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The influence of the EU on Britain.
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No need - no chance would a referendum without remain being an option get through ParliamentRedArmySE7 said:
Saw that, I’d spoil my ballot and write Remain on it.Rothko said:and Number 10 looking at a referendum where Remain is off the ballot according to the papers this morning.
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I haven't claimed "he's a really nice man".Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.5 -
What do you mean Corbyn isn't a nice man? Remember when he turned up to that chap's funeral with flowers?5
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but some members on here are claiming he wants to remain? His position on everything to do with brexit is laughably unclear.Chizz said:
If you can point out where I've pretended he's a really nice man, I'll happily post a correction.Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
I think you're falling into the trap of assuming someone supports Corbyn when, in fact, they're just tired of endless trolling by someone who seems utterly fixated with him.
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.0 -
Make no mistake, corbyn is just as culpable as may in this utter shit show.5
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Not fixated and not trolling thanks. Seems you are the one fixated on not allowing any criticism of him on this thread.Chizz said:
If you can point out where I've pretended he's a really nice man, I'll happily post a correction.Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
I think you're falling into the trap of assuming someone supports Corbyn when, in fact, they're just tired of endless trolling by someone who seems utterly fixated with him.
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.
But carry on throwing around the insults and so pretending that it doesn't matter that the holder of one of the major positions in British politics ie the so called "leader" of the opposition is lying about his stance on Brexit and is a friend to dictators and terrorists.1 -
Interesting, the government has added a statement on Article 50 to today’s running order in Parliament.
Could just be a “we recognise the judgement of the ECJ today but we don’t care as we’re leaving in March 2019” but could be something more exciting.0 -
She's going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. She's flipped1
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Surely this will weaken May's position.
Already seeing many political leaders criticising this and the EU insisting no new deals. This is just delaying the inevitable departure of May.
I reckon she'll resign by the weekend, if not today.
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corbyn was a leaver and May was a remainer.... not a shit show at allkentaddick said:Make no mistake, corbyn is just as culpable as may in this utter shit show.
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The PM does not get to pull a vote. The House will have to vote to pull a vote. I will oppose. We need to see this deal off once and for all.
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So - PM could lose the vote not to have a vote in case she loses that vote..?
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You got it.
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I guess my stance is that this al just shows how ridiculous the referendum was. To start with, it's laughable to imagine you can make such drastic changes to the UK's relations abroad with a simple majority - it should have been set at at least 66% or higher to ensure there was some level of agreement about what would occur.
Then there was the emptiness of the options. That idiot May has repeatedly claimed the UK has voted for a hard Brexit when there is nothing on the ballots to suggest anything of the sort - hard or soft. Even looking at the economists predictions about the results are so divided the idea of the electorate knowing what they were actually voting for, and doine so en masse was foolish. The Tories have failed to even mainatin any party unity to see this over the line, and Labour are really not a lot better, which is no surprise given how uselessly Corbyn has acted over this. Today we have hard Brexiteers aligning with remainers to shoot the current deal down, on another day leave will unite against remain, and after that remain and soft Brexit will unite against hard Brexit.
As an ex patriot who was denied the right to vote on this, there is a small part of me sniggering about the mess that has been made. And it's not just May. No one on the Conservative or Labour side could possibly unite their parties between hard, soft or no Brexit voters, so that Parliament is always going to be hopelessly split over this. There will be no winning here, only diferent ways to lose. And all those who have stood aside Cameron, farage etc) can now freely point fingers and blame whoever gets stuck with squaring this circle for not doing what some percentage of the Brexit crowd wanted. And did no one really see that coming from the start?
This whole shambles is good for filling dull moments at work, but as an exercise in political thought, the whole process will be taught as mandatory what NOT to do in future political classes. Unintelligence 101.4 -
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As a proud Brexiteer, not only did I know everything I needed to know about voting to leave, I also knew everything I needed to know about voting Tory:CharltonMadrid said:Remember when we used to laugh at countries like Italy for having such shambolic governments? This whole farce is ruinous for the UK's reputation.
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cue jeremy corbyn propping up this tory government... again.Henry Irving said:
I'm sure wednesday's PMQ's will be about rubbish collections now.4 -
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I'm not disallowing criticism of Corbyn or of any other figure important to the issue of Brexit. I'm not in a position to do so.Henry Irving said:
Not fixated and not trolling thanks. Seems you are the one fixated on not allowing any criticism of him on this thread.Chizz said:
If you can point out where I've pretended he's a really nice man, I'll happily post a correction.Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
I think you're falling into the trap of assuming someone supports Corbyn when, in fact, they're just tired of endless trolling by someone who seems utterly fixated with him.
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.
But carry on throwing around the insults and so pretending that it doesn't matter that the holder of one of the major positions in British politics ie the so called "leader" of the opposition is lying about his stance on Brexit and is a friend to dictators and terrorists.
But it would be great if your non-Brexit related Corbyn tropes could be kept to other threads where they're easier to ignore. Pretty please.4 -
irish government have come out and said that will be impossible, the current deal took a year and a half to agree on and all states agree to it.Rothko said:She's going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. She's flipped
The only way out for the tories is another referendum. Otherwise they're risking a general election.6 - Sponsored links:
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All I want is a PeoplesVote and for Theresa May to campaign for Leave.
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I'd like to see Gove ,Johnson, chumley- Warner & Farage head over to Brussels to negotiate this wonder deal that is just waiting to be grabbed. They've been pushing this all along.
Don't rate May as much of a negotiator. Let's see what these air heads come back with. Then maybe this whole sorry tale can be put back in its box.4 -
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/10/jeremy-corbyn-europe-socialists-brexit
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See @Chizz The Magic Granddad IS part of the the Brexit debate, it's just that he doesn't want to be because he's a leaver. A hard core leaver at that.0 -
That’s unfair. I think you’ll find the flowers were present at the funeral but they didn’t participate.Fiiish said:What do you mean Corbyn isn't a nice man? Remember when he turned up to that chap's funeral with flowers?
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Can we enjoy May's government imploding in real time for one second without some Corbyn sideline? Cheers and pass the popcorn10
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"ignore" being what you and the cult want to do.Chizz said:
I'm not disallowing criticism of Corbyn or of any other figure important to the issue of Brexit. I'm not in a position to do so.Henry Irving said:
Not fixated and not trolling thanks. Seems you are the one fixated on not allowing any criticism of him on this thread.Chizz said:
If you can point out where I've pretended he's a really nice man, I'll happily post a correction.Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
I think you're falling into the trap of assuming someone supports Corbyn when, in fact, they're just tired of endless trolling by someone who seems utterly fixated with him.
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.
But carry on throwing around the insults and so pretending that it doesn't matter that the holder of one of the major positions in British politics ie the so called "leader" of the opposition is lying about his stance on Brexit and is a friend to dictators and terrorists.
But it would be great if your non-Brexit related Corbyn tropes could be kept to other threads where they're easier to ignore. Pretty please.
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Can we enjoy brexit self destructing and both main party leaders signing their resignation letters in real time without members posting russian propaganda? Cheers and thanks.Leuth said:Can we enjoy May's government imploding in real time for one second without some Corbyn sideline? Cheers and pass the popcorn
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Henry Irving said:
Not fixated and not trolling thanks. Seems you are the one fixated on not allowing any criticism of him on this thread.Chizz said:
If you can point out where I've pretended he's a really nice man, I'll happily post a correction.Henry Irving said:
Yep, that's me. Consistently calling our Corbyn on his pro-Brexit stance and his support for dictators and terrorists. And it ain't going to stop so carry on ignoring the problem and pretending he's really a nice man who is going to stop Brexit and is going to stop the rampant antisemitism in the labour party.Chizz said:
I guess the same people that thought Henry would be on here in a minute, mentioning Corbyn and not Brexit. Again.Henry Irving said:
Who would have thought that Milne, the brains behind the idiot Corbyn, was dodgy or that Leuth is so desperate to be right that he's wrong again.kentaddick said:
Just to pick this back up, it seems this was a result of a russian hack, an interesting thread from the incredible Carole CadwalladrLeuth said:
I think you're falling into the trap of assuming someone supports Corbyn when, in fact, they're just tired of endless trolling by someone who seems utterly fixated with him.
Corbyn doesn't support May's current version of Brexit. That's a good thing. But he's presenting an unclear "different" version. That's a bad thing. That's about all that's important about him in particular with respect to Brexit.
But carry on throwing around the insults and so pretending that it doesn't matter that the holder of one of the major positions in British politics ie the so called "leader" of the opposition is lying about his stance on Brexit and is a friend to dictators and terrorists.
Political leaders of all persuasions have some dodgy ‘friends’
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It's like a teenager putting off tidying their shit tip of a bedroom. Eventually they have to concede defeat and do it. (There is only so much you can hide under your bed and hope it will go away)
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