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  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    They can only perform against the opposition in front of them but good to see David Willey mop up the Irish with such aplomb. How many more chances is Bairstow gonna get?  Yet again missing a straight ball and by a distance.  He and James Vince find their own special ways to get out whatever the format.  Bairstow's lockdown not been as beneficial as Willey's.
    The poor opposition gives the selectors a couple more chances to see if JB can recover any form before proper opposition turns up in the form of Pakistan.  Hard to see why though.  Billings is just the first in a long line of wicket keepers who can actually bat.  A non-batting wk at number 2 is nuts.
    Expecting another rout tomorrow.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Denly was meant to have played yesterday but was injured, so Billings played instead

    If Denly is recovered, no way can they drop Billings now surely?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    killerandflash said:
    Denly was meant to have played yesterday but was injured, so Billings played instead

    If Denly is recovered, no way can they drop Billings now surely?
    No they cant - but they could drop Vince and Denly would then nicely slot in at 3
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Yeah but Vince is a better player so...why would they?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    edited July 2020
    Leuth said:
    Yeah but Vince is a better player so...why would they?
    Vince averages 24 after 14 ODIS with 1 50
    Denly averages 34 after 16 ODIS with 4 50s (albeit at a lower strike rate)

    Vince flatters to deceive, even more so than Denly! 29 now, so hardly a youngster either
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Leuth said:
    Yeah but Vince is a better player so...why would they?
    Vince looks a better player -until he plays one of those shots where he doesn't engage his brain. And he does it time after time after time as evidenced by the fact that he has just one 50 from 12 ODIs as opposed to Denly's four 50s from 13 ODIs.

    Neither will be in the line up when all the superstars come back but there comes a time when "looking good" isn't enough. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Denly is out of the series due to his back spasms. Liam Livingstone brought into the 14 man squad.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    StigThundercock said:
    They can only perform against the opposition in front of them but good to see David Willey mop up the Irish with such aplomb. How many more chances is Bairstow gonna get?  Yet again missing a straight ball and by a distance.  He and James Vince find their own special ways to get out whatever the format.  Bairstow's lockdown not been as beneficial as Willey's.
    The poor opposition gives the selectors a couple more chances to see if JB can recover any form before proper opposition turns up in the form of Pakistan.  Hard to see why though.  Billings is just the first in a long line of wicket keepers who can actually bat.  A non-batting wk at number 2 is nuts.
    Expecting another rout tomorrow.
    When you aren’t needlessly having pops at root leftvright and centre, you do type sense. To be fair to bairstow, his one day record isn’t that bad. If you copied and pasted that into a message about test cricket, spot on
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen Ali. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen Ali. 
    I'd give Banton a go personally. These are strange times and we are looking to explore options for the future.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen ownAli. 
    I'd give Banton a go personally. These are strange times and we are looking to explore options for the future.
    I don't agree that Bairstow should be replaced. But it's very constructive to suggest a replacement. Perhaps Banton could open with Bairstow, with Roy dropping to three.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Roy has to open in my opinion. 
    If Banton is to be included then he could bat at three. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen ownAli. 
    I'd give Banton a go personally. These are strange times and we are looking to explore options for the future.
    I don't agree that Bairstow should be replaced. But it's very constructive to suggest a replacement. Perhaps Banton could open with Bairstow, with Roy dropping to three.
    Bairstow and Roy are one of the best opening partnerships in the world. Why change it?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    killerandflash said:
    kentaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    It's pointless picking bowlers in home Tests to prepare for Australia in a year and a half unless the conditions match those in Australia as well, with flat bouncy pitches and little lateral movement
    Quick bowlers like archer and wood are needed for oz, and hit the deck hard bowlers like tremlett and Finn did well there. I’d say Ollie Robinson and Craig Overton are probably what the selectors see as their successors. 
    They are, but in the most recent Test conditions meant that Woakes was far more dangerous than Archer

    As long as we have the Duke ball and our pitches/overheads it's really difficult to prepare for down under.
    Chris Tremlett hadn't played a test match or even been in a squad for nearly 3 years before the 2010/11 ashes. I'm not suggesting we do that with Archer and Wood but we certainly dont need to be playing them together in conditions that dont suit them. 

    Keep them in the squad, keep them involved. Play them when conditions suit I.e. when the pitches wont do too much so we need someone to offer something different when the ball gets old. Wood did well in SA, you need someone with pace and bounce in India. This also succeeds in managing their workloads and preventing injuries which is important given they play all formats and IPL etc. 

    Then come Austraila they will be ready to be unleashed together and with Stone and Mahmood as viable other pace options. Woakes showed in SA that he is learning to adapt to conditions abroad and his pace was up too. Stokes will be effective in any conditions in the world! I'm confident (barring loads of injuries) we will not be the dreadful one dimensional attack we have been on previous tours.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen ownAli. 
    I'd give Banton a go personally. These are strange times and we are looking to explore options for the future.
    I don't agree that Bairstow should be replaced. But it's very constructive to suggest a replacement. Perhaps Banton could open with Bairstow, with Roy dropping to three.
    Bairstow and Roy are one of the best opening partnerships in the world. Why change it?
    Precisely my point. Although there are some (one) on here who considers Bairstow is a non-batting wicket keeper.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    Chizz said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    Chizz said:
    Table 1: England wicket-keeper batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) 

    1. J Bairstow 47.44 (at 110.33) 
    2. Buttler 41.32 (119.90) 
    3. Morgan 38.00 (102.70) 
    4. Fowler 34.00 (56.66) 
    5. Stewart 33.47 (70.06) 
    6. Davies 30.50 (105.62) 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    26. Billings 9.50 (79.16)  

    Table 2: England opening batsmen batting averages in ODIs (players in bold are in the current squad) ten completed innings 

    1. J Bairstow 49.52 
    2. Amiss 47.72 
    3. Pietersen 43.90 
    4. Bell 42.49 
    5. Roy 42.17 
    6. Knight 40.30 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    18. M Ali 31.33 
    ...
    ...
    ...
    29. Vince 24.09 

    Johnny Bairstow is England's best wicket-keeper ever in ODIs.  He's England's best opener ever in ODIs.  Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now. 
    Dennis Amiss is our second best ever opener in ODIs. Hard to see why he wouldn't be one of the first on any sensible person's team sheet right now.
    He's not in the current squad though.  If you're going to pick someone else to replace Bairstow as opener, from the current squad, the next best available would be Moeen ownAli. 
    I'd give Banton a go personally. These are strange times and we are looking to explore options for the future.
    I don't agree that Bairstow should be replaced. But it's very constructive to suggest a replacement. Perhaps Banton could open with Bairstow, with Roy dropping to three.
    Bairstow and Roy are one of the best opening partnerships in the world. Why change it?
    Precisely my point. Although there are some (one) on here who considers Bairstow is a non-batting wicket keeper.
    He is in test cricket. One of the best in the world in odi’s
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Sam Billings to the rescue again. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,736
    killerandflash said:
    Sam Billings to the rescue again. 
    Really pleased that he's grabbed his chances to show what he's capable of, with both hands.
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Did anyone see the cricket documentary a couple of days ago called The Edge? Thought it was brilliant. It chartered the rise and fall of the England team from getting bowled out for 50 against WI, to Flower taking over and England winning home and away ashes to become no. 1, then our subsequent fall to 5-0 in Australia, and the team falling to mental health issues (e.g. Finn, Trott, Panesar)
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Just noticed it was a repeat... surprised I missed it the first time. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Another great start from England at 50-3
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Addick Addict said:
    Another great start from England at 50-3
    Don't panic. 
    England will make over 250 and win.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    McBobbin said:
    Did anyone see the cricket documentary a couple of days ago called The Edge? Thought it was brilliant. It chartered the rise and fall of the England team from getting bowled out for 50 against WI, to Flower taking over and England winning home and away ashes to become no. 1, then our subsequent fall to 5-0 in Australia, and the team falling to mental health issues (e.g. Finn, Trott, Panesar)
    Yes, it explained Anderson's cracked rib.
    Boxing!
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    I’m not watching it but was vince caught at slip By any chance?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Todds_right_hook said:
    I’m not watching it but was vince caught at slip By any chance?
    Keeper 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Roy has been out 15 times in the first over of an ODI since the 2015 World Cup - the next worse is Guptill with 6

    Vince has only been out twice in his 16 ODI innings under 14 but has a top score of just 51 and averages 23

    The former seems to go hard too early whereas the latter appears to get in and then get out. Roy is a proven one day international with an average of 41 who just needs to be a bit more circumspect in the first couple of overs. Yes it is a power play but you can afford to give yourself half a dozen balls to have a look. Vince just isn't good enough and has now been given over 50 Test, ODI and T20 opportunities to do so.  
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    blackpool72 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    I’m not watching it but was vince caught at slip By any chance?
    Keeper 
    Glad I didn’t put money on it
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    blackpool72 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Another great start from England at 50-3
    Don't panic. 
    England will make over 250 and win.
    Be above 350

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