England Cricket - Summer of 2018

I know this is going to sound a bit dim (and I have watched cricket since the late 70's) but whats the difference between "red ball cricket & "white ball" cricket ........in the context of Rashid ?? He has been the best spinner by miles over the past year or so & I didn't think Bess did anthing with the ball earlier on the summer (his batting is another matter) & there are no other decent spinners on the county circuit.

Is it that he hasn't played any red ball cricket & therefore rusty.......surely bowling spin is the same whatever the format ??

Is it field placings/restrictions ?? I thought it would be better as you can have more men round the bat or out deep to catch to miscued sweep or slog.

Leuth said:

Curran selected ahead of Porter. I think the Indians will maul him tbh.

Rashid ahead of Ali another big call. That one is a wait and see, but I'm going with maul again.

If England bat first I can see them scoring big and Broad having fun, but if India bat first I can see it getting ugly very quickly for England's attack

I think it is more of a case that Broad and Anderson selected ahead of Porter, but with 5 tests in 6 weeks I imagine there will be a bit of rotation at some stage.

Aggers says the pitch is looking ridiculously green considering the weather of the past two months.

golfaddick said:

I know this is going to sound a bit dim (and I have watched cricket since the late 70's) but whats the difference between "red ball cricket & "white ball" cricket ........in the context of Rashid ?? He has been the best spinner by miles over the past year or so & I didn't think Bess did anthing with the ball earlier on the summer (his batting is another matter) & there are no other decent spinners on the county circuit.

Is it that he hasn't played any red ball cricket & therefore rusty.......surely bowling spin is the same whatever the format ??

Is it field placings/restrictions ?? I thought it would be better as you can have more men round the bat or out deep to catch to miscued sweep or slog.

I and my mates agree. We were having the same convo at the weekends BBQ.
If Rashid is the best spinner, then he's the best spinner and we too don't get all this white ball red ball nonsense.

It's been fairly widely publicised they've been watering the pitch heavily throughout the warm period to keep it from becoming an Indian style pitch. However it's supposed to get hot this week and the pitch could dry out very quickly.

As I've said before I don't think Sam is ready for the test side (one day side is another matter) but they are backing him as he is left arm and I think they want him as the all rounder for the second test.

golfaddick said:

I know this is going to sound a bit dim (and I have watched cricket since the late 70's) but whats the difference between "red ball cricket & "white ball" cricket ........in the context of Rashid ?? He has been the best spinner by miles over the past year or so & I didn't think Bess did anthing with the ball earlier on the summer (his batting is another matter) & there are no other decent spinners on the county circuit.

Is it that he hasn't played any red ball cricket & therefore rusty.......surely bowling spin is the same whatever the format ??

Is it field placings/restrictions ?? I thought it would be better as you can have more men round the bat or out deep to catch to miscued sweep or slog.

In white ball cricket, the batsmen have to score runs all the time, therefore they will attack the spinner with aggressive shots, and give chances. The white ball stays harder too as it's used less

In red ball cricket, the batsmen can play more defensively, thus you have to be patient and sometimes winkle batsmen out, as you won't get as many cheap wickets. You bowl longer spells too, 4 overs max in T20 or 10 overs max in 50 over cricket is nothing, you might bowl 20 overs with a soft ball

Rashid can adapt, but it doesn't help that he hasn't played red ball cricket for so long

killerandflash said:

golfaddick said:

I know this is going to sound a bit dim (and I have watched cricket since the late 70's) but whats the difference between "red ball cricket & "white ball" cricket ........in the context of Rashid ?? He has been the best spinner by miles over the past year or so & I didn't think Bess did anthing with the ball earlier on the summer (his batting is another matter) & there are no other decent spinners on the county circuit.

Is it that he hasn't played any red ball cricket & therefore rusty.......surely bowling spin is the same whatever the format ??

Is it field placings/restrictions ?? I thought it would be better as you can have more men round the bat or out deep to catch to miscued sweep or slog.

In white ball cricket, the batsmen have to score runs all the time, therefore they will attack the spinner with aggressive shots, and give chances. The white ball stays harder too as it's used less

In red ball cricket, the batsmen can play more defensively, thus you have to be patient and sometimes winkle batsmen out, as you won't get as many cheap wickets. You bowl longer spells too, 4 overs max in T20 or 10 overs max in 50 over cricket is nothing, you might bowl 20 overs with a soft ball

Rashid can adapt, but it doesn't help that he hasn't played red ball cricket for so long

Don't bowl him for long spells then. If I recall in the ODI's he was bowling his 10 overs in 1 spell anyway.

Can't see how not playing red ball cricket for a year is going to be a problem......you don't forget how to bowl & he's played ODI's & 20/20 for club & county this season so not exactly rusty is he ?

killerandflash said:

I'm on a train up to Birmingham, tickets are pretty cheap and haven't sold that quickly

Yes and starting on a Wednesday so the 4th and 5th day are in a weekend and there is no guarantee of a full days cricket on either (based on recent history if tests lasting to the end of the 3th day) isn't exactly gonna help sales.

Start it on a Thursday and then advance sales for Saturday and Sunday will be much better.

Even more important to get the basics right when you are making a whole song and dance about it being the 1000th test.

killerandflash said:

Warks will be massively pissed off if the game doesn't go until Saturday, it would cost them fortune in refunds and lost beer money.

Especially as the fancy dress Saturday is a highlight of many people's cricket calendar, and put at risk due to the scheduling

Agree. Which makes it even more stupid not starting on Thursday. I suspect there will be play on Saturday but less than half a day. The average test match over the last year or so has had less than a sessions play on day 4.

Cool bowled by a beauty from Ashwin. Jennings not looking convincing

Leuth said:

India have fucked this not picking Kuldeep

Or jadeja

Todds_right_hook said:

johnnybev1987 said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Has Rashid played a test in this country before?

Bit racist

I know youve put a winky face but no, not really. I’m struggling to see any link to rasism in my question! He has played tests for England in Dubai and India where two spinners have played but I don’t remember him playing a test in this country before. therefore a valid and sensible question with no link to rasism what so ever

It's his debut Test in England!

162-3 at tea. 54 overs.

awful over rate. Had the spinner bowling too. I believe they can play to 6.30 but at that rate they coukd still be 2 or 3 overs short.

Time for penalties to be brought in & strict ones too. 10 runs added to Englands score for every over short at close of play. Another 20 or 30 runs added to our score may make them quicken up a bit.