly when you need someone to hang about for a bit?
Quite heartening that after a terrible year in every respect, somethings are slowly getting back to normal.3 -
I thought before the match that the batting looked light. England got away with it against the Windies with their knackered seam bowlers and 2 off spinners, but this attack is at a completely different level0
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It's not so much that the attack is at a completely different level. I think Pakistan's batting is much likelier to put England under pressure, and their (very good) attack benefits from this0
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Anyway we did actually have a legitimate Captain Cretin moment today: opening after lunch with himself, for god's sake. Awful1
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Very good innings from Pope so far, love to see him get a big century tomorrow.
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This. I have defended root against @StigThundercock comments. But if he/she posts today having a go at root, I will give it a like!Leuth said:Anyway we did actually have a legitimate Captain Cretin moment today: opening after lunch with himself, for god's sake. Awful1 -
Their attack is at a completely level though, as the Windies pace bowlers were knackered by the 3rd Test! Gabriel was a shadow of the bowler he was in the 1st testLeuth said:It's not so much that the attack is at a completely different level. I think Pakistan's batting is much likelier to put England under pressure, and their (very good) attack benefits from this
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To be fair to Root and that shot he played, after watching Buttler for a day and a half, he presumably expected the keeper to drop it...Todds_right_hook said:
This. I have defended root against @StigThundercock comments. But if he/she posts today having a go at root, I will give it a like!Leuth said:Anyway we did actually have a legitimate Captain Cretin moment today: opening after lunch with himself, for god's sake. Awful2 -
We were poor after lunch on day 1 too. We've had a couple poor sessions in the field. Letting Shan and Shadab just milk singles and 2s for an hour without bringing even one man in on the 1 was madness. Small mistake but that partnership really took the game beyond us.Leuth said:Anyway we did actually have a legitimate Captain Cretin moment today: opening after lunch with himself, for god's sake. Awful1 -
Foakes has said in an interview before that he did struggle after being dropped (incredibly harshly) and it affected him. He had a poor season with the bat (averaged under 30 in a terrible surrey side) but was class as ever with the gloves. He took some time away from the game at the end of that season and came back much better. Stewart saying he is back to his best.Addick Addict said:
Canters will confirm that I've been saying this for years. But, as I have also just said, I believe that it isn't just his loss of form with the bat.blackpool72 said:
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.
Remember this is a player who in one season (2017 I think) averaged 126 in list A cricket. He is no slouch.1 -
Buttler's fumbles yesterday cost us at least 100 runscantersaddick said:
Foakes has said in an interview before that he did struggle after being dropped (incredibly harshly) and it affected him. He had a poor season with the bat (averaged under 30 in a terrible surrey side) but was class as ever with the gloves. He took some time away from the game at the end of that season and came back much better. Stewart saying he is back to his best.Addick Addict said:
Canters will confirm that I've been saying this for years. But, as I have also just said, I believe that it isn't just his loss of form with the bat.blackpool72 said:
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.
Remember this is a player who in one season (2017 I think) averaged 126 in list A cricket. He is no slouch.
Keeping to the spinners is what differentiates wicket keeper from bat stops. I'd be so pissed off if I was Bess, as those chances would have made a big difference to his confidence, and indeed place in the team
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Not saying any of what you say isn't true Canters. And I'm certainly not suggesting that he was wrong for doing so but he declined to be part of the Lions trip to Australia.cantersaddick said:
Foakes has said in an interview before that he did struggle after being dropped (incredibly harshly) and it affected him. He had a poor season with the bat (averaged under 30 in a terrible surrey side) but was class as ever with the gloves. He took some time away from the game at the end of that season and came back much better. Stewart saying he is back to his best.Addick Addict said:
Canters will confirm that I've been saying this for years. But, as I have also just said, I believe that it isn't just his loss of form with the bat.blackpool72 said:
Regardless of his form with the bathe is head and shoulders better with the gloves than Buttler ever will beAddick Addict said:
He dropped the easiest one of the lot today. I believe that there is a reason why Foakes isn't being picked and it has, actually, nothing to do with Buttler and Bairstow being regarded as better then him. More to do with the reaction of Foakes to being dropped and his loss of form with the bat.killerandflash said:
He's never been a great keeper, only in the team because he's a great white ball batsman, and England think he can do the same in red ball cricket...Alwaysneil said:Just been watching the highlights. What on earth is Buttler doing? Easy dropped catch and a terrible missed stumping.Can’t miss them mate.
Remember this is a player who in one season (2017 I think) averaged 126 in list A cricket. He is no slouch.
Whether anyone likes it or not, unfortunately, selectors at County and International level have their own ideas about what they want to see players do. Foakes was mentally knackered he says but, that being the case, how was he going to cope had he been picked for NZ and then Sri Lanka? Subsequently declining the Lions tour might be perceived in some quarters as sticking two fingers up at the England hierarchy - or at the very least that he wasn't in the best situation to resume England duties.
There is also a suggestion that he isn't great against the fastest short pitched bowling to which his response has been that "the pull is my strongest shot so to hear that from inside the camp surprised me". Again, turning down the opportunity to go and prove himself in that respect on fast, bouncy tracks in Australia cannot have done his cause too much good.
To force his way back into contention he has to now not only perform but also prove that he is prepared to do the hard yards and see adversity as a challenge - not turn his back on it. And whether anyone likes it or not it is difficult to pick a player who averaged 26.14 in the CC last season especially when we are asking him to bat at 6.
Cricket is a horrible game when you are not in a good place and very often the best thing to do is to get away from that environment. A loss of form only serves to create doubt in ones ability which is then further compounded by a perceived lack of confidence in your ability by decision makers. I have witnessed this at first hand and the only way to break the vicious circle is to get yourself out of that environment and start afresh. Followed hopefully by a run of form that makes it difficult for you not to be picked.2 -
On holiday so only seen a few brief brief highlights.......but dear me, Buttler needs to be dropped from wicket keeping duties forthwith. It's a specialist position & you need your best man there. Not someone who keeps wicket in limited overs matches because he can do damage in the latter stages with the bat.
By God he needs to come up with some runs in the morning or England are toast.1 -
Unfortunately for Foakes and for the reasons I've suggested above, I fear that England might select James Bracey if and when they opt to drop Buttler. Went on the Lions tour, opens the batting (not suggesting that he would do so for England) so used to facing the new ball and scored 85 and 22 in the England warm up game.
It is, perhaps, madness to suggest Foakes shouldn't be next in line. But being the best keeper isn't enough nowadays. Bob Taylor batted at 10. Our keeper currently bats at 6. The difference is a massive one - the difference between being 4 down and part of the engine room and 8 down desperately trying to keep bombs out!0 -
Buttler needs a double ton to make up for his shocking glove work. Chances of that happening, close to zero.1
