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The influence of the EU on Britain.
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dont think corbyn needs to contribute at the moment. she's handling making herself look completely inept without his involvement. also seems nearly the whole house is against her.6
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I was briefing you lot it wasn't
Replace resilient with stubborn and it all fits into place! 0 -
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.4 -
Cameron/Johnson/May/Farage/ Rees-Mogg etc etc have to take the lions share of the blame but Corbyn's piss poor opposition (understandable when you know he's a hard core leaver) does him no credit and goes against what most labour voters want ie remain.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.1 -
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.
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Hmmmm I Love how sovereign, accountable and democratic this governement is.
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We are heading for another referendum and if May doesn't accept it there will be an election - it is unavoidable conclusion. Ultimately it is about numbers.0
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The final part of her plan is now in place...
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That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.2 -
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.2 - Sponsored links:
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There are not the numbers for a hard Brexit in the house - FACT. So it is May's deal - which will never be passed, an alternative e.g. Norway with Customs Union for instance, or another vote to break the impass. Ignoring this is reckless incompetence. I'm not sure the numbers are there, but you would hope a few Tories can see the farce this all is and try to fix it. Sadly, I think their jobs are more important to them.3
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Bloody Corbyn, triggering Brexit, lying to the public, campaigning hard for Brexit, f*cking up Brexit negotiations. It's all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.7 -
Sorry I must have missed all the times Corbyn has been on tv campaigning hard against Brexit.The Red Robin said:
Bloody Corbyn, triggering Brexit, lying to the public, campaigning hard for Brexit, f*cking up Brexit negotiations. It's all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.0 -
What's your point exactly?blackpool72 said:
Sorry I must have missed all the times Corbyn has been on tv campaigning hard against Brexit.The Red Robin said:
Bloody Corbyn, triggering Brexit, lying to the public, campaigning hard for Brexit, f*cking up Brexit negotiations. It's all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.0 -
Can you really not see how poor he has been in this process?The Red Robin said:
Bloody Corbyn, triggering Brexit, lying to the public, campaigning hard for Brexit, f*cking up Brexit negotiations. It's all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.
And before you say it, yes May has been total shit3 -
My point is that the Labour leader wants Brexit to happen.The Red Robin said:
What's your point exactly?blackpool72 said:
Sorry I must have missed all the times Corbyn has been on tv campaigning hard against Brexit.The Red Robin said:
Bloody Corbyn, triggering Brexit, lying to the public, campaigning hard for Brexit, f*cking up Brexit negotiations. It's all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Well as Corbyn supports Brexit we are in agreementThe Red Robin said:
That's almost as good as Brexit means Brexit. Almost.blackpool72 said:
Leaders lead.The Red Robin said:
Why would you step-in again when May is doing a nice job all on her own of f*cking this up? It's not a debate, it's PMQs - open to all MPs, not just Corbyn.blackpool72 said:
I never said it was his fault.The Red Robin said:
No, you're right, Brexit is all his fault.blackpool72 said:
Please explain Corbyn s contribution to the last 30 minutes of this debate.The Red Robin said:
You do have to admire that you will blame Corbyn for anything.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
I asked you a question if you can't answer it then fair enough.
If and when it does happen he is hoping that things go tits up allowing him to win an election and grab power.
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Quite.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
Surprised the Tories didn't throw the last election and let Labour and Corbyn carry the can. I suppose you could say Labour countered this by letting the unelectable Corbyn be their leading light.
Someone somewhere has played a blinder.0 -
If there was a GE now the two manifestos would be interesting.carly burn said:
Quite.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
Surprised the Tories didn't throw the last election and let Labour and Corbyn carry the can. I suppose you could say Labour countered this by letting the unelectable Corbyn be their leading light.
Someone somewhere has played a blinder.
What would Labour stand on. Anti-austerity for sure but what would their Brexit policy be?
What would the Tories stand on? Who would even be their leader? They can't give a viable brexit policy and more austerity isn't going to be a vote winner. I suppose they could try strong and stable but it would be laughed out of the country.1 -
When will Labour call for that vote of no confidence? It will be remarkable if they don’t given the situation but I’m not holding my breath. I think the next big move will be 48 letters dropping onto the 1922 committees desk. The hard brexiters can’t risk May getting something out of Brussels and getting her deal through.0
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Top man Andy! He's now being "corrected" by Julia Hartley-Brewer and slagged off by her trolls, so I just waded in to support him :-)The Red Robin said:
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Labour MP Owen Smith says that since the PM started speaking today the pound has dropped to its lowest rate since early 2017 and FTSE has fallen to the lowest for two years.
This uncertainty is caused "by this failed brinkmanship", he says, and it is "grossly irresponsible" for the government to say they do not know when the vote on the deal will be.
Theresa May says people repeatedly talking about a second referendum and a general election is bound to cause uncertainty.
The woman is clearly deranged.6 -
I mean this whole shambolic saga has just been summed with a day of absolute nonsense. I think play writes and the best comedic minds who ever lived would struggle to come up with a plot this bizarre.
God knows what the hell the EU must think. They’ve aleady said there will be no more amendments. Cameron went and failed in 2015. We’ve negotiated since 2016 and this is the best we can get it down to without getting the EU to compromise their 4 pillars/principles. She has until the 21st of Jan to put this to a parliamentary vote, then regardless it’s going to be voted on.
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The short answer is probably "after she loses the vote".ShootersHillGuru said:When will Labour call for that vote of no confidence? It will be remarkable if they don’t given the situation but I’m not holding my breath. I think the next big move will be 48 letters dropping onto the 1922 committees desk. The hard brexiters can’t risk May getting something out of Brussels and getting her deal through.
I think Labour's position is that they don't want to fail to topple her by calling the vote of confidence before she has lost the vote. (sorry for the double-triple negatives!) - MPs would be reluctant to decapitate the Government before putting the deal to the vote.
So, my guess is that they are waiting for the newly renegotiated deal (that both sides of the deal said could not be renegotiated) to be brought back and then voted down.
As for my guess as to "when"? Well, I have it on good authority that Theresa May will complete this before Christmas. But she hasn't yet decided how much Christmas is going to be delayed yet.2 -
I don't think anyone in either of the two main parties can be said to have played a 'blinder'. If either of them come out of this looking good, it is entirely down to idiots luck.carly burn said:
Quite.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
Surprised the Tories didn't throw the last election and let Labour and Corbyn carry the can. I suppose you could say Labour countered this by letting the unelectable Corbyn be their leading light.
Someone somewhere has played a blinder.0 -
The current political class in the UK is schckingly bad isn’t it?
When you yearn for the level of contribution and debate given by hesletine, Clarke, brown, Blair, Smith, Cook and Major you know you have issues.3 -
You're quite right.ken_shabby said:
I don't think anyone in either of the two main parties can be said to have played a 'blinder'. If either of them come out of this looking good, it is entirely down to idiots luck.carly burn said:
Quite.Henry Irving said:
She had a very difficult task with Brexit where there is almost no solution that a majority would back. It was a poison chalice.bobmunro said:
She is getting all she deserves. I cannot imagine there has ever been a worse PM and the history books will quite rightly not be kind to her.Rizzo said:
I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't such an utter disgrace.Addickted4life said:Man this is brutal for May, taking shots from all sides with hardly, if any support from her own benches.
But she took the job and has made a bad situation worse with her red lines, triggering A50 before she had any plan (aided and abetted by Corbyn on that) and threw away her majority in an unnecessary General Election.
Surprised the Tories didn't throw the last election and let Labour and Corbyn carry the can. I suppose you could say Labour countered this by letting the unelectable Corbyn be their leading light.
Someone somewhere has played a blinder.
Nobody in the history of politics could be that clever.
You think this is bad. Wait until they start having to pick the bones out of the aftermath!0 -
Chizz said:
The short answer is probably "after she loses the vote".ShootersHillGuru said:When will Labour call for that vote of no confidence? It will be remarkable if they don’t given the situation but I’m not holding my breath. I think the next big move will be 48 letters dropping onto the 1922 committees desk. The hard brexiters can’t risk May getting something out of Brussels and getting her deal through.
I think Labour's position is that they don't want to fail to topple her by calling the vote of confidence before she has lost the vote. (sorry for the double-triple negatives!) - MPs would be reluctant to decapitate the Government before putting the deal to the vote.
So, my guess is that they are waiting for the newly renegotiated deal (that both sides of the deal said could not be renegotiated) to be brought back and then voted down.
As for my guess as to "when"? Well, I have it on good authority that Theresa May will complete this before Christmas. But she hasn't yet decided how much Christmas is going to be delayed yet.0 -
If it wasn't for Gina Miller we would not even be having this vote. The whole country, at least the sane part, are indebted to her.18
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Agree about the much criticised Gina Miller. She did the country a good service, and so did the so called enemies of the people judges.3
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Somebody in the debate dissed the ROI as almost dictating EU policy.
No.
However the battle does look like one between Unionists v the EU. As we stand May has sacrificed the Unionists, which of course is highly ironic.1
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