Wigan financial woes - up for sale again? p40

PragueAddick said:

stop_shouting said:

Whatever we think of the Wigan situation, rules are rules and the EFL aren’t going to NOT impose the points deduction because that would be unlawful and it would get overturned by any club that challenged it.

The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.

I can’t bring myself to like this post, despite the impeccable logic. Simply because, I dont trust the bastards. And I speak as someone who has been to their office, sat down and looked them in the eye. On that day the head honcho was Shaun Harvey. It seems to me that they have achieved the impossible since he left. They actually got worse.

Fair enough. A few people sceptical about the EFL imposing the deduction which I get. Have Wigan even suggested they would appeal a points deduction though? To my knowledge they haven’t, so therefore their silence suggests they won’t challenge the deduction, which the EFL have spelt out loud and clear.

They have a point. Compare cases. The Massives essentially tried a trick to allow them to overspend and break FFP regulations. For me, it's a clear case of spitting st other clubs, and direct relegation would be fine by me. 
At Charlton we had a couple of spivs who couldn't provide proof of funds and then painfully squabbles in public. We hope they are gone, and a points deduction would hit the new owner while the previous culprits escape Scot free. Charlton received no benefit from them, they emptied the bank and provoked a transfer embargo. The only club who suffered was us.
Wigan have a well run club, but a very suspect set of circumstances. The problem is the dodgy owner is still there. The EFL waved this through, despite the dodgy loan with its astronomical interest rates, which threaten to strangle the club. The owner needs to be punished, but the ones who are going to be shafted are the players, supporters and workers. The twelve points deduction is too arbitrary, whenbthe EFL themselves helped the situation to arise.

RedChaser said:

stop_shouting said:

PragueAddick said:

stop_shouting said:

Whatever we think of the Wigan situation, rules are rules and the EFL aren’t going to NOT impose the points deduction because that would be unlawful and it would get overturned by any club that challenged it.

The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.

I can’t bring myself to like this post, despite the impeccable logic. Simply because, I dont trust the bastards. And I speak as someone who has been to their office, sat down and looked them in the eye. On that day the head honcho was Shaun Harvey. It seems to me that they have achieved the impossible since he left. They actually got worse.

Fair enough. A few people sceptical about the EFL imposing the deduction which I get. Have Wigan even suggested they would appeal a points deduction though? To my knowledge they haven’t, so therefore their silence suggests they won’t challenge the deduction, which the EFL have spelt out loud and clear.

Their Supporters Group have sent a letter appealing the decision pending an investigation as per BBC North West news last night. It was also reported the former have raised £120k to cover the teams expenses over the coming matches. Thirty parties have shown an interest which in the Administrator's words has been whittled down to five serious potential owners, who have had to sign NDAs, rather than those that just want to examine the books.

I’m not sure a supporters group would have jurisdiction to make a formal appeal. Nixon has just said on twitter that there will be an appeal but an admin penalty has never been overturned.

The EFL approved Owner of the Club has put Wigan into administration. He hasn't gone cap in hand to the EFL to ask for help in the situation or warned them they may have to go into administration, he's just pushed the  button.

No matter what the circumstances, that results in an automatic 12 point deduction.

stop_shouting said:

RedChaser said:

stop_shouting said:

PragueAddick said:

stop_shouting said:

Whatever we think of the Wigan situation, rules are rules and the EFL aren’t going to NOT impose the points deduction because that would be unlawful and it would get overturned by any club that challenged it.

The game needs a massive restructuring, I think everyone outside of the EFL agrees that but for now, the rules remain and we are essentially 5 points clear of the bottom 3.

I can’t bring myself to like this post, despite the impeccable logic. Simply because, I dont trust the bastards. And I speak as someone who has been to their office, sat down and looked them in the eye. On that day the head honcho was Shaun Harvey. It seems to me that they have achieved the impossible since he left. They actually got worse.

Fair enough. A few people sceptical about the EFL imposing the deduction which I get. Have Wigan even suggested they would appeal a points deduction though? To my knowledge they haven’t, so therefore their silence suggests they won’t challenge the deduction, which the EFL have spelt out loud and clear.

Their Supporters Group have sent a letter appealing the decision pending an investigation as per BBC North West news last night. It was also reported the former have raised £120k to cover the teams expenses over the coming matches. Thirty parties have shown an interest which in the Administrator's words has been whittled down to five serious potential owners, who have had to sign NDAs, rather than those that just want to examine the books.

I’m not sure a supporters group would have jurisdiction to make a formal appeal. Nixon has just said on twitter that there will be an appeal but an admin penalty has never been overturned.

Nor am I and never said they did, I'm just putting it out there for info.

Starinnaddick said:

EricBanterna said:

You have to feel sorry for the fans, players and staff in this situation.

They have well and truly shafted and we thought we had it bad at the moment. 

Hopefully this recent Influx of piss taking owners allows for proper legislation to be brought in in to protect those associated with the club's. 

Lets hope this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back and the situation is properly resolved. 

Don't hold your breath mate, that was said after Bury not to mention Bolton then us and now Wigan.

Billericaydickie said:

Wigan are currently holding a press conference. The first thing said was the club are appealing the 12 point reduction that will be imposed for going into administration.

I can't see that they have a leg to stand on tbh.  Why even bother?

flyingkiwiDK said:

Billericaydickie said:

Wigan are currently holding a press conference. The first thing said was the club are appealing the 12 point reduction that will be imposed for going into administration.

I can't see that they have a leg to stand on tbh.  Why even bother?

Ask don't get, don't ask don't get they might as well.

Billericaydickie said:

Wigan are currently holding a press conference. The first thing said was the club are appealing the 12 point reduction that will be imposed for going into administration.

On what grounds can they appeal?

They're either in administration or they're not.

Billericaydickie said:

flyingkiwiDK said:

Billericaydickie said:

Wigan are currently holding a press conference. The first thing said was the club are appealing the 12 point reduction that will be imposed for going into administration.

I can't see that they have a leg to stand on tbh.  Why even bother?

The local MP is there and perhaps she is trying to score a few “Brownie” points with the town.

I think she's already very highly thought of in the town mate.

Billericaydickie said:

flyingkiwiDK said:

Billericaydickie said:

Wigan are currently holding a press conference. The first thing said was the club are appealing the 12 point reduction that will be imposed for going into administration.

I can't see that they have a leg to stand on tbh.  Why even bother?

The local MP is there and perhaps she is trying to score a few “Brownie” points with the town.

or maybe she is a Wigan supporter

Lisa Nandy has been all over this, hugely supportive of the club, lobbying the EFL, and going to the Secretary of State trying to get him to intervene. 

Hopefully messers Pennycook and Effort can see what a strong local MP can do to help their local club in it's hour of need. 

The overriding factor is WHO has committed the offence and any negative repercussions or publicity arising for the ruling body if punishment is meted.

We see this in all walks of life now not just corrupt, incompetent bodies like the football governing bodies.

It will not surprise me in the slightest to see any punishment for Wigan deferred until next season and Sheffield Wednesday will probably walk away scot free.

I feel sorry for Wigan fans and the way they have been treated. We have been treated in a similar way and we have recently feared going into administration. There have been multiple posts about wages being paid for instance. We realise that should we go into administration, for whatever reason, you get deducted 12 points. It isn't scientific, it is 12 points if you go into administration. The consequences of changing that going forwards and backwards is the reason the EFL will not even entertain it.

Wigan Council own a slice of the DW, and have reassured the Warriors that they'll be ok